Some more from tge tool box

[painterx7]

Here are some artifacts tell me what you think

 

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[monsterrack]

They must have used that area for a long time a lot of worked quarry stuff, cool finds

 

[rock]

The first one I call a chopper. I dont know if that is what they actually are but I find them also. Usually only worked on one side and smooth or flat on the other for the hand. I like the buffalo one and the last one. Is the buffalo one worked along the edges like a scraper?

 

[painterx7]

Yes the buffalo one is worked like a hand held hollowed gouge type tool the pictures aren't in order there are only 4 artifacts 2 pieces have 3 pics and 2 have one

 

[painterx7]

This one is ground or hammered for hafting this is the first piece

 

[painterx7]

Thanks for the comments I know the tools aren't everyone's favorite but I like them haha

 

[rock]

End scraper? I find some crude ones at times.

 

[painterx7]

It's kinda thick might b a Hafted gouge tool it has a curved blade

 

[GatorBoy]

Alot of things are not finished and are only roughed out pieces for finishing at a later date or even given up on for some reason like a big hinge in a bad spot..ect....
What looks like edges put on pieces are often only there because that's what it looks like after removing cortex all the way around a picee.
Even pressure flaking or very small percussion flaking is often done around a piece to raise platforms for removing thinning flakes.
You'll drive yourself mad trying to type everything a finished piece anywhere near a quarry.
Biface.. is about as close as you'll get for many of them.
Nice finds just the same.
I strongly recommend watching someone knapp stone from natural spalls.
Look up Mike Holloway on YouTube ..he is very good and takes time to explain as he goes.
That big "chopper" just looks like a biface blank that a big piece broke off while thinning as well as a huge hinge stack on what wound have been the base or stem and basically ruined what was likely going to be a good size projectile point or blade.
Its takes a large piece to start out with to end up with a nice point.

 

[GatorBoy]

 

[painterx7]

That piece was intentionally broke and it was going to b a huge one if your figures are correct that first stage is the same size as the last stage

 

[GatorBoy]

Just trying to offer what I know.
Intentionally broke?
How do you make that assessment?
The Pieces I showed didn't lose much width or length.. because you don't lose alot once in the thinning process when you're good.
They are also not the same piece of stone.. they are actual artifacts found the way they are.
They were only examples I found on the internet.. what I tried to explain was the big picture.
It helps alot when you've watched it done from beginning to end many times.

 

[painterx7]

This is a quarried piece preform for a large blade,point preform , and a large hand axe with cortex still attached the last one is a larger point preform

 

[GatorBoy]

Look man I like you.. I was only trying to help.
A very short time ago you were asking a lot of questions.. now apparently you're explaining everything.. I was only offering my opinion based on information I've gathered over the years.
Happy hunting
Just look up point preform,quarry blank,early stage biface.... anywhere and you will see what I'm saying.
I see a nice scraper in those last photos..that's it.
The piece your calling a hand axe is the same piece as above..a broken quarry blank...it would tear your hand to shreds if you tried to use that as an axe by hand.
I have to say...it sure is easier just to say "nice find" and leave it at that.

 

[painterx7]

And I appreciate all your information we don't always have to agree on each others opinions to like one another haha I was just stating that the first stage was within a few centimeters of the same size as the finish product ...and in no way am I saying I'm right it was just a thought so keep your opinions coming I enjoy the information

 

[rock]

Alot of things are not finished and are only roughed out pieces for finishing at a later date or even given up on for some reason like a big hinge in a bad spot..ect....
What looks like edges put on pieces are often only there because that's what it looks like after removing cortex all the way around a picee.
Even pressure flaking or very small percussion flaking is often done around a piece to raise platforms for removing thinning flakes.
You'll drive yourself mad trying to type everything a finished piece anywhere near a quarry.
Biface.. is about as close as you'll get for many of them.
Nice finds just the same.
I strongly recommend watching someone knapp stone from natural spalls.
Look up Mike Holloway on YouTube ..he is very good and takes time to explain as he goes.
That big "chopper" just looks like a biface blank that a big piece broke off while thinning as well as a huge hinge stack on what wound have been the base or stem and basically ruined what was likely going to be a good size projectile point or blade.
Its takes a large piece to start out with to end up with a nice point.

I call these preforms due to the cobble they are made from isnt much bigger than these. Most of the cortex has been removed but then there is no other work done on the stone. I think it is possible they actually prepared the stone and then took it back to camp to make something as needed. JMO

 

[NC field hunter]

This is a quarried piece preform for a large blade,point preform , and a large hand axe with cortex still attached the last one is a larger point preform

Painter, we must have the same books. Based on my studies, you are correct. The blank is worked to a rounded smooth edge. Not one that will cut, puncture, or cause any bodily harm during travels. Your other piece is what I've seen listed as a hand axe. Gator, I'm sure you have read the same. I just think my wording is off a little. A blank is not supposed to have an edge that can be used as a tool. Based on what I have read.

 

[GatorBoy]

OK.. mid stage biface.
Just how do you think you're going to use it as an axe holding it with your hand if its too sharp to be a blank or preform?
I hope no one takes this the wrong way.. but I think it would help alot of people alot if they familiarize themselves with knapping.
I wouldn't look for advice about rebuilding an engine from someone who's never changed a spark plug.
Everyone's free to have their own beliefs and studies.. good luck guys.

 

[GatorBoy]

I call these preforms due to the cobble they are made from isnt much bigger than these. Most of the cortex has been removed but then there is no other work done on the stone. I think it is possible they actually prepared the stone and then took it back to camp to make something as needed. JMO

They did rock.
I've collected from several sites that were not plowed fields or scattered across stream beds or river banks.
You get to see the entire assemblage like that..and can see all the stages of the process.

 

[NC field hunter]

OK.. mid stage biface.
Just how do you think you're going to use it as an axe holding it with your hand if its too sharp to be a blank or preform?
I hope no one takes this the wrong way.. but I think it would help alot of people alot if they familiarize themselves with knapping.
I wouldn't look for advice about rebuilding an engine from someone who's never changed a spark plug.
Everyone's free to have their own beliefs and studies.. good luck guys.

Scratch what I said. Lol! My bad! I thought these were two separate pieces. Carry on!