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Latest Google Maps image for my posts has shifted west by about 20 feet from previous coordinates. Not a problem unless your using visible landmarks to dig a hole.
 

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I just thought I'd put my 2 cents here for people to kick around. I don't know if there is treasure there or not, but somebody went through a lot of trouble there centuries ago for something. It'd be great if there is treasure there, but somehow I doubt it. Odds are that whoever may have put something there more than likely retrieved it already. If not the one that buried it then others who have been there could've found what it was and took it.

I do find it intriguing even if nothing is recovered simply because of the historical questions that have arisen and could be answered. I live in a very historical area and there's very little in the way of this kind of intrigue that Oak Island offers up. The farther they go the more questions that seem to arise. I believe the value there is historical rather than treasure even though the finds they've gotten I'd consider as treasure, just on a smaller scale than they make it out to be. We'll see what comes of it hopefully in my lifetime.
 

I will give you one to think about...The Shugborough monument in Staffordshire England has the letters carved into it.
O.U.O.S.V.A.V.V
D. M.

(0=15)+(U=21)+(O=15)+(S=19)=70 (V=22)+(A=1)+(V=22)+(V=22)=67 (70 to 67 Longitude) and the is West Longitude

(D=4) (M=13 or (1+3=4) 44 Latitude North

Puts you off the west end of Nova Scotia, By the Overton Stone...
You are not the first to suggest this scheme as a starting point.

That is by simple modern English Gematria (as opposed to the Tudor or Latin version), which would be a variation of what John Dee liked to use using Chaldean numerological values for the letters of the alphabet (the values are given based on the sounding of the letter when spoken, giving it a harmonic basis). By this method "John Dee" sums to 18 and 14 (total 32) You could creatively point to lot 18 of 32 on OI with it if you wanted to pursue that coincidence. Not saying you should. It may have served later story fabricators.

You might want to consider what those coordinates look like expressed as a location using 66.6W of Paris (not Greenwich) and 44.4N and what ratio that looks like when divided by 22.2 (the angle value signaled atop Nolan's cross, incidentally), or by summing the coordinates to 111 (Agrippa's alchemical magic planetary magic constant for the Sun). 3:2 is the 3rd approximation of the Golden mean (Phi) using the successive Fibonacci numbers, and the Pythagorean harmonic ratio (use to give frequency ratios to notes as opposed to values to letters). The 5th approximation of it is 8:5 which is the proportion of Nolan's Cross using Amundsen's Kingdom stone as a concealed base for the stem. 5x8 is also an identifiable "signature" of the OI mystery. It appears in many details (number of characters on the alleged stone discovered 40 years after the arrival of British colonials to OI from Rhode Island in 1763 which allegedly give "40 feet below", for example).

D.M. as an abbreviation is known from Latin tombstone inscriptions where it is common. It means "to all of the Gods of the past". The God(s) that is/are most often referred are those that had stood for the Sun or those associated with its family. Most often it is Zeus/Apollo or Venus (the morning star), the holy trinity of the archetype of the dying God myth to the Greeks.

Of interest, there is a well known mysterious esoteric inscription that was put on a marble plaque at Bologna, Italy that is called the "Aelia Laelia Crispis" inscription. There is a coincidence with this crafty esoteric riddle in that it was found at the same latitude as that of OI, 44.51N. This clearly was not chosen to involve OI. At 44.51N the daily path of Cygnus (the swan and the celestial Cross) makes it disappear for just a short period of time exactly at the Northern Horizon (for about 8 minutes). This happens because Cygnus is ever so slightly N of being in complete Zenith above at this latitude when it reaches its daily culmination. Obviously the same is true and also visible from NA at that latitude. The connection between Zeus and the swan is from mythology where he disguised himself as a Swan to seduce Leda in the very famous story.

It is my suspicion that many of the OI details are "made to fit" in a mystery tradition, just as the Lord Anson inscription was probably made to fit. Everything about it is supposed to get you excited about discovering the meaning of it all, imho. I also don't think the original island suggested in this mystery is supposed to be OI. It is possibly that island at 44.4N, 66,6W of Paris that figures in the historical NS account described by DesBrisay from ca. 1830 which is clearly lending some of its details to the later Masonic fabrications at OI.

If you are dogged enough about it you can find traces of this symbolic storytelling that originate in Europe. It is associated with the colonial period and the Early voyages of Gilbert to North America which were to layout a "Christianized" plan for colonization informed by a numerology exploiting 40 (the most prolific number symbol in the Bible). This is the same individual who received a many months long "education" from Dee prior to his voyage regarding his devised method of symbolic navigation that he called the "paradoxical compass" employing multi level significances (many of which were esoteric). Sites of Geo-metric importance using the novel Mercator maps were to be visited and signaled for their later purpose in the grand scheme of colonization. This was alleged to be repeating the details in the God's "Great Work" or "magnum opus" which was going to be further completed by having Britain extend its Empire to North America to spread Christianity. The sites of Newport, Rhode Island and of the Jamestown colony location at Chesapeake figure in Dee's Geo-metry. It is why we today still get echoes of a Freemasonic alignment of major cities on the East coast upon a symbolic heading. That "hint" has survived in lore. The plan was real, but based on hocus pocus of a religious bent. There is a North American intercept at 44.4N, 66.6W that interested Dee because two great circles of symbolic heading intersect near there. On Gilbert's final fatal voyage, a ship in his fleet was lost not far from this location of of Sable Island. Gilbert later died on the same journey in 1583 before reaching Europe. The effort probably only has meaning to Freemasons. It does not surprise that they have been the custodians of the OI story through the years.
 

