Shadows

charliejr said:
First off I would like to apologize to Kan and Springfield, my contact at the NMAS said the area there is south-west New Mexico had been recently vandalized. Also, they said the glyphs were not Navajo as I first determined but did not explain why. (Further contact said they contacted someone who had knowledge of the glyphs.)

What I have found is that there seem to be inter-related disputes between some tribes that claim their people made some of the glyphs. And, there is still much debate over how much the tribes traveled and interacted.

Also, I have had no help from my own archeological society here about determining monuments in a state park related to migrations of people from Mexico and further south. Huge pre-columbian monuments similar to the Mayan and Aztec with astrological connotations.

You know, I feel ever stuck between archeologists and treasure hunters. All sides have great information, but it is beyond impossible to bring both sides to the table to figure anything out. I feel damned if I do and damned if I don't.

They also said there were no Spanish in the area til some time after the glyphs were made. I am not sure I believe this because of other unconfirmed Spanish/Spanish Jesuit signs from the area (and possibly middle-eastern pre-arabic glyphs) They had no comments on my theory about the astrological references, but I am awaiting another tribal member to confirm this.

I apologize, but I do feel strongly about some things, and am not beyond apologizing.

(Further contact said something I hope archeologists and treasure hunters alike keep in mind, "The more these sites are visited, the more they become degraded, and over time become damaged beyond repair.")

That last statement made me sad because there is a great truth in it. I feel I might not ever get to see these sacred places because by the time I get there, they will be destroyed.

I am sincerely sorry and apologetic to all; I think I am going to be severely depressed.

"Oh Almighty Great Spirit, has my heart not been pure in pursuit of the truth? Why am I now so sad?"
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don't be sad , or depressed .
apology noted and accepted .
besides was never my intent to cause you grief .
 

trackers,
the dot at the end of a line means "the object" of inquiry
follow the compass heading, try to determine the Distance
if you can if not just keep walking until you find a mark or
sign, look for a small heart shadow or small bird shadow.
be aware of the correct time of day and good luck
take lots of pics
oro mandate
rangler
 

STEVE,
THE PICTURE IN YOUR FIRST POST THAT YOU NAMED ZIGZAG.... IS THAT FOR THE SHADOW
NEAR THE CENTER OF THE PIC, OR IS IT FOR THE SHADOW AT THE FAR LEFT??

THE SHADOW AT THE FAR LEFT LOOKS A LOT LIKE THE HAPPY MAN PIC, TO ME.
I THINK IT HAS THE SAME NUMBER OF ZIGS AND ZAGS.

I TRIED TO COPY AND PASTE THEM TO MY PAINT PROGRAM AND PLACE THEM SIDE BY SIDE,
BUT I FAILED TO GET IT DONE CORRECTLY. SOME TIMES I'M NOT THE SHARPEST PICK IN THE TRUCK, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. :icon_scratch:

IF YOU CAN DO IT WITH YOUR ORIGINALS, I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM.

I MAY BE WAY OFF BASE ON IT. BUT THAT IS WHAT THOUGHT.

HOPE IT HELPS.
MIKEL
 

PROSPECTORMIKEL said:
STEVE,
THE PICTURE IN YOUR FIRST POST THAT YOU NAMED ZIGZAG.... IS THAT FOR THE SHADOW
NEAR THE CENTER OF THE PIC, OR IS IT FOR THE SHADOW AT THE FAR LEFT??

THE SHADOW AT THE FAR LEFT LOOKS A LOT LIKE THE HAPPY MAN PIC, TO ME.
I THINK IT HAS THE SAME NUMBER OF ZIGS AND ZAGS.

I TRIED TO COPY AND PASTE THEM TO MY PAINT PROGRAM AND PLACE THEM SIDE BY SIDE,
BUT I FAILED TO GET IT DONE CORRECTLY. SOME TIMES I'M NOT THE SHARPEST PICK IN THE TRUCK, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. :icon_scratch:

IF YOU CAN DO IT WITH YOUR ORIGINALS, I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM.

