Rattle snakes things to know

[cptbil]

Kelley:
I have been beyond "Very Lucky" !
To this day, I can't imagine why? ?? ?I haven't/wasn't bitten!? :P
One occasion, I was leaning against a tree, looking up at a cliff dwelling!
As I went to drop my Cigarette,? Between me and the tree was a coiled Rattlesnake!
Probably less then "6 Inches"!? ?
I can only attribute this to my appreciation of Nature's Ways!
I respect ALL! WildLife!
Since returning from Vietnam, I haven't killed anything!?
I'll even walk around/over a centipede/scorpion !

 

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[cptbil]

Kelley:
I guess that I should mention that, I also, am living I am out in the country...? ?
Here in So. Texas, along the Banks of the Nueces River!
Here in the Town (pop.360) of San Patricio ( the nearest town) is ...Home of...The World Championship Rattlesnake Races!
I have also lived in Fla.
Being close to water in each State..
AND! Having PERSONAL EXPERIENCES? ? ...of the CLOSEST KIND!? ?:P
I can agree with you about Water Moccasins !
They are a nasty & aggressive bunch? ?? ..and They Will! Charge? ??
AND!
They can bite underwater!
My neighbor & son, just, yesterday killed 19!? ?:P?of them, (as you know, they DO! live in "NESTS")? at his stock tank!
AND! You know!
That they didn't get them all!?

 

[Detecting Fool]

The potency of the venom diminishes with age, it's the venom of the young ones that you need to worry about. While Wisconsin isn't known for a lot of venomous snakes, they are here. Timber rattlers are not unusual along the bluffs of the Mississippi River. I killed a water moccasin here once, and a 3 year old boy died from the bite of a coral snake.

Coral snakes live in two parts of the US, the extreme SE (ie Florida, Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi)and the extreme SW (New Mexico, Arizona and California). Also, water moccasins only live in south. Its become an urban legend over the last several years that all water snakes are water moccasins. Wisconsin would be too cold, for either a coral snake or a true water moccasin to survive very long, even in the summer time. If the 3 year old was indeed bitten by a coral snake, someone transplated it there.

Anthony

 

[cptbil]

Detecting Fool:
The Coral Snakes have moved to SOUTH TEXAS!
Over the years, I have found Four (4) in my front yard (2ac) as well as an equal number of Rattlers!
Not All poisonous snakes are KNOWN!? ?
One day, I once was going to catch this very arrogant ??8)?long (bout 4') slender Green Snake,
And! They do! Have an attitude!? ?
I occasionally, see them, whizzing thru the trees!
In this particular case, He was hanging off of a branch!
So! We were looking "Eye Ball to Eye Ball" (level)? ?
And! Just! as I was about to reach out and grab him,? ?:-? just behind the head...
Guess!? ?? What I saw??
Remember, just a moment ago, I mentioned, "Arrogant"
WELL!
I noticed HIS HEAD WAS Triangular
THAT SAID!? In Big Letters!? ? Danger! ?
I have never run into any Long slender Poisonous Green Tree Snakes
(Yes! I know that there are Green Rattlers in Arizona/New Mexico).
But! This was not a Rattle Snake!
So! He went his way and I went mine!
The next day at work, I worked for a college, I went to the College Library and ...
SURE! Enough!
I made the RIGHT Decision, not to mess with him!
The Snake is a Texas Vine Snake!
AND! Yep! They are poisonous? ?:P

 

[MiddenMonster]

So! We were looking "Eye Ball to Eye Ball" (level)
And! Just! as I was about to reach out and grab him, :- just behind the head...
Guess! What I saw?
Remember, just a moment ago, I mentioned, "Arrogant"
WELL!
I noticed HIS HEAD WAS Triangular
THAT SAID! In Big Letters! Danger!

Come on, people. It's one thing to use caution when looking for treasure in areas snakes inhabit and infest. But let's not let folklore get the better of us. You can't tell if a snake is venomous (there's really no such thing as a poisonous snake; poisonous frog, yes, but not snake) by the shape of it's head, type of belly scale or the bluntness of its tail. The shape of its head is partially determined by what it eats, and how the snake eats it. Other snakes mimic venomous snakes to scare off predators. There are also only 4 venomous snakes that naturally inhabit the U.S.--rattle snake, copperhead, water moccasin and the coral snake. Any other venomous snake in the U.S. was introduced by humans. Last year a cobra someone owned did get loose in an apartment complex in North Texas. But it belonged to a man who lived there, and he got caught by the long arm of the law and the snake was recovered.

BTW, I'm having trouble posting pictures of the snake loop. So for those who are interested, send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll send them to you directly. The pictures are well within the size range, so I'm not sure why they aren't posting.

 

[AzSports]

Maybe that spade head is no guarantee, but it is quite common among snakes with longer fangs. Better to run from a Hog Nose than grab some darn green thing ya don't know about!

What do you guys thing about 1000 denier as snake protection?

I have seen it advertised somewhere as such, but mostly as briar protection. I have snake chaps pants that are much thicker, but I had on the 1000d chaps on this past w/e and was impressed at how nothing got thru. I could even kneel among mesquite without event. Loose as they fit, they may work.

Any actual studies or test that you know of?