I can tell you Mass and NS tie together. If you find some old Templar books from the late 1800s, you will see. The Mass lodge held the development plans for Nova Scotia.
 

I can tell you Mass and NS tie together. If you find some old Templar books from the late 1800s, you will see. The Mass lodge held the development plans for Nova Scotia.
Erasmus Philipps came to NS from Boston where he attained his Mason Mason degree ca 1842. These men were Templar knights in inspiration only. It's part of the figurative role playing associated with Masonry.
 

Horatio, left ns to leed American Revolution.
GATES, the Templars, all.the way back to our ordered exile 1307, escaping to the Annapolis valley.
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No one escaped to the Annapolis valley. Gates served under the founder of Halifax, Edward Cornwallis at Halifax in the 45th regiment of foot. Governor Cornwallis had been made Master Mason by Erasmus James Philipps and had been given his own lodge from Philipps. Gates married Erasmus James Philipps' daughter. Phillips was part of the 40th regiment of foot based out of Annapolis Royal. Gates participated in much of the hostilities of the French and Indian war in Nova Scotia against the Acadians and the native population. He later served as Governor of Nova Scotia. All these men were Masons, and they all have a link to Philipps who brought Freemasonry to NS from Boston in 1742. These men are absolutely NOT part of a lineage of men that goes back to the Templars. That's just a conspiracy fiction. When Gates was in NS there was not yet the rumblings of a plan for the American colony to secede from Britain. What there was at that time was a plan to make Canada into a loyal British colony with all the virtues of Protestant Freemasonry. Philipps died suddenly in 1760. His old protégé in the 40th, Charles Morris, who was by then Surveyor general of NS, is the man who planned and surveyed the Shoreham grant which contained Oak Island in c. 1762. New England Planter settlers arrived in 1763 from Rhode Island. The settlement of NS avoided the problem of importing the undesirable Puritan strain based in Massachusetts by focusing on colonials from Roger Williams colony where freedom of religion was maintained. Gates later went to Virginia and it is there that he got involve with the continental army and Washington.

Morris' plan of OI may have been inspired by Masonic planning elements. The plan of the island probably does have an Masonic influence. To tease out what the symbolic value of that would be would lead you to all sort of other Masonic fictions still today trumpeted as realities by some.
 

Yet another theory based on random stone picking.

If five oak island treasure supporters here looked at the same stones, they would all come to different conclusions.

If only somebody would post ACTUAL HISTORICAL FACTS about a treasure being buried on oak island in the first place, then there would be a starting point.

In the past we've seen folks here state that the following items are buried on the island:

a) Some sort of random treasure (which has never been defined or backed up with factual historical information)
b) Writings of Shakespeare
c) Sir Francis Bacon's Tomb
d) Aztec Gold
e) Mayan Gold
f) Blackbeard's treasure
g) Other pirate's treasure (fill in the blank)
h) The grave of the fictional King Arthur's brother
i) British payroll
j) The Templar's treasure
k) A space/time portal that the Templars used to travel and take treasure to Mars.

There have been several other treasure typ
mentioned but the above have been mentioned more often.
 

You are not the type that is effected by facts and proof.
Cross 720x867. Pyramid 3 sided=720 w base 57&90 is external of 147+720=867. The Pyramid has a second external of 145 and that is the top of the Cross. 145+147=292 the bottom of the cross is 293. Simple, reproducible math.

Unlike, vague tenuous threads to specious concepts. Your statements reveal a very limited understanding and wishful thinking.
 

Actual historic facts ? Like a big X.......how many treasures would be left if there were historical facts directing them to the treasure... I guess you want a list of everything they buried too...with all the road building and foundations with thousands of tons of rocks....they didn't do that for nothing.so let the Laginas waste there money...
 

Actual historic facts ? Like a big X.......how many treasures would be left if there were historical facts directing them to the treasure... I guess you want a list of everything they buried too...with all the road building and foundations with thousands of tons of rocks....they didn't do that for nothing.so let the Laginas waste there money...
again you ramble aimlessly. the proof is in front of you but it crushes your belief system so it must be wrong. You give zero proof of your claims whereas mine are substantiated in redundant math. Your purpose here is clear. Its not good.
 

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again you ramble aimlessly. the proof is in front of you but it crushes your belief system so it must be wrong. You give zero proof of your claims whereas mine are substantiated in redundant math. Your purpose here is clear. Its
 

Actual historic facts ? Like a big X.......how many treasures would be left if there were historical facts directing them to the treasure... I guess you want a list of everything they buried too...with all the road building and foundations with thousands of tons of rocks....they didn't do that for nothing.so let the Laginas waste there money...
You touch on a number of issues that I can address.
1) During the crusades the Templars raided religions sites and liberated many items. What are they? Not my forte. One item was the Ark as the cipher refers to a secret chamber as the one the Ark was stored. In that the depositors were bankers I guess a well documented cache will come with a manifest - a book of the contents.

2) Rick and Marty are not treasure hunters by experience or success. They have no idea what to do. At this point they are not wasting money as its a profit center which allows them infinite failures.

3) Historically civilizations has come and gone and most of what we have is their stone(s). Templars knew this might take 25 generations so they created a written, ritualistic and graphic legacy in FREEMASONRY. The cipher connects this almost conclusively. In their Medieval way. On the level of navigation I am good. On the level of math I had help online. As for who and their politics I am in the dark.


4) The stones tell a story that goes further with Kabbalah - not my thing but its a templar story.
 

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