I MAY BE WAY OFF BASE ON IT. BUT THAT IS WHAT THOUGHT.

HOPE IT HELPS.
MIKEL
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Springfield,

I think PROSPECTORMIKEL is right, you where focusing on the wrong shadow. The shadow in the center of the picture does remind me of a large bird, not a small one.

The shadow to the far left, almost off the picture has the zizag and the dot. :coffee2:

PROSPECTORMIKEL, I KNOW YOU HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING, BUT GOOD EYE. :thumbsup:
 

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springfield,
you stated ...."As I mentioned earlier, 'local mapping' (spatial geometry relative to limited line-of-sight venues) is a technique mastered long, long ago."

Dont forget the Jesuits mastered "off set surveying" long ago as well.

[as in [perfecting a perfect straight line thru and around a mountian to connect with the original bearing]
 

I'M NOT SURE HOW THE TWO PICS RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER AS TO DISTANCE OR DIRECTION
SO I COULD BE OFF BASE.

MY VISUAL PERCEPTION PROBLEM SOME TIMES IS A BLESSING, AS IT MAKES ME GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN IMAGES. ( THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT HARD FOR ME TO READ WHAT I HAVE TYPED.)
BUT IT HAS HELPED ME RECOGNIZE A FEW SHAPES.

I HOPE THAT I AM CORRECT, NOT OUT OF PERSONAL PRIDE, BUT RATHER THAT IT MAY HELP
SOLVE A MYSTERY.

I MAY NOT KNOW WHO ALL OF THE PLAYERS ARE, ON THE FIELD, BUT I AM PRETTY SURE WHICH TEAM I AM WATCHING. (MOST OF THE TIME) SO IF I GAVE CREDIT TO THE WRONG PERSON, I APPOLOGIZE.

I FOUND THAT CHECKING THE LINKS IS AS IMPORTANT AS IT IS TIME TAKING. MY SHORTCUT
IS NOT ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA.

HAPPY HUNTING GUYS.
:icon_sunny: :coffee2: :coffee2: :read2:
MIKEL
 

Springfield,
I dont think you have a 'soldier' there at all.. first of all a soldier is not one of the true
signs or marks that make up the Code...

second of all, the Helmet which you base your theory on..is not really a helmet per se...
it is in fact the predacessor to the Owl symbol, the Treasure Jar, if you look closer you will
see that it is a Treasure Jar, turned upside down and appears at first glance to be a helmet.

The fact that the shadow profile of a face moves over the face as the sun gets
higher in the sky....as you surmised is really Confirmation that the
sign is Spanish/Jesuit and not part of a Native American petroglyph, so that part you are
correct!
\You can see the simularity of the jar and the owl when they are correctly oriented and placed
side by side, one evolved from the other, as the Jar symbol was readily recognized and would
not work as part of the Confrimed Kings Code. Too easy to spot, well in most cases anyway,
that is why it is turned upside down here to further disguise it and to obey the Kings Rules
oro objectively
rangler

ps I have found only one true treasure jar used as part of the Code- found in the Supers, but
that was very early in the time period of the Code, and only half of the jar was represented to further
disguise it..
 

rangler said:
Springfield,
I dont think you have a 'soldier' there at all.. first of all a soldier is not one of the true
signs or marks that make up the Code...
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I support real signs that lead to other real signs.

The "King's Code": display proof.
 

Springfield said:
rangler said:
Springfield,
I dont think you have a 'soldier' there at all.. first of all a soldier is not one of the true
signs or marks that make up the Code...
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I support real signs that lead to other real signs.

