need some expertise on a old structure, possible well??? INDIAN??? LOOK

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i have been meaning to get some pictures up of this, i found this when i was about 16. now there is another one of these i also stumbled upon when i was younger, about 8 miles away. both located at the base of foothills. both eroded the same way. both located right above a ravine. they were made with natural stone from the area. the " bottom" has a red material, clay? at this particular location i browsed around and found no evidence of a foundation. im wondering what they are, probally a well. why located where they are, at base of foothills, on the hills themselves. who possible made them, ranchers? indians? early explorers? and how old are they? the erosion you can see for yourself. now these are in the desert southwest. not much rain comes by here. lets hear your opinions.
 

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OK, ok

My final say in the matter ;)

Artesian Well. There must have be a hole in the bottom that is covered up.

Due to the situation of mountains in NM, I think this theory is the most logical. Also, if you look at the wide view pic of the area, most of the "greenery" is in the area of the rocks and below.

See below to see how it works...


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Artesian Well - deep drilled well through which water is forced upward under pressure. The water in an artesian well flows from an aquifer, which is a layer of very porous rock or sediment, usually sandstone, capable of holding and transmitting large quantities of water. The geologic conditions necessary for an artesian well are an inclined aquifer sandwiched between impervious rock layers above and below that trap water in it. Water enters the exposed edge of the aquifer at a high elevation and percolates downward through interconnected pore spaces. The water held in these spaces is under pressure because of the weight of water in the portion of the aquifer above it. If a well is drilled from the land surface through the overlying impervious layer into the aquifer, this pressure will cause the water to rise in the well. In areas where the slope of the aquifer is great enough, pressure will drive the water above ground level in a spectacular, permanent fountain. Artesian springs can occur in similar fashion where faults or cracks in the overlying impervious layer allow water to flow upward. Water from an artesian well or spring is usually cold and free of organic contaminants, making it desirable for drinking. In North America, the Dakota sandstone provides aquifers for an artesian system that underlies parts of the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, and Saskatchewan and supplies great quantities of water to the dry Great Plains region. Many East Coast cities derive their water supplies from aquifers that are exposed along the edge of the Piedmont and dip downward toward the Atlantic coast. The largest artesian system in the world underlies nearly all of E and S Australia. Other important artesian systems serve London, Paris, and E Algeria.

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Bottom diagram is Brunswick, GA

Example of an aquifer system with artesian wells
The diagram below shows the aquifer system near Brunswick, Georgia, as it was before development of the Floridan aquifer system in the 1880’s. The aquifer system was under artesian conditions and the pressure in the aquifer system was great enough that wells flowed at land surface throughout most of the coastal area. In some areas, pressure was high enough to elevate water to multi-story buildings without pumping. The artesian water level (potentiometric surface) was about 65 feet above sea level at Brunswick. Ground water discharged naturally to springs, rivers, ponds, wetlands, and other surface-water bodies and to the Atlantic Ocean. Nowadays, ground-water pumping has caused the water level in the aquifer to decline throughout the entire coastal area, with the result that some artesian aquifers no longer have enough pressure to cause a well to naturally flow to the land surface.

I think it must have a shallow water table , because once it got to a certain level in the tank, it probably didn't have enough pressure to "blow" high like a geiser. As long as there was water in it, the tank probably just kept a constant level. This would all make sense as long as water use further down the aquifer didn't use up all of the water that would keep the well at this water level. Once it was used, no more water was avalable and the tank fell apart from erosion caused by the normal rains and weather. After all is is located in a steep area of a hill...gravity worked against it.

If you look at the rocks, you can see where the water level was for the most part (where the minerals leached from the sandstone). The rocks above that level look normal. The funky red looking stuff is probably hardened clay mud. It was probably like the stuff that settles in the bottom of a tub after you give your dog a bath. It was probably soft and gooshy when wet, but hard as a rock when it dries.


Thoose are my last thoughts :D


Burt
 

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The lower area that I depicted in your photo is typical of where a prospector would hunt for gold in an area like that. If a prospector found color (specs of gold) in that low area he would start looking towards the higher/hillside areas to find where the gold originated from. He would immediately be attracted to an area that exhibits erosion, just like where, what looks to me to be a retaining wall.

As we all know, Gold is where we find it.

HH

Edited to add this and the second illustration:
This seems to be a classic Gold mining site that shows exposed and eroded quartz with tailings from prospecting activity. The site looks like it sits just below the top of a knoll, not a very good site to catch runoff.
 

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wow, that was a great breakdown,i feel like i was in school again, thank you. so we will settle with artisian well?!!! so would it be safe to dig down a little bit, or maybe a hazard? as for tailings i can assure you there are none, even tho the pic may give hints of some.
 

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A oven used to make Ceramic?
 

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Native American missle silo,are there any big pointy rocks lyin around ? :D ;D Pretty cool whatever it is !
 

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kieser sousa said:
Native American missle silo,are there any big pointy rocks lyin around ? :D ;D Pretty cool whatever it is !
:D I think you nailed it... :o ;D
 

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Chong, when at the site could you determine if there are any signs of a trail leading to or below the hole as would seem to be the case if its water related. Sheep, cattle, deer and humans surely would have created one. Guess i'm still sticking with prospecting for gold, seem much more romantic.
 

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actually i can recall a trail, a path not for vehicles goin "up" to the hills. hmmmmmm, maybe a mine up there, guess ill have to go on a hike, ill update when i get to it, ill even put UPDATED on the subject ;)
 

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my vote is for something with mining. I have been in the desert southwest and it is littered with mining and mining ruins. Around here in PA you sometimes see things like this, usually near a mining area. The ones around here were limestone kilns.
 

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Is there there other structures nearby?
Dman
 

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not that i found, but i only searched a small radius
 

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I wonder if an old Topo map of that area would indicate springs and mines. I used them in Wyoming to locate springs and even old graves were marked by a cross.
 

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I vote for Indian Grainary ,
kept the mice & rats away from the dried corn, it would probably have a top made of wooden poles.

Fossis................
 

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I know this is a down right crazy idea but have you asked any Native Americans in the area if they know what it might be?
 

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no i havent, good idea tho, i know there have been a few cultures in the area, especially the mongollon??? i think thats what they r called
 

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Have you been to Hovenweep? Close to Four Corners. As part of the defense system the Native Americans built towers that could be stood in and climbed up into to hide and to look out...a type of "blind". The rock work reminds me of Mesa Verde; those of the S.W. needed to store corn, grass seeds and water and to defend themselves. They aren't ovens. In thinking about them being blinds I think of buffalo jumps and sheep traps. If I were on a hunt I'd stand in the blind and wait whilst the others drove the animals below me and then kill them. Or???? Great to ponder. Thanks.
 

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I still think mining prospect retaining wall, it's not even round and I can clearly see tailings.
 

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lol, the inside of the hole is perfectly round, the construction maybe is reinforced thicker in areas. as for the tailings, there are nooooo tailings. we have tons of mining communities in the area. i have explored old mines for a long time. i can spot tailings from miles away, they stick out like a sore thumb over here. sorry but no tailings. the "tailing" u see is erosion, imagine looking at a ravine, or large water carved ditch, that is what you are seeing, that is why this structure is soo visable, is because erosion.
i know a guy who is real good with artifacts from the area, ill see if i can visit him monday, he may know.
 

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