Need help with a map

[Turbo21]

I picked up this map at goodwill today for $4

Says it's a historical of Nantucket from 1869

I can't tell if it's a repro or not. Taking the back of the frame off and looking at the paper and man does it look old. Doesn't look like any modern port I have seen and I used to be a service manager for a copier company for 12 years so I have seen a lot of paper lol


I have found one site that has one for $5400


https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/w...gclid=CNnUvcDMi9QCFZiEswoddSEOgQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

but it has no color. I can not find another color one any where. What do you think can someone help me out a price on this map?

 

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[Turbo21]

Your photo may not be good enough for anyone here to make a determination. It has a reflection and we cant read the print especially in the corners. There are many copies of this map. Here is one that even looks old. https://www.redbubble.com/people/br...ster&rbs=4a2caca6-3f4e-47bb-9e98-1f4fff65605a
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EDIT: Actually its a modern copy made to look old.

I can take it out of the frame on Tuesday and take some better pictures (hanging on my wall at work-3 day weekend)

 

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[Blak bart]

You should P.M. ARCC. He has an unbelievable collection of maps, and charts. He knows an awful lot on the subject, and may be of help to you. Im surprised he hasn't posted yet. Most of the time he will help if he can.

 

[Turbo21]

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[Drake1596]

I picked up this map at goodwill today for $4

Says it's a historical of Nantucket from 1869

I can't tell if it's a repro or not. Taking the back of the frame off and looking at the paper and man does it look old. Doesn't look like any modern port I have seen and I used to be a service manager for a copier company for 12 years so I have seen a lot of paper lol


I have found one site that has one for $5400


https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/w...gclid=CNnUvcDMi9QCFZiEswoddSEOgQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

but it has no color. I can not find another color one any where. What do you think can someone help me out a price on this map?

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Through my research and a friend in a local museum that specializes in maps came to the conclusion that it's a repo....great one though. For the age the material is still lighter than should be and it would be more yellow.

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[Turbo21]

Through my research and a friend in a local museum that specializes in maps came to the conclusion that it's a repo....great one though. For the age the material is still lighter than should be and it would be more yellow.

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I will take another pic tomorrow that represents the color better. This thing is really yellow. Not saying it changes anything but will post one up

 

[coinman123]

Maybe because at the time they were considered property and not people Just a guess

I thought that in 1865, after the slaves were freed, they were considered part of the population. Good guess though, you could be right, it could have been in the 1870's when they were included in censuses.

 

[coinman123]

When I printed out a deed from the 1700's (that I thought was to my house, but was really a neighbors') I dipped in in strong coffee, making it almost impossible to tell if it is new or not. This may sound weird, but if you smell it and it smells like chemicals (I doubt they used coffee to make a map that nice look old) then that means it might be fake. If it smells like old paper (sniff a very old book to compare) then it is likely older unless they did an incredible job faking it.

I have a handwritten stock certificate from 1869, and it is very lightly colored, but I am positive it is real (even has revenue stamp with cancellation saying April 1869). Paper color is not the best way to determine authenticity. I also have a 1919 map of historic Boston that is very similar to your map.

 

[Oddjob]

Did not bother reading any other post; I do collect books, paper, folios, manuscripts and maps. I have the second largest private collection in Europe.

The deal with most good good paper finds is you get them cheap because no one knows what they have.

This map is not old at all, 4 bucks you might get a little more out of it. It is a map of the Historical, meaning it is depicting another time and not the time it was printed.

Maybe you can get 10 bucks out of it, but looks like you will sit on it a while. 4 bucks is not high and not low, its just normal.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Did not bother reading any other post; I do collect books, paper, folios, manuscripts and maps. I have the second largest private collection in Europe.

The deal with most good good paper finds is you get them cheap because no one knows what they have.

This map is not old at all, 4 bucks you might get a little more out of it. It is a map of the Historical, meaning it is depicting another time and not the time it was printed.

Maybe you can get 10 bucks out of it, but looks like you will sit on it a while. 4 bucks is not high and not low, its just normal.

Did you look at the link of the one that is priced at over $5000. Whats up with that?

 

[Oddjob]

Yes I did, it reminded me of a small poster I once saw priced for 90K. It was a Drexler & Hitler debate poster and at the top it said Vintage.

It remained on the market at the private sales house in New York for 4 years before someone pointed out what the real debate poster looks like, and that in no way at all would it have ever said vintage.

shortly after word spread very fast, and many started pulling their consignments from that house, and within six months they closed their doors.

You can price anything as high or as low as you like. Couple years ago Diggumup (user here) pointed out book link sale in a thread that I had brought up. I already owned two copies of this book, one I paid 11K for and the other 7K for; he basically said that it was high priced in so many words and posted a link for 3300 bucks.

It was pennies, and USD at that; I could not help my self and I purchased it straight away. Its condition was in far better shape than the two I owned. So I sold the lesser of the two I owned to another collector for 8200 Euro.