 

[surfrat96]

Boy, I'm glad after reading all these posts and seeing that picture that I don't have to deal with snakes. Nothing to worry about hunting at the beach, other than a sunburn! 8)

 

[MiddenMonster]

Boy, I'm glad after reading all these posts and seeing that picture that I don't have to deal with snakes. Nothing to worry about hunting at the beach, other than a sunburn!

Yeah, except used syringes and other medical waste! And don't sea snakes come up on the beach? I've heard you almost have to have the antivenin at hand if you want to survive one of those...

 

[surfrat96]

Fortunatly we don't have seasnakes in Florida! I've lived on or near the ocean my entire life and never came across any biohazard material. Just a few bales that washed in many years ago! HH 8)

 

[cptbil]

Mr. Midden Monster:
?There are No Poisonous Snakes? ?
May I ? ?quote ? ?:P ?from my "Merck Veterinary Manual", page 1233!? ?
Quote, "Four? POISONOUS ?? ? snakes--the rattlesnake, the cottonmouth moccasin, the cooperhead and the coral--are native...." Unquote!

 

[Kelley (Texas)]

Cptbil is correct about the Texas Vine Snake.? They are a long, thin, green colored snake with a head slightly larger than normal and they are indeed poisonous.? It is my understanding that they are native to Mexico, but on occasion, can be found in South Texas.? Also, there are Coral Snakes in South Texas.? I have killed two of them in the past five years.? Kelley (Texas)

 

[AzSports]

I'd sure like to see a tall wall go up on the Rio Grande to keep those vine snakes from crossing!

 

[cptbil]

Jonster:
I am afraid that it's TOO LATE!? :P
They have been here for about 100 Years? ? and they aren't going BACK!?
Over the years, there as been an influx of wildllife from Mexico, into the U.S.!
Mexican Wolves, Jaguar, coatimundi, Caracara Birds, you name it !
They're here,?
Or!?
On the way!?

 

[AzSports]

AZ Game and Fish has posted some great Jaguar pics lately, at least two in area. Az has also re-introduced the wolves, I was very close to one a few years back while deer hunting, really wanted to take a big 'Coyote' with good fur, but, this one was plainly a wolf, and protected. We have the Coatis around here like rats, fairly 'friendly' beasts at that. How bout the ringtails? I ran into a tree full of them on the border, very cool.

My Dad was attacked by a very old Jaguarundi bout fifteen years back, they are more of a rain forest cat than desert. This guy had very badly worn teeth and a ruff coat,(the cat, that is!) had been eating his housecats for nearly a year! Too bad possession of its hide is a felony...

Now, about that Spanish treasure that came across the border and resides in Arivaca. Sure wish I'd trip up on that import.

 

[cptbil]

Jonster:
Which one, of The Many!
That are in that area?
I have info (researched) on five (5) !?
I am heading down there on this year's trip!
I have to stop off in New Mexico first!
Care to join up ??
AND!
Dig up a couple??

 

[MiddenMonster]

Mr. Midden Monster:
There are No Poisonous Snakes?
May I quote :P from my "Merck Veterinary Manual", page 1233!
Quote, "Four POISONOUS snakes--the rattlesnake, the cottonmouth moccasin, the cooperhead and the coral--are native...." Unquote!

Maybe checking with a biologist would be better. The term "poisonous snake" is not the proper term. A "poisonous snake" would be a snake that, if eaten would be toxic, like some frogs, or fruit containing strychnine. The toxin is in the body or skin of the organism. Snakes are referred to as venomous if they intentionally deliver their toxin to kill and begin the digestion process. Whatever you refer to them as, you might end up dead if you get bit, leaving whatever treasure you were about to pick up for the next guy or gal to snatch when they walk by...

 

[cptbil]

Mr. M.M.:
Why would I want to talk to some Biologist...
When,? one of the WORLD'S largest Pharmaceutical Companies called them "Poisonous"...rather than Venomous... I'll go with them!!!?
Besides,
My Webster Dictionary says:?
Venom ? ?:P 1. Poisonous material secreted....transmitted by biting or stringing!

So! The word,? "Venom" means "Poison" !
&? Poison can mean Venom !

What's you're point?

 

[AzSports]

I heard some blurb on the radio today about some sea beast that eats fish, gets some toxin from them, dies, and pollutes the ocean as a result. He said something about that being against the law!? So, I dont know if it is poisonous or venomous but it isnt right and it could kill somebody, I thinks that's the point.

 

[Desertdigger]

Kelley is 100% right about Texas in cold weather, I have almost stepped right om at least 4 Rattlers while THing and every time it was cold but sunny. I lived and detected in Texas for many years but the biggest rattlers I have ever saw are in Louisiana. I found a very aggressive one in Arizona a few years back that charged from about 30 feet. My most recent experience with a Rattler was around the first week in March this year in Baja when we were out fossil hunting ,at the base of a cliff 4 footer crawled out of a crack, his neck from his head for about 6 inches back was very small compared to the rest of him, I guess he had not eaten for a long time. The one before that was right next to my house in Baja and he was at least 6 inches long and boy he could rattle, I wanted to put him in my Terrarium with my 6" scorpion but since I am accustomed to having the wife type comforts of life he was voted out.

 

[Desertdigger]

This is what you can find in Nevada after a sudden cool spell.