Rock with arrows and an "x" on it?????

[2goldennuggets]

Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

A long time friend of the family is the owner of this rock. I have known about this rock for 20 years but lost touch with this owner/friend up until recently. I asked the friend if she still had that O'l rock and when she said she did I then begged the her for a couple of pics.

I tried to get all the information about this rock that I could but the owner could't recall much about the rock. She said the rock was given to her by a friend but the owner said that she has lost touch with her old friend over the years. All she could tell me was the rock was "possibly" from south central to south eastern Oklahoma but was not for sure. I told her I would post this on the web on a few sites to see if anyone could help. I've instructed the owner to try and locate this old friend to get more info on this rock.

My memory card on the camera was full and all I got was these two pics. It is a little hard to see from my pic but the arrows and the X are raised about 1/8".

Anyone with any Ideas, theories, or info please post or PM me.

Thanks,
2goldennuggets
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[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

It's not concrete, it appears that it is sandstone. There is alot of sandstone and limestone in Oklahoma.

OK thanks. Then I stay with my original sandblasted rock theory. Sandstone is soft and could be easily sandblasted.

 

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[goldguru]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

Nice work OD ..Keep'm on the str8 & narrow.

was about to post that it seemed lil 2 nice of shape..

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I caught a fellow taking river rocks and making fake celts and hammers and axes with a sand blaster.
He would burry them along the river and when they were dug up would sell them for quite a bit at swap meets.
They looked pretty impressive untill you look in his shop and find the whole operation.

never know what will be passed of as real.

 

[goldguru]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I caught a fellow taking river rocks and making fake celts and hammers and axes with a sand blaster.
He would burry them along the river and when they were dug up would sell them for quite a bit at swap meets.
They looked pretty impressive untill you look in his shop and find the whole operation.

never know what will be passed of as real.

How much did you have to spend?? lol j/k

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I knew he had the sand blaster and wanted him to clean up the bed of my truck so I could paint it.
I'm sure he would have put things away if he thought I was really going to show up. LOL
But I did just that and actually caught him with the goods in hand.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

never know what will be passed of as real.

Thats for sure replicas and fakes are everywhere. You really need to know what you are doing to buy and sell antiquities.

 

[cheese]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I agree with the sandblasting theory, especially since there are no sharp corners or chisel marks. The lower parts of the design taper into the rock with a gradual, non-chiseled appearance just like that seen on sandblasted designs.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

Nice work OD ..Keep'm on the str8 & narrow.

was about to post that it seemed lil 2 nice of shape..

Yep, thanks Old Dog and cheese for supporting me on the sandblasting theory.
Sometimes I get lucky.

 

[yellow1053]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I was going to guess it's a treasure indicator, but worthless now that it isn't where it originally was. wouldn't that suck?! LOL

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I was going to guess it's a treasure indicator, but worthless now that it isn't where it originally was. wouldn't that suck?! LOL

Have seen folks take them home out of the desert,
and use them for lawn ornaments.

Yup
it sucks

 

[traderoftreasures]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

it probably marked a billion bucks but its to late now........

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

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[traderoftreasures]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

if it wasn't sand blasted it would all be old and brown looking not just the old raised letters

 

[2goldennuggets]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

if it wasn't sand blasted it would all be old and brown looking not just the old raised letters

Good Point! I know this rock has been in a home for 20+ years and handled by many. It's hard to say really if your theory is accurate. Why you say?Something that extends out beyond a lower surface will be the first surface to come in contact with anything like oily hands, the ground, dirt, grime or whatever.

Back to square one, I guess.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

if it wasn't sand blasted it would all be old and brown looking not just the old raised letters

Good Point! I know this rock has been in a home for 20+ years and handled by many. It's hard to say really if your theory is accurate. Why you say?Something that extends out beyond a lower surface will be the first surface to come in contact with anything like oily hands, the ground, dirt, grime or whatever.

Back to square one, I guess.

I guess you are not convinced. I think he means that the rock is not weathered from the outdoor elements. Sleet, snow, wind, rain; no mold or moss...etc. It shows no wear. But that is not what bothers me so much. The part that bothers me is the raised lettering. The only way to make that is with sandblasting. I realize that the only way to positively identify this is with another pic. Try searching the tourists stops.

 

[2goldennuggets]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

if it wasn't sand blasted it would all be old and brown looking not just the old raised letters

Good Point! I know this rock has been in a home for 20+ years and handled by many. It's hard to say really if your theory is accurate. Why you say?Something that extends out beyond a lower surface will be the first surface to come in contact with anything like oily hands, the ground, dirt, grime or whatever.

Back to square one, I guess.

I guess you are not convinced. I think he means that the rock is not weathered from the outdoor elements. Sleet, snow, wind, rain; no mold or moss...etc. It shows no wear. But that is not what bothers me so much. The part that bothers me is the raised lettering. The only way to make that is with sandblasting. I realize that the only way to positively identify this is with another pic. Try searching the tourists stops.

Thank you for your comments. It may seem that I don't want to believe it was sandblasted but, simply put, I haven't a clue on different methods of creating this kind of raised lettering in rock. I have seen sand blasted stones with raised lettering before and I would agree it looks very much like it could be.

As for the weathering, If you look closely to the top of the photo its much darker (top arrow and top edge) of the rock. The bottom arrow and bottom of the rock appear all similar in color which means.... I haven't a clue

I will try to get another pic or two soon and will post it.

 

[IronSpike]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

Sandblasted rock that has been exposed to elements over a number of years. Maybe decor for garden setting with a small pond?

 

[deepbeep]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I very much disagree with the modern or sandblasted theory. I have been around sign making and, yes, that is a common practice with rubber templates. The arrows and "X" however, are not uniform enough to be templates, therefor, I believe just hand sketched.

If the background were chiseled away, and left in the elements over time, the marks tend to smooth out, such as the background of this.

Also, the dark raised area, and lighter background make sense. I once had a stone house. A representative from the county warned me never to do any sandblasting or abrasive cleaning of the stone. He said it breaks the "hard shell" that takes hundreds of years to form and the stone would then begin to "erode" with rains beating on the side of the house. I would tend to think this stone was chiseled, leaving only the "hard shell of the stone" on the raised surfaces.

My guess is: that a type of trail marker is correct, marking a hazzard ahead, such as quick sand, or drop off into a ravine of some kind that needed to be avoided.

Just my 2c.

Tim

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I very much disagree with the modern or sandblasted theory. I have been around sign making and, yes, that is a common practice with rubber templates. The arrows and "X" however, are not uniform enough to be templates, therefor, I believe just hand sketched.

This is a handsketched, hand cut rubber template that was used. (One template for the entire rock). And then it was sandblasted. This opinion is based on my experience as an artist for a sandblasting sign company. You do not chisel a sign this way.

 

[deepbeep]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

Well............of course you don't chisel a sign this way.....................now that we have sand blasters!

But they did then! lol And that is based on my study of stone workings of the early to late 19th century.

If you want a good example of this, walk around an old cemetery. Though most are "carved in", you will see some that are done in relief too!

Tim