Now lets talk about how Insurance companies values paper; if you own something they deem priceless and it is the last one in existence. That means it is worth 10K if it is damaged, destroyed, lost or stolen. Such would be like the Mainzer or Megeler; I own the last known Megeler and I have seen 3 of the known Mainzers. 10K; 2 of the Mainzers where passed down through family to the owners, the other I watched sell for 18 Million USD to a US Congressman back in 2006. 10K is one reality though.

Investing in books can be fruitless, but collecting them is amazing. Many you get for pennies compared to what they sell for, some sell way over priced.

They are much like bicycles, (also a hobby of mine) worth alot to some and nothing but transportation to others. If you are in it for the passion then great you will always be a winner but if it is just an investment then you really better know your stuff. I raced a person last year in Switzerland with his 49K Trek and left him in the dust with my 12K rig. He actually said that he thought that the bike was 90% of the race. LOL Poor investment for that full time banker trying to win a qualifier.

Did you look at the link of the one that is priced at over $5000. Whats up with that?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Yep I know Diggumup live here in South Florida.

 

[Oddjob]

Not sure where he lives or anything much about him, but I do know that he knows his stuff well enough to point even some of the best collectors in the right direction. I can recall two times he has added links that has helped me out, and when he post other things I make sure I read it just in case it would be useful to me now or later down the line. This site has a few of those folks, heck of a place here, a treasure in its own for sure.

Yep I know Diggumup live here in South Florida.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Yea I think he was here in the very beginning one of the original members when Marc owned the site and everyone pitched in to buy a larger server. And he is good. I actually liked the site much better then. Now its all about advertising and attracting new members. I still check in here every summer. People ask me why I help with the IDs. I figure I learn as much as I help.

 

[Oddjob]

I thought Marc was still the owner.

I like the What is it forum my self, I never know any of the stuff, just for learning though, its fun.

I am certainly not one of the first members at all, but older threads here are the best when they offered up tons of intel, some still do even but I would assume that many that did got sick of certain things and just stopped coming or backed off.

Yea I think he was here in the very beginning one of the original members when Marc owned the site and everyone pitched in to buy a larger server. And he is good. I actually liked the site much better then. Now its all about advertising and attracting new members. I still check in here every summer. People ask me why I help with the IDs. I figure I learn as much as I help.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Marc Austin sold the site and some members were lost but many stayed. i get frustrated with the new site and I actually thought it might go belly up. But its still here and doing fine. TreasureNet was the first site of its kind I believe. Marc found a niche, the site took off and he profited in the end from everyones hard work. But thats life. I think he still checks in, not sure. i havent spoke with him. Jeff of Pa is still here and has been since the very beginning. I remember there wasnt enough room on the server to save old posts but I pushed to get the What Is Its saved. Everything is saved now and yes its a great reference site. Yea Marc was great he listened to everyones suggestions and he jumped on them, constantly making improvements. Suggestions now just get tossed in the trash and nothing will ever improve. I guess they think its perfect and will always be perfect. I think its not user friendly as compared to the old site.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I just talked with my friend he has a Shakesphere 4th Folio stashed away in a safe deposit. Along with some other first editions. Im trying to push him into selling he is getting old and in poor health

 

[Oddjob]

Christie´s would be the place to have that sold, likely it would start off at around 18-22K USD provided it falls under a suitable condition, but if it was in a condition better than most that have gone through it could start off as high as 30K USD.

Ending result, who the heck knows, guess what ever people would pay for it.

I hope he has desiccate packs in that bank box, most banks do not have a dehydration system in their vault rooms. I too keep a few items at our banks, Credit Suisse does have such a system on all their vaults but I still do not risk it and use pellet bags in each corner of the boxes.

I just talked with my friend he has a Shakesphere 4th Folio stashed away in a safe deposit. Along with some other first editions. Im trying to push him into selling he is getting old and in poor health

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Christie´s would be the place to have that sold, likely it would start off at around 18-22K USD provided it falls under a suitable condition, but if it was in a condition better than most that have gone through it could start off as high as 30K USD.

Ending result, who the heck knows, guess what ever people would pay for it.

I hope he has desiccate packs in that bank box, most banks do not have a dehydration system in their vault rooms. I too keep a few items at our banks, Credit Suisse does have such a system on all their vaults but I still do not risk it and use pellet bags in each corner of the boxes.

I havent researched it yet myself because Im not certain he is ready to sell but he says there are only 6 in the world, his is the best shape of all of them. He says he researched it about 15 years ago when one sold for $360,000. He found another, according to a conversation with eBay, that listed with a starting price of $250,000 but the owner pulled it off.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I just did a very quick search Oddjob on the Shakespeare at Christies and I think you are correct on the price range. I will have to tell him the bad news or his memory is going and he may have something mixed up . thanks. 'Holy Grail' of Shakespeare's first Four Folios set to go on sale in London - Telegraph

Sorry Turbo21 to get off subject

 

[P.ALLEN]

Sell it?!!! Use it for sites and recon.