RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 06/30/2009

[tesoro dog]

Dm!! On pic #28 did you try sighting through the hole?? Could tell you something! Luck Lady! td

 

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[Old Dog]

Great story line Kim.
You sure seem to be having a lot of fun.
Glad to see you getting out and bringing us along.

 

[Shortstack]

Hey, desertmoons. I've really enjoyed reading this thread. I spotted several crosses in some of your early pics, but it's your last post, #123, Pic 26 that I'm posting about. That large rock on the left looks like a heart, pointing to the right.

One of your early photos had a heart, lying flat on the ground with a small round stone lying on top of it.

 

[desertmoons]

im prob wrong, as i have no experience or knowledge
other than what ive read on this forum
in the first pic from here/ Topic #102 Posted May 19, 2009
i made what i thought looked like a heart, as a negative, and put it in pic
and i have a Q about the square rock your snail is setting on, does everyone
think that is a natural formation, ive never seen a square rock, like that
in just piles of rock, like where it is at

Cw0909... i think you are right. That looks like a definite heart to me! Never noticed it. Thanks!

But more so..thank you for mentioning the "slab" . To me it looks like it could be natural. It looks like sort of a dry wash (seasonal water) it sits in there, so it is conceivable that water running down caused that shape. However dear cw! I was so busy looking at the forest..i did not see the tree..or something like that. But making the below pic i suddenly had a revelation. Anyway... this snail has other information on it in plain view. Plain to anyone except me! lol Except i see it now.

Here is a close up of the slab. You can see from this point of view..how the slab seems to be naturally attached on the right.
However...even as i am about to post...i am starting to wonder if it is natural...hmmmm.

But it is true you will find things sitting on artificially placed slabs. I will see if i can find a picture..or maybe someone has one.

TD... yep took a look through both holes..and stuck my hiking pole in one of them. The view down .is to bare ground of course. Being smaller they could well have been moved over the centuries. But...i think the holes are only part of the puzzle. Other aspects probably play into it. I look for patterns and starting to see some.

Anyway i am still really confused about how that white rock pile got there. Maybe it was some survey thing going on and that pile is a boundary marker....then reused...or...maybe they were moved there on purpose to cover something or perhaps they were moved in to be carved and placed elsewhere and ....these are the leavings.
I just do not know. The two holes... could be modern but maybe not on one of them. What i will do with them is measure and mark. Maybe someday it will all make sense on a map.

Reverse engineering is the only game at RattleSnake Hill...I think.




.The ancient relationship of snails and turtles is revealed..who would have guessed....




Steveno and Thom..glad you enjoy it. It takes some time to pull together the pics..so appreciate your comments!


Finally..remember i am no expert.

 

[desertmoons]

last post, #123, Pic 26 that I'm posting about. That large rock on the left looks like a heart, pointing to the right.

Yes it could well be that! Will have to go get a better pic from looking straight down. But I agree with you it does seem artificial and meaningful in its placement. Not that i know the meaning by any means...heh. But thats okay for now.

That other heart with the black stone on it...well.. I know the one you mean. That location is puzzling. Lost some pics i guess but i will get another of what i think is a broken up turtle near it. Not sure really.


Thanks!

 

[Shortstack]

A heart with a circle, spot, or (in this case) a stone placed in / on a part of it has a special meaning, but I can't remember what it is. I'll have to look it up in Kenworthy's book.
You sure have a fine localized area to play with there. I envy you your exploration. Be extra, extra careful, too, because some of your pics show what could be traps (deadfalls). Isn't an upside down cross one of the signs for caution? There were some possible upside down crosses in a few pics, too. With the concretion matrix many of those rocks and boulders are made of, it's possible that some important chiselled marks have eroded away.

 

[hadji009]

pic #27 rock leaning on other smaller rock looks like a duck head with a #3 carved in the center.

 

[cw0909]

DM i know its prob hot there, but was wondering, if you got back out,
and brushed the dirt from the sides of slab to see what it is.
and also can you see this area through the slabs with bore holes.
or are they even near that slab area

 

[hadji009]

duck head with #3 inside?

 

[desertmoons]

Hey hadji..thanks. I finally see the duck..sometimes it is like that takes me a long time to see something.....but showing the thumbnail helped me see it.

Sent you an email. Thanks again.

cw - if you mean those squarish white rocks...no i did not though i suspect that would be a good thing to do. And yes it is very hot! For various reasons its a look but do not touch area as is most of RSH. Still it is very educational.


Mmmm ....I have lifted up mine eyes unto the hills.... and finding much much to ponder in that psalm and in what i saw when I did so.

Right angle triangles seem to be popular and am brushing up on geometry which does not come easy for me at all to visualize things that way.

 

[Lost Horse]

Hi DM,

 

[hadji009]

here is your owl?