The King's Code": display proof.
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Me too, look at the pictures I posted. I believe those are real signs do to the fact that no one carves a seven foot face for fun. I'm just agreeing with you.
 

usernotfound:
Your 7 foot face is actually a small one. Old Dog, and others, have posted photos of huge faces that are far larger than that. A common idea is that the Spanish were following the trails of Ancients and uncovering THEIR mines and caches, then modifying THEIR trail signs and markers for the Spanish's own use. If you go back through the previous threads of this section; all the way back; you'll see those photos. Old Dog posted one photo of a full face carved into a cliff side that carries absolutely no doubt of what it is and I THINK he said that it was about 20 feet tall. (I'm working strictly from memory so it could have been larger)

In this hobby / advocation that you've chosen, you must keep an opened mind about the stuff you'll see on the trails. There have been many different groups "working" this country for one reason or another. That doesn't even take into account the people who have gotten some kind of sick pleasure out of painting, carving, drawing graffiti things Last night, I watched an episode of "Navaho Cops" on NTGEO and one of the situations shown involved 3 brothers who were fighting over monies they'd made by scratching FAKE Indian pictorgraphs onto scrapes of shale and broken clay pots for selling to tourists. The examples I saw looked pretty dang good. LMAO They were in the Shay Canyon area in the 4-corners.
 

Heh, Heh, Heh, :thumbsup: :coffee2:
 

Shortstack said:
.... Last night, I watched an episode of "Navaho Cops" on NTGEO and one of the situations shown involved 3 brothers who were fighting over monies they'd made by scratching FAKE Indian pictorgraphs onto scrapes of shale and broken clay pots for selling to tourists. The examples I saw looked pretty dang good. LMAO They were in the Shay Canyon area in the 4-corners.
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There's a sucker born every minute, as Ripley said. If you think fake injun artifacts are something, you oughta see how gullible 'treasure hunters' can be. A fool and his money are soon parted. Fortunately, many of the posters here are only wasting time (I hope).
 

usernotfound said:
....I just want to read about similar experiences and further understand the hobby.
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“To be truly challenging, a voyage, like a life, must rest on a firm foundation of financial unrest. Otherwise, you are doomed to a routine traverse, the kind known to yachtsmen who play with their boats at sea... "cruising" it is called. Voyaging belongs to seamen, and to the wanderers of the world who cannot, or will not, fit in. If you are contemplating a voyage and you have the means, abandon the venture until your fortunes change. Only then will you know what the sea is all about."

Sterling Hayden, Wanderer
 

Springfield said:
Shortstack said:
.... Last night, I watched an episode of "Navaho Cops" on NTGEO and one of the situations shown involved 3 brothers who were fighting over monies they'd made by scratching FAKE Indian pictorgraphs onto scrapes of shale and broken clay pots for selling to tourists. The examples I saw looked pretty dang good. LMAO They were in the Shay Canyon area in the 4-corners.
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There's a sucker born every minute, as Ripley said. If you think fake injun artifacts are something, you oughta see how gullible 'treasure hunters' can be. A fool and his money are soon parted. Fortunately, many of the posters here are only wasting time (I hope).
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It seems like every generation produces a new crop of suckers. I remember back in the 1970s sure-thing, guarrrr-eeen-teeeed maps of the Lost Dutchman Mine site were sold in the Phoenix Valley and beyond. There's even been con artists who offered on-site, personal instructions in the Dutchman stuff on trips into the Supers.
 

OLD DOG,

YOU ARE RIGHT. YOUR POST SHOWS WISDOM.
TOO MUCH CONFLICT HERE TO LEARN.
RIGHT NOW A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS, AND SILENCE IS GOLDEN.

TTFN
:coffee2: :coffee2: :coffee2: :coffee2: :coffee2: :coffee2: :coffee2:
MIKEL
 

Old Dog said:
First off,
don't know what's up with this thread.

Sorry Steve, and Bob.
Best I can do is ... float with the flow.

sorry
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No poodle rocks here, dog. Just a reality jolt for those who want reality.
 

Springfield, "seven, seven, seven," you don't need to guess at it? How about the thunderbird to the right of the zig-zag man, does it only have seven feathers? How about the rest of the semi-circle information rock center. Are you saying that it is easily read? Just asking...
 

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