NOKTA MAKRO LEGEND VS XP DEUS II REAL WORLD TESTING

[DigDog201]

Some people like to try and defend indefensible positions.......I am headed to the Smokey Mountains...Catch yhall later..

Got that right
Some say for a fact the southern border is closed and secure 😂
Had a place in Maggie Valley .between Asheville and Gatlinburg.
Real nice place if you get a chance.

 

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[Calabash Digger]

Got that right
Some say for a fact the southern border is closed and secure 😂
Had a place in Maggie Valley .between Asheville and Gatlinburg.
Real nice place if you get a chance.

Going Thru Maggie and headed to Dollywood Monday

 

[DiggerinVA]

Here's a thought...or "my thought".. If you use a Deus 2 to find targets, then use a Legend only to check each targets, you have only proven that the legend is capable of detecting those particular targets...or not. I can use a Deus 2, equinox or whatever newer machine and double check each target using an ATX and I bet the ATX will hit every one. It will go deeper than the Deus 2, Equinox, etc... especially in hot dirt since it is a PI. Point is in real life detecting where trash vs treasure is figured in, the Deus 2 or Equinox user will dominate the ATX user in most hunting situations. Tesoro's Tejon was always one of my favorites and I have many relics to show from it. And it is DEEP! But the Deus 2 finds as much (or more) with a much lighter trash pouch at the end of the day. All tests are "flawed" to a certain extent. The best "test" is a year swinging a given detector and another year swinging the other. Personal preference has so much to do with people's "results". I hated the Deus 1 and refused to buy one even though I knew it was a great machine. It's jumpy target ID and lack of multi frequency just turned me against it. After both of these issues were addressed in the D2, I couldn't wait to own one.

 

[DigDog201]

Here's a thought...or "my thought".. If you use a Deus 2 to find targets, then use a Legend only to check each targets, you have only proven that the legend is capable of detecting those particular targets...or not. I can use a Deus 2, equinox or whatever newer machine and double check each target using an ATX and I bet the ATX will hit every one. It will go deeper than the Deus 2, Equinox, etc... especially in hot dirt since it is a PI. Point is in real life detecting where trash vs treasure is figured in, the Deus 2 or Equinox user will dominate the ATX user in most hunting situations. Tesoro's Tejon was always one of my favorites and I have many relics to show from it. And it is DEEP! But the Deus 2 finds as much (or more) with a much lighter trash pouch at the end of the day. All tests are "flawed" to a certain extent. The best "test" is a year swinging a given detector and another year swinging the other. Personal preference has so much to do with people's "results". I hated the Deus 1 and refused to buy one even though I knew it was a great machine. It's jumpy target ID and lack of multi frequency just turned me against it. After both of these issues were addressed in the D2, I couldn't wait to own one.

Here’s a thought or mine though as well. Take 10 Deus Ii’s 10 equinox 800’’s and 10 legends and swing them over the same targets at the same time, the same exact way, same settings, all full batteries.Then maybe we will have a more definitive idea. If you have one particular detector where all 10 equally performed the same over the rest then i would say good chance for a “fact” that model and brand will outperform only in that area at that moment.
Take into consideration.as to quote an unnamed person of knowledge.

Tolerances, sample variability and varying usage conditions. Applies to any complex machinery, not just electronics. What works perfectly fine in "normal use" scenarios can exhibit "problems" and sample-to-sample variations when you push its limits. Oftentimes cutting production costs leads to "pushing its limits" as a default mode of operation

Not every,Deus, equinox or Legend will preform exactly the same as these “tests” every time, everywhere.
If in my area my Legend hits on 28-29 out of 30 targets the Deus does at
A third the price, well thats good enough for me. As i said its not like i ever run out of holes and targets to find. I think you will finf enough holes
And targets with a bounty hunter.
But hey if finding that extra penny or dime every now and then during your hunt for the extra $1000 is worth it to you then thats your prerogative.
My Honda gets me to the grocery store every time just fine. I guess i can do it an a BMW look flashy and maybe get that extra second or two at a red light but to each his own.
But even a BMW’ breaks down and much more to repair.

