Replica of Drakes discovery plate in California

[mariner]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

Cornelius.

Thank you. I stand corrected. I will consult my material when I get home to refresh my memory.

Mariner

 

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[mariner]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

Cornelius,

I have just read Vizcaino's diary on line, and as I thought, there is no mention of seeing the wreck. In fact, it said that though the chief pilot recognised the port (having been there with Cermeno), they decided not to stop in case they could not get a favorable wind when they were leaving, but later were driven back to the port by a wind, and anchored on the outside (presumably where the second anchor is shown on the map. They sailed at daybreak without going back into Drake's Bay. Two Indian canoes tried to reach them, but could not do so as the wind took them away. Only one of Vizcaino's ships reached Drake's Bay: the other had already headed back south after leaving Monteray.

If you have a version of the diary that says they saw the wreck of the San Agustin, or another account that does so, I would be very interested in having details of it. I remember going over this ground several years ago, and could find no reference to them seeing the wreck.

Mariner

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

I have not talked directly to anyone from the park in about a year.

I think one of the things you have to look at though, when looking at the same stuff, and then looking at where stuff often shows up on the shore, is that in the center of this, where there does not seem to be a whole lot, there may actually be a whole lot.


Because maybe in this area, what seems to be up is actually down. If what looks like it is up is actually down, then there could be a lot of things there downward, maybe what they are looking for. If what they are looking at as two things that are up are actually down and more than two things.

Took me some time to realize this, like a year, but there it is.

A real meaningful piece of lore about this wreck, cast in the right way I think.

 

[mariner]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

Because maybe in this area, what seems to be up is actually down. If what looks like it is up is actually down, then there could be a lot of things there downward, maybe what they are looking for. If what they are looking at as two things that are up are actually down and more than two things.

??

Mariner

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California




There is a good chance that this explains a lot of things about the wreck that make people wonder.

We should all move along under its guidance.

Eventually when an archeologist in the know reads this they will figure out what I mean and be sort of impressed.

 

[cornelis 816]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

Cuzco . What are you trying to tell us with this ? Cornelius

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

I'm not sure there is anything more to say. This theory speaks for itself. It's a good theory backed up by evidence that is hard to touch and see.

Treasures of the Armada, a great book and useful.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

Are you sayin the map is up side down & North is south like many others?

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

No. It's more a story of how a ship can seemingly disappear and reappear, and still no one can find it.


Look at all my thread posts on this subject. A lot of people on this site proport to have clues and maps to things, but this is basicly a detailed description of how others can also find this wreck, if you look at the clues. I think this is more of a geocatch puzzle for people who have become bored with the other easier stuff.


I wouldn't mess with it though, you will get busted for sure from the NPS. There is someone on that beach almost continuously from daybreak to sunset. And there are sharks also.

Here is a super low tide shot from the bay looking from the seabed up onto shore.



And another looking across the mouth of the estuary:



You will notice the absence of any shipwreck here.

Wait, what's that little piece of pottery? Did you come from Sebastian Cermenho's ghost galleon?



The sea is a great lady with many secrets.

 

[cornelis 816]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

No my friend the ceramic part is not from the San Augustin . You have to know the kind of porcelain that was shipped from Asia ( china via Manila ) to recognize it when you find it . The rest of your conclusions make no sence to me either . But .......have fun with your research ! Cornelius

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

I would guess its a English piece from around 1790 - 1815 ...It's all over my area

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

Yes, it shows how many ships are in that area.

 

[cornelis 816]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

If you guys look at the first map I put on this chapter of discussion , you may see that they point out the areas where spikes and porcelain were found in the garbage pits . Do you think that these object were just swimming ashore ? No my friends the indians were diving on the San Augustin in taking off anything they could find . So if any of you guys are still looking to salvage the San Augustin, more power to you . I am out of this thread now . Cornelius

 

[bobinsd]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

Don Jose. Is this a repicla from the replica ? Did Drake realy visit the Estuary or was only Cermeno and the San Augustin there . I visited the place many times since the San Augustin is pinpointed on the map . I was there ahead of Bob Marx . Bob said he discovered the San Augustin . This is a bit of BS . He never got permission from Sylvia Earl to dive on the site . Anyhow it is a long story out of my younger years . Cornelius

Cornelius....what map? Do you have the coords? I could use your thoughts on what
an rov would look for.
Thanks. Bob in San Diego

 

[bobinsd]

Re: Replica of Drake's discovery plate in California

Are you sayin the map is up side down & North is south like many others?

that is not Drakes bay, unless the island shown to the NW has disappeared!

 

[Salvor6]

that is not Drakes bay, unless the island shown to the NW has disappeared!

Bob, Cornelius died years ago.

 

[bobinsd]

Bob, Cornelius died years ago.

Thanks. Sorry, Ive been away. Still need the coords though.

 

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