Shipwrecks off Washington Oaks, St Johns Co. Fl ?

[vulcan007]

Dear Spock,

I will be MDing THIS coming weekend at Washington Oaks on the Beach...Come join me. I should be there no later than 1 noon only waiting for the sun to warm things up.

HH

Captain! Striking a fellow officer is a court-martial offense.

Live long and prosper!

V

 

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[ivan salis]

clay co had a moron and idiot issue with those two retards and their illegal digging near a graveyard --their stupidity caused more harm to the hobby than two humans should be allowed to do -- hopefully they get long jail terms

 

[FISHEYE]

The wrecks there have already been worked over 30 years ago.I know who worked it.They got alot of cannons and gold and silver.As i said in another post.

 

[Cappy Z.]

The wrecks there have already been worked over 30 years ago.I know who worked it.They got alot of cannons and gold and silver.As i said in another post.

This is great. Then you won't mind sharing the historical data and the story.

 

[billinstuart]

So Cappy..any problems detecting at Washington Oaks?

 

[Cappy Z.]

So Cappy..any problems detecting at Washington Oaks?

yep! You've heard of Pavlov's dogs.....now we have Pavlov's Police.....

"Okay okay settle down officer...good cop. Sit pretty...want a donut?...Maybe next time....."

 

[Hangingfor8]

That stinks....

 

[vulcan007]

Smart move!

You would likely find nothing of value over there and could lose yer detector!

V

 

[Cappy Z.]

Smart move!

You would likely find nothing of value over there and could lose yer detector!

V

Dearest Spock and Jr. James Bond, (vulcan007)

Please at least once in awhile offer positive upbeat 'fever' type comments...instead of being a busy body. Thanks ahead of time.

 

[billinstuart]

Lemme guess. The state level archaeologists, who can't tell a bridge timber from a ships keel, have put the fear of God in the Keystone Kops at the parks, and made them feel that they are protecting history from those who pay their salaries

Just why have they been able to seal state owned documents indicating locations of public property from the public?

You know, as state employees, they cannot legally restrict you from disclosing certain information, and must allow you unfettered access to files and information that is not exempted from public access. You, as a citizen, can literally go through file cabinets of state or county employees. You don't have to have a reason, you don't have to give your name, you don't have to have permission. If the public employee interferes, you can sue them. These right to access suits are supposed to move to the top of the court docket automatically.

Florida has very powerful public access laws.

 

[Sorroque]

Yes but they can in turn use the Smithsonian institution law to simply walk into your house and confiscate anything they think may be a museum antiquity, remember that law given by congress to the Smithsonian?
Hmmm.
Go to the park and metal detect all day. Looking for that "lost wedding band", once you have enough gold jewelry and are satisfied with your days finds, kindly thank the park ranger on the way out, " Found the wedding band. Thank you for allowing me to search for it".
cya

 

[vulcan007]

Hey CappyZ I want to hunt Washington Oaks SP beach as much as you do! Last time, I checked with the park manager they said it was not allowed anymore on the beach by the state park!

This is not being negative, I am telling you the truth! If you want to take your chances anyway I don't care! I was just giving you information to avoid a problem with the park authorities.

Let us know if you go and what happens!

V

 

[Cappy Z.]

Dear Mr. Zossima,

Thank you for your interest in Florida State Parks.

Florida Administrative Code, Chapter 62D-2 which provides rules and regulations for Florida State Parks does not specifically address the use of metal detectors; however it prohibits any ground disturbing activity which is a product of metal detecting. As a result, guidelines for the use of metal detectors as stated in the Florida State Parks Operations Manual are as follows:

1. Due to the tidal influence in coastal areas, the use of metal detecting devices are allowed in coastal parks, in a zone between the waterline and the toe of the dune, as determined by the Park Manager, except at archaeological sites within the zone designated by the Division of Historical Resources (DHR) or the Park Manager.

2. For the recovery of lost personal items that are specifically identified by their owner as being lost in a specific area of a park. The owner of lost property or his representative should contact the park manager who will arrange a time for the search to be conducted in the presence of a park staff member. During these searches, only the item sought may be kept by the owner or his representative.

Any dug hole(s) associated with the use of a metal detector must be refilled to the contour of pre-dig conditions using excavated material.

You should get together with the park staff to ensure you are both on the same page as far as the boundaries for where you can metal detect and the areas to stay away from. This will help to alleviate misunderstandings as far as interpretation of the rule.

Sincerely,
Leylani Velez
Information Specialist
850-245-2157
www.floridastateparks.org

 

[billinstuart]

Interesting, Cappy. How do you determine the "archaeological sites" accurately? I'll bet yer donut eater will tell you the whole thing is such a site.

Is there a difference between Park RANGER and Park MANAGER? If so, only the "MANAGER" can make that determination.

Isn't it fun to have to be confrontational with those whose salaries we pay to work for US

 

[FISHEYE]

"it prohibits any ground disturbing activity"

So what would digging in the sand to build a sand castle be called?
Or digging in the sand to find sand fleas for fishing?
Or the next big storm that washes away 1 foot to 50 feet of the beach?

 

[ivan salis]

prohibits "ground disturbing ACTIVITY WHICH IS A PRODUCT OF METAL DETECTING--- NOTHING IS SAID OF "GROUND DISTURBING ACTIVITY" WHICH IS NOT PRODUCT OF NETAL DETECTING * --SO WE IN EFFECT ARE BEING SINGLED OUT

 

[FISHEYE]

Thats discrimination!The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the United States Constitution limit the power of the federal and state governments to discriminate. The Fifth amendment has an explicit requirement that the federal government not deprive individuals of "life, liberty, or property," without due process of the law.The Fourteenth Amendment explicitly prohibits states from violating an individual's rights to due process and equal protection.The Constitution does not directly constrain discrimination in the private sector, but the private sector has become subject to a growing body of federal and state statutes.

Its time for a class action discrimination lawsuit.

 

[Cappy Z.]

Now we just need to find a discriminating attorney......

 

[ivan salis]

its digging while detecting thats in effect barred * according to the wording --" prohibits ground disturbing activity which is a PRODUCT of metal detecting "-- nothing is said about ground disturbing activity which is NOT a product of metal detecting -- thus legally speaking we're being singled out because we METAL DETECT and dig holes ---- (a) metal detecting is legal so long as you do not dig (disturb the ground)-- (b) digging holes is legal, so long as your not detecting --but (c) detecting and digging holes at the same time is illegal.

grubbermint double speak at its best.

so metal detect --mark the spots and later return to recover em with out your detector --

the real reason these rules are set up like this are to allow the state complete control --so long as it the state thinks that theres no "real treasure" at a state park beach and provided the park managers not a jerk--it will allow folks to hunt the beaches (waterline to dune foot) in search of "modern jewelry lost and coin"s--- but let a bit of real treasure --like a gold bar or a bunch of silver coins pop up --and see how fast the "park manager" shuts off metal detecting and beach comber removial of items --no detecting and no taking ANYTHING from the beach.
the northern part of little talbot island and the south end of amelia island are proof of this.

 

[FISHEYE]

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