 

[Peterw]

I get a real chuckle from these threads ,just amazing the things that get said. All hypothetical of course but reality gets smeared and things get said with no merit. I highly doubt XP Deus, Minelab,Garrett,Nokta/Makro etc are letting anyone outside the inner circle of R&D engineers know how they test the machines they produce. I mean some guys on here are talking like they’ve been given a tour through the research and development department and then given the private number to talk to the CEO of the company later on..lmao...

 

[Calabash Digger]

I get a real chuckle from these threads ,just amazing the things that get said. All hypothetical of course but reality gets smeared and things get said with no merit. I highly doubt XP Deus, Minelab,Garrett,Nokta/Makro etc are letting anyone outside the inner circle of R&D engineers know how they test the machines they produce. I mean some guys on here are talking like they’ve been given a tour through the research and development department and then given the private number to talk to the CEO of the company later on..lmao

I will be doing a live stream when I get home on Detector Testing..You are all welcome to join and you must be a sub for at least 1 minute to comment. I am not one to make stuff as I go along. I talk to the Owner and Staff of XP on a regular basis...Actually just this morning.... I am reporting what I have seen with the machine ...I got a prototype piece for the Deus II that will be coming out in a few months....
So yes some of us do have an inside scoop....
All the SO CALLED theories on testing will be addressed...Its really not that complicated...mild to medium dirt.......Hot dirt will be discussed too...I have had about all the top detectors in head to head test...We will save that for the live stream..

 

[Calabash Digger]

Wish I had my detector with me

 

[DigDog201]

I get a real chuckle from these threads ,just amazing the things that get said. All hypothetical of course but reality gets smeared and things get said with no merit. I highly doubt XP Deus, Minelab,Garrett,Nokta/Makro etc are letting anyone outside the inner circle of R&D engineers know how they test the machines they produce. I mean some guys on here are talking like they’ve been given a tour through the research and development department and then given the private number to talk to the CEO of the company later on..lmao...

Well there you have it CD has the inside scoop.
Im just simply stating realistic things. Everything that is mass produced is not exactly identical in the real world.
I don’t know about you but even cars for example I’ve had same models and know of others and we all have different issues. And yes there are recalls but even then not all of them go bad. My point Again, you cant take one model of anything and say this is exactly how it will perform all the time even vs a competitor

 

[DigDog201]

I get a real chuckle from these threads ,just amazing the things that get said. All hypothetical of course but reality gets smeared and things get said with no merit. I highly doubt XP Deus, Minelab,Garrett,Nokta/Makro etc are letting anyone outside the inner circle of R&D engineers know how they test the machines they produce. I mean some guys on here are talking like they’ve been given a tour through the research and development department and then given the private number to talk to the CEO of the company later on..lmao...

Just to add something, there are some people that you can post this picture and they know exactly what it means. Some things are common sense to some and not others. Just sayin

 

[DigDog201]

I get a real chuckle from these threads ,just amazing the things that get said. All hypothetical of course but reality gets smeared and things get said with no merit. I highly doubt XP Deus, Minelab,Garrett,Nokta/Makro etc are letting anyone outside the inner circle of R&D engineers know how they test the machines they produce. I mean some guys on here are talking like they’ve been given a tour through the research and development department and then given the private number to talk to the CEO of the company later on..lmao...

Sorry that was basic math here is something more relevant

 

[Peterw]

So yes some of us do have an inside scoop....
All the SO CALLED theories on testing will be addressed.....

I'm curious about these two statements, so are you saying you do have inside information that is from the R&D of a major metal detecting company that the public is unaware of? If so I'll be watching your site.
My second question is are you addressing your so called theories or someone else's?

 

[Calabash Digger]

Yes I do ….

 

[Peterw]

Yes I do ….

