Old Train type toy. Please help!!!

[smf399]

I found this in the front yard of an 1860s house. It kind of looks like a toy train but it looks like the wheels weren't supposed to turn and it looks kind of funny. Any info would be great.

 

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[Viminacium]

Omg! Its a small train! Not many people can say they found train by metaldetecting...

 

[clovis97]

I am into old toy trains, and you've got me on that one.

Definitely not O gauge Lionel.

Is this HO scale? How wide is the difference between the wheels?

 

[DCMatt]

Cool dig. Very detailed. Looks like it was a nice toy once-upon-a-time.

DCMatt

 

[taz42o]

That is a 4-2-2 steam engine, used from around mid 1800s to 1900.
The 4-2-2 refers to the 4 front wheels on 2 axles, 2 drive wheels on 1 axle and 2 rear wheels on 1 axle

 

[DCMatt]

That is a 4-2-2 steam engine, used from around mid 1800s to 1900.
The 4-2-2 refers to the 4 front wheels on 2 axles, 2 drive wheels on 1 axle and 2 rear wheels on 1 axle
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taz - That is an amazing pic! Look how well it matches the detail on the relic.

The locomotive in the pic is called a Dean Single. Built between 1891 & 1899 for the Great Western Railway.

DCMatt

 

[taz42o]

Here is a good steam engine site ,You can find surviving engines by state.
There's a 4-14-2 on display in Pomona Ca.


Surviving Steam Locomotives in the USA

4-14-2

 

[duggap]

Dang, these guys are good.

 

[Paleopilot]

Here is a good steam engine site ,You can find surviving engines by state.
There's a 4-14-2 on display in Pomona Ca.


Surviving Steam Locomotives in the USA

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Thanks Taz, I found Old Chief Iron Horse, I used to play in and around this old Engine when it was where it is in this photo, just behind the Sioux City Auditorium in Iowa.

 

[clovis97]

I still not 100% convinced that the train that the OP found is an engine.

Could it be a tender, or some type of flat car?

It reminds me of an American Flyer piece that I saw somewhere, but cannot place what it was.

I still think this is an early HO piece, possibly a rare Lionel OO scale, or even an S gauge. It would be nice to know the width between the trucks so we can narrow this down.

 

[taz42o]

I still not 100% convinced that the train that the OP found is an engine.

Could it be a tender, or some type of flat car?

It reminds me of an American Flyer piece that I saw somewhere, but cannot place what it was.

I still think this is an early HO piece, possibly a rare Lionel OO scale, or even an S gauge. It would be nice to know the width between the trucks so we can narrow this down.

Same type of engine here...

Triang R354 00 Gauge GWR 4-2-2 Dean Single Lord of the Isles GWR Green Superb ! | eBay

 

[clovis97]

Same type of engine here...

Triang R354 00 Gauge GWR 4-2-2 Dean Single Lord of the Isles GWR Green Superb ! | eBay
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How did you find that?

Nice job!

 

[taz42o]

I think i searched for '4-4-2 toy locomotive' or something similar to that.
Those old steam locomotives were classed by wheel arrangements. Middle number being the drive wheels.

 

[clovis97]

Are you familiar with OO scale?