So bought this at auction now I am wondering if fake

[Dustinc24]

I bought this bird stone at auction I'm wondering if it's a fake

 

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[Tesorodeoro]

That auction site sure has a lot of “Native American Art”.

Here is an example…does the one pictured in the bottom look like the one in the upper photo? I don’t think so. Clearly not the same object.

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

That auction site sure has a lot of “Native American Art”.

Here is an example…does the one pictured in the bottom look like the one in the upper photo? I don’t think so. Clearly not the same object.

OP's post at top is example of popeye birdstone, one you posted is birdstone. The Popeye was a rarer variation of the birdstone.

 

[dognose]

Mike Nichols Auction house sales many reproductions, therefore I would be suspicious of this item.

I suspected this when viewing the item.

https://hibid.com/catalog/581205/arrowheads-and-coins-auction-by-mike-nichols

 

[Rockdog]

I'm definitely no expert but I do know that NAs did use granite for effigies though not as common as banded slate or soap stone type materials because it was hard to work.. The granite this is made from looks like St Albans granite from South Carolina. My issue with it is that it looks too clean and perfect. No patina even in the holes. Unusual for sure. I agree with the suggestion to take it to a show and have some experts examine it.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

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OP's post at top is example of popeye birdstone, one you posted is birdstone. The Popeye was a rarer variation of the birdstone.

Thanks for that info.
My point was that in the example that I showed (from the same auction site) , that the COA photo (from the same authenticator) does not appear to match the object being sold. That would be an indication of fraud.

Additionally other NA art pieces on that auction site that also had a COA from Mathews include an automatically generated “number of items sold” on the website. .
One said “3 sold”. How could you sell three of a one of a kind ancient artifact? Another red flag for me.

 

[newnan man]

Pipes, gorgets, bannerstones, birds stones, Clovis & Dovetail points are all highly faked. Most sold, especially on Ebay come with COA's that are not worth the paper they are printed on.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Pipes, gorgets, bannerstones, birds tones, Clovis & Dovetail points are all highly faked. Most sold, especially on Ebay come with COA's that are not worth the paper they are printed on.

They had me at “cloud maker”

 

[unclemac]

we here pretty much avoid NA artifact auctions. If you want real and for true stuff... go to ebay and buy field grade items.... I know how silly that sounds but there are a lot of legit dealers on ebay. also, of course... a lot of bad apples.... which is why I say "field grade".