Question about churches

[Tom_in_CA]

I can see where Shortstack's personal jab/insinuation, was hard to escape. I felt it too, before even reading Easy Money's response to that. Shortstack, someone having an opinion does not mean they're telling you how to live, any more so than your contrary opinion, is telling them how to live. Sorry if you've been burned by a negative stereotype, but no need to make low blows. The topic was about hunting church yards, and didn't need the personal comment.

 

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[bootybay]

Hey Castle Keep... I am so jeleous your in england... aren't there tons of smaller castles too that are basically in ruins that you could detect..heck, I would think even in the woods would be grand too... You have a history there that will knock your socks off.... I would loveeeeeeeeeee to live there and hunt and dig and get all dirty OH YEA... and I am half english.

 

[EasyMoney]

Well, just for the record, I'm 63 years old and at this time in a man's life there is little room for self-agrandizement or foolishness or pride. My youth, like ALL older men's youth was spent trying to sort out truth and to learn and to be a better person and to treat others more kindly, and it continues onward as I continue to age, and hopefully I can get even better at it.

Many times in my life I've helped others not just with this sport but in life in general, and to assist them in other even more important regards too. When you reach this age you spend more time helping those who may need your help and guiding those who have not quite learned many things that their parents should have guided them through already. This is not a statement of pride, it is a statement of fact and reality. If more people would be less "politically correct" and speak up openly against the wrongdoings of those doing wrong perhaps those people would learn and wouldn't wind up with their detectors having been taken from them, or getting fines because of their misdeeds, or in a few instances being shot..

Again, my statement was about the wrongdoings of hunting in cemetaries, whether attached to a church or not. And yes again, this cemetary hunting is a matter of liberalism and sociopathological malfunction and not of personal beliefs or ideologies. It's just wrong. It is directly related to one's religious conviction too, and has nothing to do with politics. "Liberalism" is a Christian term, not a political one, although nearly half of America tries to jam it into their political arena. It was derived because those early persons (around 400AD) decided to not obey the laws of the church, i.e.; to not tresspass, cheat, lie, steal, etc., therefore it was applicable in this situation and was about the subject at hand, cemetaries, or in other's cases, churches. I chose cemetaries to comment on, and in my own manner.

It may be ok to hunt on Church property with permission, but it's NOT ok to hunt in a cemetary. And if I can save someone a lot of grief, I'll do it, on here, or otherwise. It's my responsibility.

R.E. The original post.

 

[castle keep]

Well i must say as the OP i am none the wiser, however this has been an education as everything in life is about opinions and it was not my intention to judge only to ask the question?. Here in England if you wanted to exploit the Church land i am certain you could retire on your finds within the year, but even the nighthawkers and gold digger seem to draw the line at Churches

I will leave you with this thought ;

I am seeing land all around me sold by the Church or farmers etc for new housing estates or supermarkets, and when the diggers move in anything on that land or even grave yards (which they half heartily relocate) is lost forever. This could be hoards of roman coins or relics and things to re write history , so maybe when this happens there should be a period to allow genuine detectorist's and alike to reclaim items before they are lost forever.
Just a thought no more...........................

 

[EasyMoney]

Now that makes a great deal of sense Castle.

After many years some cemetaries here are often moved, including all the graves within it. Of course they are merely put into another land area, or if they are too old to be visited by familiar relatives who might have emotional ties to them they are often cremated and put into one big vault. At times cemetaries become so old that they are actually stacked one on top of another. In France many (skeletal) remains are stacked like pieces of clay chard or brick one on top of another underground out in the open.

Here in America though, the latter practice seems a bid too morbid for most individuals's tastes. The other problem that we Americans deal with is our unabashed desire for idealism, surreality and fantasy, oftentimes wanting the person who died to miraculously re-appear one day, and thus we retain the hope that if we care for them dearly that (subliminally and erroneously rationalizing, of course) that it could in fact, happen someday if we do the job well enough .

Once the graves have been dug up again and moved, the area no longer remains a cemetary. Even the sands on many beaches are treated as a recycle plant, the sand being cleaned and re-cleaned on a regular basis by monster machines. Of course that is a different situation because few beaches have ever been cemetaries and likely never will either.

Thanks for your well-written note. I appreciate it. HH.

EasyMoney

 

[CRUSADER]

Well i must say as the OP i am none the wiser, however this has been an education as everything in life is about opinions and it was not my intention to judge only to ask the question?. Here in England if you wanted to exploit the Church land i am certain you could retire on your finds within the year, but even the nighthawkers and gold digger seem to draw the line at Churches

I will leave you with this thought ;

I am seeing land all around me sold by the Church or farmers etc for new housing estates or supermarkets, and when the diggers move in anything on that land or even grave yards (which they half heartily relocate) is lost forever. This could be hoards of roman coins or relics and things to re write history , so maybe when this happens there should be a period to allow genuine detectorist's and alike to reclaim items before they are lost forever.
Just a thought no more...........................

Very true. You forgot to mention that the church is the second biggest land owner in the UK. Land was given to the church by wealthy owners who were 'buying' their way into heaven. I am not interesting in trying graveyards but they have millions of acres which are basically farm fields which they rent to their farmers (gives them income). The church commission adminster the land & when I asked them they refuse permission. However if I wanted to gravel extract & paid the right sum, they have no problem (think of the holes produced in that industry). I know that they have lost thousands of historic artefacts by not allowing responsible detecting. It saden me to say this but its true. The church has shot itself in the foot. I believe it stems from a detectorist who never gave up his half of the treasure, simple answer - Flat Ban.