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[Rebel - KGC]

Your a trip Rebel, Tea Party is opposite end of spectrum from socialism....Democratic party is closer to socialism...

OK.

 

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[Chadeaux]

DOMARI NOLO

Many others here "refuse to be subdued".

 

[0121stockpicker]

Oath to the Constitutions comes before oath to the President, anyone who has ever joined the military knows that..............

Any order given by a president is invalid if it violates the Constitution..........

That applies to officers (officers oath) only to prevent the taking over by a "false president".

 

[Jim in Idaho]

And if you were enlisted you also swore an oath to the president of the United States.

Regular Military Officer's Oath:
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.[1]

National Guard Officer's Oath:
I, [name], do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___, that I make this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the Office of [grade] in the Army/Air National Guard of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ upon which I am about to enter, so help me God.[4]

Enlisted Oath:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."


Jim

 

[0121stockpicker]

Regular Military Officer's Oath:
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.[1]

National Guard Officer's Oath:
I, [name], do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___, that I make this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the Office of [grade] in the Army/Air National Guard of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ upon which I am about to enter, so help me God.[4]
Jim

Thats right and then the enlisted military oath also adds in the oath to the president also.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

That applies to officers (officers oath) only to prevent the taking over by a "false president".

"Post it", anyway... wanna SEE!

 

[Jim in Idaho]

Thats right and then the enlisted military oath also adds in the oath to the president also.

Yup...I edited my post to include the enlisted oath
Jim

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Regular Military Officer's Oath:
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.[1]

National Guard Officer's Oath:
I, [name], do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___, that I make this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the Office of [grade] in the Army/Air National Guard of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ upon which I am about to enter, so help me God.[4]

Enlisted Oath:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."


Jim

TY, Jim.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Thats right and then the enlisted military oath also adds in the oath to the president also.

TY, "Stock".

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Oath to the Constitution comes before allegiance to president. Always has, always will, presidents come and go Constitution always here, it is the supreme law of the land.

Military not obligated to follow unlawful orders, you can't be ordered to shoot unarmed civilians as example, president could issue order but military not obligated to follow.

 

[G.A.P.metal]

Yah
lets wait till some foreign power try` s to take over our country, cuz we had all of our guns taken away by our government.
Then we can all go to Rebel`s house and watch him throw stones at them.
Gary

 

[0121stockpicker]

Yah
lets wait till some foreign power try` s to take over our country, cuz we had all of our guns taken away by our government.
Then we can all go to Rebel`s house and watch him throw stones at them.
Gary

Would love to know what foreign country you believe will be taking us over and how they would possibly do it?? Canada maybe?? Mexico? Come one, lets be serious.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

GAP is serious, you don't think we could never be invaded, China as example, that possibility is always there, also possible we need weapons to defend ourselves from our own government our forefathers were smart enough and had the foresight to put in the 2nd amendment.

 

[releventchair]

I did suggest civil disobedience would be the answer to fienstien legislation if passed. N.y. is a taste. Not an armed up rising. I would bury weapons before turning them in ,but far from that at this time. As an owner its being in a minority where like it or not the people for control of arms are in the majority world wide(at least those who are allowed to speak). Is it possible to amend constitution when and if majority are in favor? If so it suggests tact in discussing issues and giving value to other opinions. I dislike political approach to solving gun control issues but it is what we have to work with. With out a fair dialogue the out come will be unfavorable and if that dialogue same as i have been having face to face with family and others ends with out both sides seeing the others reasoning it will be majority rules. Trust me i,m stocked enough to make the news but its not to use against my government! Federal or local. Such talk is enough to create desire to consider confiscation down the road with international help. Don,t feed it!. They know we have them. Let them know we will keep them,not through violence but disobedience. Any other actions should be so polite and understanding those who disagree will at least know where we stand should it ever be put to a vote.
Are n.y. gun owners on track?i say they are.

 

[0121stockpicker]

GAP is serious, you don't think we could never be invaded, China as example, that possibility is always there, also possible we need weapons to defend ourselves from our own government our forefathers were smart enough and had the foresight to put in the 2nd amendment.

I would never question the possibility of internal struggles and never made such a statement. I do firmly believe (along with just about every military officer of note) that the US will never be land invaded. It's just not possible as we are blessed with 2 big oceans and 2 weak countries on the boarders. The Chinese only have a gray water navy with almost no ability to project beyond there immediate environs. They couldn't even invade Taiwan. Even the soviets never dreamed of a land invasion. Just think of the logistical issues. No, foreign invasion is only for what I like to call "Red Dawn Fantasies". Best

 

[0121stockpicker]

Was their there much if a backlash by gun owners when the federal assault weapons ban was passed last decade. I just don't remember this much controversy?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

If isn't possible why do we have military contingencies for just that possibility?

 

[releventchair]

We played peek a boo up north quite a while with Russia.
Also Japan had feet on ground close enough to count.
Cells proven to exist as well from other nations.
Not a lot of bodies required to create havoc with certain chemicals,once major havoc under way and population weakened or subdued then numbers of invading force becomes a factor. Shock opponents and soften them up first.
Never say never,there is always a chance of a way. Hedge your bets.

 

[0121stockpicker]

If isn't possible why do we have military contingencies for just that possibility?

We have contingencies for everything. That's the definition of a contingency. We have contingencies for UFO invasion. I will tell you that land invasion is down on the list with space alien invasion.

 

[Red James Cash]

The first part,unit, of any invading force is the socalled fifth column.You wouldnt even know they were here until the time came.