Season 9

[RTR]

A bunch of clods pawing around on an island made a shallow surface find of a lead cross. But because they destroyed any surrounding strata and used no precise or careful measurements before disturbing the site it has ZERO providence and will not change any history. Even if it is ancient it doesn't rewrite anything. Norse (by then Christians) were around that area in 1,000 AD, and Basque fishermen also in that area in the 14th century. And there were people in Canada since the ice shelf receded. The figure is hardly a unique shape.

All we know from that cross is that it was on Oak Island in the 21st century. No evidence of any treasure or who may have left it there or why.

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[gazzahk]

but if the original 3 did find that cross the family has that is the evidence correct?

Yes.

But not evidence of treasure still being buried in the money pit area.

 

[franklin]

Yes.

But not evidence of treasure still being buried in the money pit area.

No evidence of treasure found by the 3 boys or men either. One cross does not make 3 trunks of gold? A cross can be made or obtained in a thousand different ways. No matter what the family says they need more than one cross to prove that 3 trunks of gold were found. Did they not have a camera or the sense to save more than one golden cross?

 

[freeman]

If the original finders found treasure then the treasure is gone so it is not still on OI. The same is true if S.Ball found any treasure.

Therefore as I said



but if the original 3 did find that cross the family has that is the evidence correct?

The cross presented for the McGinnis story was identified as 1970s manufacture. Further investigation revealed them to be repeating a popular 'lost treasure' story getting around from the later 1800s: that there were 3 seperate caches buried in the one area.

The easiest version to find is 'Treasure Island by Stevenson where there are 3 seperate caches buried.

 

[gazzahk]

The cross presented for the McGinnis story was identified as 1970s manufacture.

What is your source for this claim.? I have never seen this reported.

 

[freeman]

It was like the spanish ring that was found to be a mass produced model. Reported at the time by sources who traced it.

 

[n2mini]

No evidence of treasure found by the 3 boys or men either. One cross does not make 3 trunks of gold? A cross can be made or obtained in a thousand different ways. No matter what the family says they need more than one cross to prove that 3 trunks of gold were found. Did they not have a camera or the sense to save more than one golden cross?

Almost no one back in the late 1800's had a camera. I've never heard it described as 3 trunks of gold. Only that 3 small chest/boxes were found and do you really think after all these years if there was gold coins in them that they wouldn't have already been spent long before now... how do you think that one or two of them bought land on the island and one bout a whole island that he later sold to S. Ball for 5 pounds. Which probably isn't correct but it is what's listed on record..

 

[BennyV]

I don't have the background to compare the levels to groundwater in other locations. I'll have to see data from additional water and till samples. If there were to be a rich natural vein of gold, there's no way for them to mine it; CCH would immediately take control. It's likely that if a gold chalice comes up in a hammer grab that they would stop and excavate a larger dig in an archeologically friendly way.

Here's a preview of Billy Gerhardt's truck full of silver being hoisted up from the bottom of the money pit.

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Hahahahahaha.

 

[franklin]

Almost no one back in the late 1800's had a camera. I've never heard it described as 3 trunks of gold. Only that 3 small chest/boxes were found and do you really think after all these years if there was gold coins in them that they wouldn't have already been spent long before now... how do you think that one or two of them bought land on the island and one bout a whole island that he later sold to S. Ball for 5 pounds. Which probably isn't correct but it is what's listed on record..

I do not believe Samuel Ball or any of the other boys or men found any treasure. A tale to keep the enterprise going of making money to buy lots on Oak Island to keep their goats and cattle. Samuel Ball's father Samuel Ball Sr. was in on the recovery of Freemason's Treasure on the Islands in Mahone Bay. Samuel Ball Sr. was the wagonmaster that had to wait on shore to haul the treasure once it was recovered to a residence on Gold River. He was part of an nine man group that was entrusted to recover the two treasures from Oak Island. One in the Northern Cove was recovered. The other however was not as they struck water. There were other Freemasons in Chester that knew the locations of these treasures. Some were brought up on charges after the American Revolution. If there were any treasure at all left the Freemasons swore they would return and recover the treasure. Which I believe they did. But they left no record yes or no. The records were keep secret as far as I know so far nothing was ever written down after 1771.