Awesome,me too... Nothing like having the scoop before everyone else.. I'll be watching your site to see if we're getting the same information

 

[DiggerinVA]

Here’s a thought or mine though as well. Take 10 Deus Ii’s 10 equinox 800’’s and 10 legends and swing them over the same targets at the same time, the same exact way, same settings, all full batteries.Then maybe we will have a more definitive idea. If you have one particular detector where all 10 equally performed the same over the rest then i would say good chance for a “fact” that model and brand will outperform only in that area at that moment.
Take into consideration.as to quote an unnamed person of knowledge.

Tolerances, sample variability and varying usage conditions. Applies to any complex machinery, not just electronics. What works perfectly fine in "normal use" scenarios can exhibit "problems" and sample-to-sample variations when you push its limits. Oftentimes cutting production costs leads to "pushing its limits" as a default mode of operation

Not every,Deus, equinox or Legend will preform exactly the same as these “tests” every time, everywhere.
If in my area my Legend hits on 28-29 out of 30 targets the Deus does at
A third the price, well thats good enough for me. As i said its not like i ever run out of holes and targets to find. I think you will finf enough holes
And targets with a bounty hunter.
But hey if finding that extra penny or dime every now and then during your hunt for the extra $1000 is worth it to you then thats your prerogative.
My Honda gets me to the grocery store every time just fine. I guess i can do it an a BMW look flashy and maybe get that extra second or two at a red light but to each his own.
But even a BMW’ breaks down and much more to repair.

As for detectors of the same model and brand not performing the exact same... I can say that two detectors that I have owned several of over the years did vary some in performance. One was the Fisher CZ-3d... Every one I had varied some in depth, with the older units seeming to average better depth and less likely to false on deep nails. The other is the Tesoro Tejon, the first one I ever owned was not that impressive, the second would blow your mind at the raw depth of an unmasked 3 ringer in Virginia soil. I expect with the modern electronics in new machines like the Deus 2 that the detectors performance is more uniform and equal... atleast close anyway. Performance is not always the most important when the user is figured in and we can't forget about good ol plain luck of getting over a good target also. I have seen days that a guy using an AT pro just dominated the good finds when hunting with a guy using a Deus and one with a CTX. Is the ATPro better?? I don't think so...

 

[DigDog201]

As for detectors of the same model and brand not performing the exact same... I can say that two detectors that I have owned several of over the years did vary some in performance. One was the Fisher CZ-3d... Every one I had varied some in depth, with the older units seeming to average better depth and less likely to false on deep nails. The other is the Tesoro Tejon, the first one I ever owned was not that impressive, the second would blow your mind at the raw depth of an unmasked 3 ringer in Virginia soil. I expect with the modern electronics in new machines like the Deus 2 that the detectors performance is more uniform and equal... atleast close anyway. Performance is not always the most important when the user is figured in and we can't forget about good ol plain luck of getting over a good target also. I have seen days that a guy using an AT pro just dominated the good finds when hunting with a guy using a Deus and one with a CTX. Is the ATPro better?? I don't think so...

I noticed a difference between some Tesoro s like the cibola and vaquero as i have own more than one of each.
I’m not so sure the tolerance variables have cut down much more in many electronics today as even more than ever nowadays, it’s all about profit over quality, not to mention declining work ethics, labor shortages, part shortages, etc.
Ask yourself are things made better today than 30 years ago technology aside. I bought furniture 20 years ago ,recently had to have help removing the old furniture as it was solid heavy wood. The new furniture was delivered literally in small boxes and assembled in my house. Including the full size leather couch which my puppy already tipped over several times just from jumping on it. His bag of dog food probably weighs more. And everything was purchased at the same exact store as their “higher” end furniture. Things today are made to break and replace vs to last. Not sure how old you are but if you are old enough i think you know what i am talking about. Do you think the metal detector industry is superior in manufacturing compared to others.
More so than Sony, Samsung, GM, GE, etc.

 

[Calabash Digger]

Live stream tomorrow at 7 pm EASTERN

 

[GeoW]

Live stream tomorrow at 7 pm EASTERN

Very interesting.. Was entertained by your live dig stream!

 

[Calabash Digger]

Everyone is welcome to participate as long as they are civil..Attack the argument not the person...