Re-Counterfeit mold of US Large Cent

[Fredneck]

Digging an early site that's producing relics from 1620's to the Civil War period. While detecting on the first visit there I had tapped into an early pit/privy and finally was able to investigate it a little more after a good pounding of the site surface detecting. I dug the mold of an American Large Cent and the bores tusk from the pit, along with lots of glass, china, crockery pieces, and some interesting iron relics not in the post.The mold may be made of pewter and explain why we can't find any old coins at the site lol.
The other cool piece I dug is a very early little copper mouth harp while surface detecting, that references date from way back, maybe earlier than the 1620's horse stirrup from a couple weeks back on the first visit. I pic'd it with the typical harp we find at CW and home sites.
Hoping the other side of the coin mold is still in the unfinished hole, which I now believe is a rock lined privy, just feet behind the old footprint of the house. To be continued ...

**** Added 2 pics showing its not flat and whats left of the raised border, that got me thinking cast mold *****

 

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[Fredneck]

Great finds !

Thanks Tom

 

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[Fredneck]

Wow, you hit the lick. Nice

Thanks Cowboy

 

[Fredneck]

Very unique finds - congrats !

Thank you E-Trac

 

[Digger RJ]

Digging an early site that's producing relics from 1620's to the Civil War period. While detecting on the first visit there I had tapped into an early pit/privy and finally was able to investigate it a little more after a good pounding of the site surface detecting. I dug the mold of an American Large Cent and the bores tusk from the pit, along with lots of glass, china, crockery pieces, and some interesting iron relics not in the post.The mold may be made of pewter and explain why we can't find any old coins at the site lol.
The other cool piece I dug is a very early little copper mouth harp while surface detecting, that references date from way back, maybe earlier than the 1620's horse stirrup from a couple weeks back on the first visit. I pic'd it with the typical harp we find at CW and home sites.
Hoping the other side of the coin mold is still in the unfinished hole, which I now believe is a rock lined privy, just feet behind the old footprint of the house. To be continued ...

Very Cool!!! Congrats!!!

 

[Almy]

Thanks, R-C, for the further explanation. It satisfies my curiosity. Now I understand how it could work. Being able to make a low melting point metal cast of just the back and front of the coin and then use those to impress on softened but still solid wax are what I did not know about. The impressed, and presumably cooled (so harder) wax could then be used to make and use a clay or sand mold in the conventional way.

 

[ARC]

Like i stated earlier... And I still stand with this thought... Its a piece of pewter that has been pressed for an impression... Sometimes this was done to test certain methods / comps etc.... or simply out of boredom.... AND...
As of this moment...
that's all it truly is.... all else is imaginative / speculative.

 

[Fredneck]

Like i stated earlier... And I still stand with this thought... Its a piece of pewter that has been pressed for an impression... Sometimes this was done to test certain methods / comps etc.... or simply out of boredom.... AND...
As of this moment...
that's all it truly is.... all else is imaginative / speculative.

Yes speculation, though many methods of mass counterfeiting was of the time of this piece, but until I actually dig an example of a counterfeit from it at the site, still speculation. Thanks for your input, I welcome all thoughts on the piece.

"Sometimes this was done to test certain methods/comps etc."
Methods of what ? Can you elaborate ?

 

[oldmxrat]

Very cool (and controversial, it seems) finds, congrats!

 

[ARC]

Yes speculation, though many methods of mass counterfeiting was of the time of this piece, but until I actually dig an example of a counterfeit from it at the site, still speculation. Thanks for your input, I welcome all thoughts on the piece.

"Sometimes this was done to test certain methods/comps etc."
Methods of what ? Can you elaborate ?

Testing a press... testing the material being pressed etc.
Just another speculative possibility ... even though remote... it too... does exist.

 

[The Metalorian]

Digging an early site that's producing relics from 1620's to the Civil War period. While detecting on the first visit there I had tapped into an early pit/privy and finally was able to investigate it a little more after a good pounding of the site surface detecting. I dug the mold of an American Large Cent and the bores tusk from the pit, along with lots of glass, china, crockery pieces, and some interesting iron relics not in the post.The mold may be made of pewter and explain why we can't find any old coins at the site lol.
The other cool piece I dug is a very early little copper mouth harp while surface detecting, that references date from way back, maybe earlier than the 1620's horse stirrup from a couple weeks back on the first visit. I pic'd it with the typical harp we find at CW and home sites.
Hoping the other side of the coin mold is still in the unfinished hole, which I now believe is a rock lined privy, just feet behind the old footprint of the house. To be continued ...

I posted something similar and equally as puzzling, mine had imprint images on both sides. I don’t think it was for counterfeiting but who knows.

 

[SkimmerRon]

Digging an early site that's producing relics from 1620's to the Civil War period. While detecting on the first visit there I had tapped into an early pit/privy and finally was able to investigate it a little more after a good pounding of the site surface detecting. I dug the mold of an American Large Cent and the bores tusk from the pit, along with lots of glass, china, crockery pieces, and some interesting iron relics not in the post.The mold may be made of pewter and explain why we can't find any old coins at the site lol.
The other cool piece I dug is a very early little copper mouth harp while surface detecting, that references date from way back, maybe earlier than the 1620's horse stirrup from a couple weeks back on the first visit. I pic'd it with the typical harp we find at CW and home sites.
Hoping the other side of the coin mold is still in the unfinished hole, which I now believe is a rock lined privy, just feet behind the old footprint of the house. To be continued ...

Regardless of what it actually was used for I gotta say great finds Fredneck. For
My guess of what the mystery coin thing is… I’m gonna guess it’s to press brothel tokens. Hey my guess is as good as the next guys right? LOL Doesnt
Matter still a good find.

 

[Fredneck]

Thanks Ron