✅ SOLVED Need Identification help :)

[mk4125]

After 2 long days of endless internet surfing I still have yet to find the exact image of what we dug up. This was found in on the shore of Lake Michigan near Mackinac. In my searching the closest I got was that it might be a British tax seal. () But again, have yet to find confirmation in matching the image. Anyone have any insight into this find? Thanks!

 

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[ARC]

Agreed.

 

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[fowledup]

WOW! Congratulations! And thank you Bramblefind for the history lesson!

 

[Scrappy]

I was thinking cloth seal, but the royal thing is a surprise. Great find. I would repost on "today's finds" and see what the peanut gallery thinks of it

 

[ivan salis]

maybe it was for cloth seal used to mark cloth to be used to make royal british military uniforms ...

 

[CRUSADER]

What a great find! Congratulations!

Here is something like it - also a Great Lakes region find- Yours is a slightly different design though. If you go to the linked article there is one that looks to be the same design as yours. It dates to 1603-1649 but also says "these arms were reused during two later periods"

http://www.whattheyleftbehind.com/CLOTH SEAL PAPER 8-2-11.pdf

so I will try to research that too.

Cloth Seal, Georgian Armorial, 1714 - 1800

What confuses me about that article is that the Crown type is not the one used during the Stuart period. Maybe the researcher made a mistake, I'm not sure how you would explain it. To me the Crown looks later.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/.../File:Coat_of_Arms_of_England_(1603-1649).svg

I agree though that it is likely a Cloth Seal for tax purposes (Quantity/Quality), but I've never heard of such large examples & I wonder why that may happen.

 

[ARC]

Revived what is it thread... that may have "more to it".

Funny re-reading old type / thread from the past. heh

Ok now... So... now a re-look at this piece ?

Hmmm

 

[ARC]

Perhaps "size" equates to "better" ?... Royal ?

 

[Bramblefind]

What confuses me about that article is that the Crown type is not the one used during the Stuart period. Maybe the researcher made a mistake, I'm not sure how you would explain it. To me the Crown looks later.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/.../File:Coat_of_Arms_of_England_(1603-1649).svg

I agree though that it is likely a Cloth Seal for tax purposes (Quantity/Quality), but I've never heard of such large examples & I wonder why that may happen.

Are you referring to the Bagseals.org article or the first link? (Cloth Seal Medals (Steve Cox)).

In the Cloth Seal Medals article -- what do you think of Figure 5? (per the author dating from about 1806-1816. (Note - Also found in Michigan!) Here are 2 pages from that research - it also has an illustration of the entire seal design which is pretty neat and I thought I would make it easier for people to visualize so I took a screen shot to attach here.

 

[CRUSADER]

Are you referring to the Bagseals.org article or the first link? (Cloth Seal Medals (Steve Cox)).

In the Cloth Seal Medals article -- what do you think of Figure 5? (per the author dating from about 1806-1816. (Note - Also found in Michigan!) Here are 2 pages from that research - it also has an illustration of the entire seal design which is pretty neat and I thought I would make it easier for people to visualize so I took a screen shot to attach here.

I was looking at Fig. 5, 1806-16 makes much more sense, I wrongly understood the para to the left of it.

 

[mk4125]

That's what I love about this site - the details matter and you all are a wealth of knowledge.

P.S. I could not locate this thread from a couple years back and never really felt like I had all the info on what this items was / is. All of this helps.