Need Help Iding This Cross

[T Hunter]

This was found in a field of an old Homestead 1700s ? Any idea of age Thanks for the help . Have other pics if needed .Mark

 

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[Messick81]

i will try to find some way to get a phot,but it will be difficult because the jewler had to magnafi to 30 power to identify that there is a lot of blue discoloration in the glass. i will try in the next couple of days

 

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[ivan salis]

oh the hair before photography is that hair was used long before photos ever came on the scene -- now of course as you say --it could be a hair and photo * combo or even a locket of hair used "old school" style after the age of photography came into being ---I will grant you that point --- but once photographs came on the scene "photo lockets" tended to push out the hair lockets in general in popularity --although some folks used both photo and hair I'm sure and some folks (most likely poor folks -- or someonre that wanted a "phyiscal part" of a loved one ) I 'm sure still used hair in their lockets "old school" style -- however photo lockets were the most common type during the time frane when photography be came popular .

I'm just a bit more prone to think of hair lockets as being more pre photographic era. say 1850 or earlier

we both think about a 1850 era time frame would fit -- me as a top end --you as a low end

 

[BuckleBoy]

i will try to find some way to get a phot,but it will be difficult because the jewler had to magnafi to 30 power to identify that there is a lot of blue discoloration in the glass. i will try in the next couple of days

Usually locks of hair are fairly visible. (see examples posted above) Are you sure it is hair? Could it be tiny roots that had grown between the glass and the gold backing? And what happened to T Hunter? Did he find the cross, or did you?

 

[BuckleBoy]

oh the hair before photography is that hair was used long before photos ever came on the scene -- now of course as you say --it could be a hair and photo * combo or even a locket of hair used "old school" style after the age of photography came into being ---I will grant you that point --- but once photographs came on the scene "photo lockets" tended to push out the hair lockets in general in popularity --although some folks used both photo and hair I'm sure and some folks (most likely poor folks -- or someonre that wanted a "phyiscal part" of a loved one ) I 'm sure still used hair in their lockets "old school" style -- however photo lockets were the most common type during the time frane when photography be came popular .

I'm just a bit more prone to think of hair lockets as being more pre photographic era. say 1850 or earlier

we both think about a 1850 era time frame would fit -- me as a top end --you as a low end

I think that this piece had a later photo in it--one which has totally disintegrated over time. Obviously there was no tintype or daguerrotype in there. The piece is not broken in any way. The clasp is there, although the front piece was separate (which would tend to support the idea that the ground had been disturbed in some way--and that the piece may not have been at the original strata). My hunch is post-daguerrotype era, but there's no way to know for sure.


Still a great find, but I don't know if there's any way to pin the date down.



I do not think the piece is a 1700s item.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Usually locks of hair are fairly visible. (see examples posted above) Are you sure it is hair? Could it be tiny roots that had grown between the glass and the gold backing?

My lock of hair was tied together with string or something. My find wasnt in the ground. If this helps. I dont have it here with me.

 

[Messick81]

i found the cross and t-hunter was nice enough to take all the photo,s

 

[Messick81]

i did not tell the jewler about the hair he informed me so i know it,s hair,but like i said the blue tint is kinda in the way and i don,t want to clean it yet

 

[Cable]

Why speculate about anything photos or otherwise--getting all worked up for nothing--The final answer will come and when it does everyone will know. If no concrete answer then we can go from there. There is a lot of investigating going on and that takes some time.

 

[DCMatt]

since i found the cross i went back to the field and found a gold ring. took it to club meeting and discovered that it had initals in it the initals are j.m.h or j.w.h we think it may have belonged to john haslets wife her name was jamima we are still checking but i am starting to think this is haslets home site. the museum has narrowed it down to that spot so it looks very good. i had a jweler look at the ring and he said he had never seen a stone like this one. so he looked it up and found out that it,s a moss agate . very neat it looks like a clear stone oval and it apears to have moss under it but it,s in the stone. i will try to grt a picture later today.

I did a little more research. John Haslet's wife was Jemima Mollston Haslet. If the initials are indeed J M H, you could be on to something. She died within months of John's death. As far as John being a Mason, I found no mention at all of his affiliation with the Masons.

I found one reference that said Longfield (the Haslet estate) was in poor condition only 10 years after John's death causing his children to petition the state General Assembly about the situation. John's son Joseph later became governor and died in office in 1823.

I would like to see pictures of the ring and of the GW medalion.

DCMatt

 

[ivan salis]

that type of masonic symbol / emblem's are male in nature --- 4th degree royal arch --york rite --- the females "sub group" of the masons --wives and daughters of masons are known --- as "the eastern star"

 

[Messick81]

the medalion and the ring are on the other post on this site. i do not think the medalion is of the samr time table but the ring probable is. i took it to the state arcives building today and they said it looked like the same era as the cross. they seem to think it was about the mid 1700,s

 

[Messick81]

had another jewler look at the ring and it looks like to him the initials are j.m.h maybe thats a start

 

[IronSpike]

IMO the ring wouldn't shed any light on this item. It may improve the likelyhood of a linkage, but no proofs.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,246807.0.html

A test of the hair lock should be a possible dating tool. No one knows what a hair test would cost? Otherwise old paintings/drawings or some document text connecting the piece to JH would be an option.

Still like the piece without further ID, but can only nominate for banner one time

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

the medalion and the ring are on the other post on this site. i do not think the medalion is of the samr time table but the ring probable is. i took it to the state arcives building today and they said it looked like the same era as the cross. they seem to think it was about the mid 1700,s

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,246807.0.html

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,245652.0.html

 

[beaks]

the stone in that ring is a really nice find

 

[Messick81]

had a person from the government contact me today for info and wanted to know where i found these items the plot thickens. needless to say he still dos,nt know where i was hunting. I think they want to do there own probing.

 

[ivan salis]

which branch "state archies "? or fed "archies" ? --- if it is what you think it is , I bet they are "very interested" I'm sure. very interested in how to get their hands on "your" items

 

[Narthoniel]

Just an idea for you fellas. Suppose the hair in the cross is from 1777, or sometime around that. Could it have been stored safely somewhere, and have been made later, say around the time Buckleboy says the piece resembled?

This is a fascinating find, and I look forward to hearing more details about this as they emerge. Thank you for taking the time to share this with us.
Anthony

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

had a person from the government contact me today for info and wanted to know where i found these items the plot thickens. needless to say he still dos,nt know where i was hunting. I think they want to do there own probing.

Oh my. I wouldnt let them see any more than a pic. You might lose it.

I dont know the laws in your state, but we are not legally allowed to keep anything older than 50 years in Florida. Im not sure about private property. Maybe Ivan, Plehbah or someone else knows the laws.

 

[gemee]

Messick81, who do you think ratted you out to the govt.? Could a DNA test tell if the hair belonged to George?