 

[gazzahk]

It was like the spanish ring that was found to be a mass produced model. Reported at the time by sources who traced it.

I have never seen a single report claiming this. Please offer a source for the claim regarding the gold cross.

 

[franklin]

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[gazzahk]

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Thanks for the share frankilin.

It seems the only argument that the author puts forward is why would anyone kept digging if they did not find evidence of treasure..

I suppose the legend is now destined to have only this as the only ever claimed evidence of treasure being found in the money pit...

 

[franklin]

Thanks for the share frankilin.

It seems the only argument that the author puts forward is why would anyone kept digging if they did not find evidence of treasure..

I suppose the legend is now destined to have only this as the only ever claimed evidence of treasure being found in the money pit...

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It looks after market to me. Does not look like 500 years or more old. The top looks like attached by solder. The gold needs tested as the author said it should be. Why did Rick and Marty not have that done. They have the equipment right there on Oak Island plus the lady at the University, a specialist. Yet they did not have it tested. I believe that is no more than 150 years old.

 

[burlbark]

Its a gas brazed, artificially antiqued piece of low quality artisan or early home shopping network gold. In fact if memory serves me correctly I found the identical match to it some years ago and posted it up on one of the various threads. The gold also appears to be your typical 10k compared to the chains 14k or higher appearance.

They like to say how it once held emeralds but anything from that period was typically symmetrical in placement of stones. Not staggered like this brazed gold wire knock off.

 

[freeman]

Yep, that's the problem with the show.

What they say can be easily checked and disproved now.

There is quite a lot that doesn't get shown either.

You asked why people would keep digging if they found no evidence of the treasure?

Here is the answer but you won't find this mentioned in any book as it doesn't help to maintain the mystery.

if you wish to argue you first need to acknowledge that just because you did not know that a reason/answer existed does not mean it doesn't exist. It just means you didn't know such records existed.

It also immediately disproves the repeated claim that though the '3 youths rambling on Oak Island' story is known to be factually incorrect 'there is nothing to say what really happened''.

(and this is just one of the numerous contemporaneous records that specify it)

 

[MikeN]

In this week's show, Gary finds a pull tab from a pop can - the CCH has archeologically preserved the history of its find.

The biggest news is that they find a concrete-encrusted piece of metal from the Chappell Vault. The surrounding wood is dated to the late 15th century - will the Chappell Vault become the Templar Vault after they raise it? They better slam a 10 foot can down there before it sails on to the next location.

 

[gazzahk]

A bit of a problem in that in that modern concrete was not really discovered until 1793 and cement was invented in 1824

Prior to that it was only the Romans that had used it but a very different mix from Modern concrete

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[gazzahk]

You asked why people would keep digging if they found no evidence of the treasure?

Not me. The author of the article. It is his only real argument offered in support of the treasure (And the gold cross).

I personally think one would have to be crazy to think any treasure could still be left in the Money pit area.

I find the descendants story credible in that I believe they believe it. However completely accept that does not make it true.

 

[gazzahk]

It looks after market to me. Does not look like 500 years or more old. The top looks like attached by solder. The gold needs tested as the author said it should be. Why did Rick and Marty not have that done. They have the equipment right there on Oak Island plus the lady at the University, a specialist. Yet they did not have it tested. I believe that is no more than 150 years old.

Yep... It makes very little sense why they did not get it tested.

The surrounding info even suggests that the descendants also had some gold coins. (If so these would be very easy to see where they come from)

I find this one of the single biggest problem with the shows credibility. The only ever actual alleged treasure from the money pit area and the do not do any investigating of it at all...

 

[gazzahk]

They like to say how it once held emeralds but anything from that period was typically symmetrical in placement of stones.

Yep... It does not seem to be possible to find anything similar on the Internet (and I have looked a lot)

The "expert" they had on claim that it 'probably' had emeralds in it seems to be just a guess. I have not seen anyone else offer any opinion in support of her guess/claim/theory