 

[Old Dog]

Hey Kim,
Did you notice the guy standing facing left in this picture??
I am betting you did with the picture title.
LOL

 

[cw0909]

DM sorry i should have been more specific

i was talking about the slab, that the snail, turtle rock, is sitting on
if you look at pic A. i see an X, B. is a close up, and in C. i see something,
a wedge maybe. i tried to blow it up, it just distorts, and cant see it at all
slab from this post
Reply To This Topic #125 Posted Jun 30, 2009, 10:06:24 AM

was wondering what pic D. is? i enlarged it a little, and its from pic 27
in the lower right corner.
from here
Reply To This Topic #123 Posted Jun 30, 2009, 05:44:31 AM

what is that symbol, lost horse pointed out

thanks

 

[hadji009]

shadow profile?? and maybe ground hoyo under chin

 

[minetres]

DM,

Is this the same site we talked about earlier when you first started posting? This site has some great monuments some of the best.

Minetres

 

[desertmoons]

Thanks all.

Losthorse, I surely did notice that symbol. But it is so reassuring to know you see it too! It was on one of my first trips it appeared.


Thanks to bob631 for finding that triangle thing for me. It is helping a geometry confuzzled lady retrain her brain.


Thom. I was so excited when i found that - a REAL carving!!! There are quite a few out there.

Cw - I will respond to your post later on. But that symbol I think can be found in a lot of signs and symbols books. I bought only one - the Pickett book as I've been doing some serious saving for something else and books not on the list right now. Highly recommend the Picket book for anyone thinking of hunting trails. Gives good advice on a variety of subjects.And of course lots of signs and symbols.

Posted this elsewhere..but that is going away so will repost it here. A little more on the slab trail. This was one of the first attempts to follow a trail.

Starts out with the seat..that was posted earlier in this thread.

seat1


A couple of nearby rocks. To me, NOW..not then.. one confirms the direction of the
bird head.

seat2


...
seat3


Looking to one side you see the bird head.

seat4


Decided to follow the bird head. In the distance it pointed to what
looked like another seat or bird. I also wanted to check out some
possible carvings I had seen atop that hill.

seat5


Followed the line of the bird. Along the way noticed an unusual pile
of rocks off to the side of trail.

seat6


Last September it looked like a turtle laying eggs to me..and it still
does. The eggs lay on a massive boulder.

seat7


Getting closer. You can see the bird seat and the slabs with
potential carving. I need to go downhill and across the dell.

seat8


To me these are likely directional marker that also tell you a little
about what you can expect to find at end of trail.


This rock caught my eye because of the deep incision on it.

seat9



Still crossing the dell -

seat10


Sigh....this guy. Well will just walk by for now. One of the great enigmas of Rattle Snake Hill. Very different from what one usually sees. Though I am reluctant to ask for help as it is unlikely I will be actually doing recovering here and so...well just do not feel its right to ask under those circumstances. Plus having not bought the books to research on my own yet makes me feel I do not have the right to ask for help...this one..I'd love to know more about it., Has anyone seen anything like this before?

seat11


part2 coming up

 

[desertmoons]

Getting closer now...does not look so much like a bird now. A lot of things can only be seen from a distance. But it still looks interesting and man made. The massive pointer up there helps.

seat12


As I approach the goal - one more sign. Thought this was an x at the time. Not sure now.

seat13


Ah made it to to bird seat. Wonder what it points to?

seat14


Walk around the other side of it. As usual they are letting you know
YES it is something.


seat15


I sit down take a break and it seems the bird is not pointing into the distance but rather at the cubbyhole in front of it. Rather overkill I think.

Not a good picture but the key thing I think is the rock is black, and it seems edged or carved. Of course it is pointing up to those possible carvings I saw. I had a hard time believing a small marker 6-10 inches long would be indicated by such a big marker. For now its just a hmmmm. Probably missing something.

seat16



Break time over..lets look at those possible carvings.

Coming up on them i notice it looks like two big slabs fell away from the third upright. Strangely though, the upright seems to have a nice curve cut out of it as opposed to the fallen slabs.

If you use your imagination you might even think it is owl shaped. Or a couple of people.

Notice also the lower arrowed item - reminiscent of a shaft. Well thats the way I think of it. Not proven.

The corner of the slab seems strangely worn or chipped away. From a short distance away it looks like a triangle shape to me.


seat17


Well here they are. Looks... interesting to say the least. I was not sure those were man made back then. But feel they definitely are man made now.


seat18




Finally this found nearby.

seat19

 

[desertmoons]

Yes minetrees...it sure is. If you mean what we have discussed elsewhere.

Everything in this thread is Rattle Snake Hill. Clearly it was a major point of interest back then..which is surprising indeed given its location.

 

[hadji009]

owls, king head, heart