please stop voting for bigger government!

I miss the "good old days" when men married women, and English was the language. Until we get back to the old fashion values, this country will continue to decline.
 

bigfoot1 said:
NATIVE floridian,
You make solid points.I dont believe many would enjoy seeing OUR land be destroyed by corporate greed.But lets ponder this...our economy and thus our own lifestyles depend upon intelligent management of the vast resources god granted upon our land.The middle answer I speak of is just that...responsible and intelligent access to those resources.Would you say that is a fair expectation?

Does it make sense to you that you and I are told we cant even ride a bicycle on OUR land while expected to pay for its management.Is it ok to run hundreds of miles of fencing to,"enhance"the natural beauty?How about simple personal visitation access without aquiring a permit?Ride a horse?Heck....just walk?

If you are amoung those who believe that access to OUR land should be restricted heavily than I am a bit puzzled.Is $8.00 a gal. fuel something that actually sounds ok to you without reguard to the millions who would suffer greatly?I really dont think you do.

I believe the answer is in the middle and have little patience for those who,"know whats best for me"extremism is just that reguardless of which side it resides.I,for one,have had it with self gratifying exteremists.They should be marginilized.imho
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I totally agree with you on this. What i don't agree with is blaming/Obama.
, liberals. democrats, etc for this. Some on here just take Hannity a bit too seriously.

I live in a state with a republican governor. I like the guy. Buttttt, on some things he's got his head up his ass. Like appointing a person who has never set foot in a state park to the cabinet level position as head of state parks. This republican lacky wears high heels when visiting state parks for photo ops. She has expanded government and increased revenue to the state via instituting fees for areas previously free to all.

So again, not a liberal thing.

All that said, for the most part, on a personal level, I'm OK with protecting the land. I agree there has to be balance. Sure some of the restrictions bother me, but it's all for the greater good. The Pine Barrens would be paved over by now if not for Congress acting to save it. Instead, today it stands as the largest undeveloped tract of land on the east coast between Boston and Cape Hatteras. (Yes, in NJ! Unbelievable right?)

The one thing in NJ that does bother me is when land is granted to a conservancy. Most of these are non profits and in some way connected to the public tit. They are top heavy with adminstration that makes a lot of money to do very little. These groups buy large tracts of land using an appeal to conserving for future generations to get approvals. Once they get the land up go the fences and the keep out signs. This is a serious waste of my tax money.

But, there is nothing for me to do about it. It's not a liberal thing. And, truely there are bigger fish to fry.
 

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squiggy1 said:
That is prejudiced! ! Don't care what kind of spin you put on it..SHAME ON BOTH OF YOU!
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I object to Showering in Front of a Mirror ? Am I prejudice against Moderators ?
 

GMD52 said:
The idea is , and always has been, that our Federal land is held for the use and benefit for all citizens, that does not mean the constant restriction of use, or in the non-use of these public lands that are owned and funded by us.

A good example of this is our national forest lands. They were initially managed for the sustained yield of our renewable resources, and the multiple use of the public for recreation, timber, water, and such. They were not acquired for the total preservation and none use of these resources. Every time a special interest group wants to save a tree, animal, or scenic vista....Which ever administration in control designates new restrictions on our resoures that become non productive and economically dead. If we continued to subscribe to the management doctrines og Gifford Pinchot, founder of the U.S. forest service we could supply the materials for our housing needs without having to import a large majority . The more land that is preserved,( meaning non-use), vs. conserved( wise-use), the more our natural resources just go to waste.

These public lands are bought and managed with the tax dollars of the citizens, and the Gov't needs to listen and act in the wisest capacity for all, not a few.
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Well, you can buy cheap lumber from Canada.
Since we have the worst environmental practices and give our resources away for nothing.......
What would like?
Canadian oil is practically free (to those outside of Canada) and you'll pay half of what we pay for our own hydro.
Our waterways are no longer protected and our preserves are open to international mining corporations.
Most fishing hotspots are mostly stocked with what comes from the hatcheries.
Hey, my home province won the 2012 award for the most polluted lake in the world!
Soon people who live in the "Land of unlimited resources" will be coming to visit your national forests!
 

squiggy1 said:
That is prejudiced! ! Don't care what kind of spin you put on it..SHAME ON BOTH OF YOU!
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Squiggy....can I shower with you?How about use the bathroom with you....can I sit in the dressing room while you use it?
 

"We need more government!" Which is exactly what many of you anti gov. folks want, the right for each individual to govern his own little world as he so chooses without any consideration of his fellow man. Sounds just peachie to me. :laughing7:
 

this is exactly the point birdman was making ,, we are so PC now that we have to watch what we say or we hurt peoples feelings.
from what he said the main thing picked up was he is not gay .
how about the PC in the war zone ? how if a enemy shoots your friend and turns his back on you , you may not fire and kill the enemy because he is not facing you.
there are hundreds of other things going on with our troops over there that ties their hands .
 

It looks like everyone is in a dellema over the Lib/Con issues. Problem nether side serves your needs. It's a struggle for control. One's in bed with corporate interests and the other with anti-use litigation. Down the road we all will have to join each other or loose the whole enchilada.
My guess if Washington is put aside what's left is a lot to agree with.
There is a movement to grant another wilderness here. The guy pushing it got a seat on the County Commission. He will probably have an affect. Those of you that could put up with the nature of the beast could help by going political. If this guy gets his wilderness it's 77000 acres that we loose. If he doesn't it's 77000 acres we will loose to something.
My favorite author is Edward Abbey. The environmentalists tried to claim him as their own. No such luck. The conservatives couldn't tame him. he's someone all of you could enjoy. He helps understand that to jump on ether boat, lib/con is missing the point. He invented Monkey Wrenching. A true rascal.
Recommended good start, Desert Solitaire.
 

I no longer can call myself a repub.I prefer independant thinker.I have been let down by them all for soooo long I am weary,prolly their goal.But I will fight for common sense approaches untill it happens or I am no longer.
 

Government's not bad. Yeah right! Why do they call them public lands? Because they're owned by the American people! Who does the government work for? The American people! So why doesn't it work that way? It should be run like its suppose to! Fire congress, we already have governors for every state. Every law made should be sent to the American people to vote on. That would eliminate all the greed and the lobbyists with the deep pockets. That would also eliminate the budget deficit real quick!

My two cents!
 

Bigger government is for people who don't want to create their own wealth or destiny. Let's just let the government take care of us! Tax the rich and keep giving handouts to people instead of creating jobs. I would rather have the things I WORK for than an 'Obama phone' and food stamps. The government should be helping people when they REALLY need it, not just because they would rather sit on their ass watching Jerry Springer than look for a job. No offense to Jerry Springer intended.
 

Heck.. when I was in service and took showers with other men, it didn't matter if they were gay or not... they all admired me!:icon_thumright:
 

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