Mystery At Mountain Lake.

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Who was the person whose final remains -- and possessions -- finally came to light again on Saturday, amid the muddy clods at the bottom of a dry lake?
By Shawna Morrison






PEARISBURG -- He wore a belt with a silver buckle and carried a fancy silver cigarette box, both engraved with elaborate cursive initials that appear to be "SCF."

His old McCreery wingtip shoes had Sullivan's Safety Cushion heels held in place with six nails.

His gold class ring carried the initials "MC" on one side and "CA" on the other, above images of trees carved into the metal. It bore a date on top that appears to signify that it is from the Class of '04 -- most likely 1904, Giles County sheriff's investigators say.

After his bones were discovered Saturday afternoon in the dried-up bed of Mountain Lake, investigators, forensics experts and anthropologists are trying hard to determine who "SCF" was -- if, of course, those were his initials and if the bones indeed belonged to a man.

"It is quite an interesting mystery and a unique case," said Donna Boyd, a Radford University anthropologist who is one of many people trying to piece together bits of information to learn who the person was and what happened to him or her.

One thing is certain: The remains that Timmy Dalton stumbled across as he searched the lake bed for treasures Saturday afternoon did belong to a person.

"There's nothing that looked like a body laying there," Giles County Sgt. Tommy Gautier said Monday. Only fragments of bones, including a rounded piece that appears to be part of a skull, were found, he said. A medical examiner confirmed that they were human, he said.

Dalton said he didn't realize what he had found at first, either.

He and his 14-year-old son, Chris, were combing the lake bed Saturday afternoon for old soda bottles to collect, something they have been doing about once a week for the past couple of months.

Chris called to his dad and told him he had found a pocketknife, a wallet and some shoes.

Dalton said it isn't unusual to find shoes and other items of clothing in the muck. He didn't think much of it until he turned over some dirt and found what he thought was a turtle shell. He then realized it looked a lot like part of a skull.

Chris and Timmy Dalton kept digging around, finding the class ring, the belt buckle, a dime from 1910 and a tooth.

They took some of the items home. But later that day, it nagged at Timmy Dalton that he might actually have found a person and that person's belongings. He called the sheriff's office and handed over to them all the items he had found.

"I just hope that it helps somebody," the still-stunned Dalton said.

Like Giles County investigators, Dalton has been searching the Internet for information about the clues he has, trying to find out more about McCreery shoes and what the initials "MC" and "CA" might stand for on the class ring.

In their Pearisburg office Monday, Giles County investigators were also searching online, but without much luck. They were focusing their efforts on dating the items that were found near the remains so they can narrow their search for missing persons reports.

Some of the items they found were buried underneath chunks of dried mud 6 to 8 inches thick.

The items were all found in an area of about 10 square feet, Gautier said. Based on what they have found, he said, investigators think the person died between 1920 and 1960. Coins found near the remains dated from 1907 to 1920 and included a wheat penny and a half-dollar.

They contacted four dentists to ask about the metal stud that protrudes from the end of the tooth they found. They learned it was a crown, the kind that would have been made in the 1950s or earlier.

Investigators cleaned a key found near the body by placing it in a little foam cup filled with hydrogen peroxide. They were able to make out lettering that signified the key was made by the Norwalk Lock Co., a company that dates to the 1800s.

They've also looked into the history of Mountain Lake and its hotel.

The first hotel, a wooden structure, was built at Mountain Lake in 1855 by Henley Chapman, Giles County's first commonwealth's attorney.

It was bought in 1869 by Herman Haupt, a Union general. He built an addition and had the railroad extended from Christiansburg to Pembroke so his friends wouldn't have to travel to the hotel by horse.

The hotel changed hands a couple more times before it was torn down in the late 1930s. Its owner at the time, William Moody of Galveston, Texas, built the stone hotel that stands today.

When Moody died in 1954, he left the property to his daughter, Mary Moody Northen. She bequeathed it to the Mary Moody Northen Endowment when she died in 1986.

The hit movie "Dirty Dancing" was filmed there the same year.

Mountain Lake has been filled with water for years but is now almost completely dry. The lake periodically dries up, then refills itself.

According to core samples taken by Virginia Tech biologist Bruce Parker and his former students, Mountain Lake has dried up at least six times in the past 4,500 years and at times remained dry for decades.

Investigators said they are grateful that the lake is dry now, giving them the chance to uncover the mystery that could have been mired forever in the bottom of a full lake.

It could take months to determine who the person was, Giles County Sheriff Morgan Millirons said.

"We're turning over every rock that we can find to try to find some information," Millirons said.

Boyd said she will conduct a basic forensic analysis to determine the person's age at death, sex, ancestry and stature in the next week or so.

Millirons said one doctor told him that the bones appear to have been at the bottom of the lake for 30 to 40 years. That number was based on their condition, he said.

Investigators asked hotel officials if they recalled any reports of missing people, but there were none.

"We're going to have to go back to old newspapers and check with some of the elderly people around to see what they remember," Millirons said. "We're just trying to figure out who it is, how long it has been there. And why."
 

The ring looks more like " 'OZ " to me......I guess where it is broken, it's hard to see in the pic. If OZ, could it have been a nickname?

Thanks for posting those links...OMG...that lake really dried up! It's kinda' creepy in some ways and it really makes you wonder know about areas we search in. I bet detecting that would be awesome!!

Kudos to the guy who contacted the police. I hope they find out who it was. I agree with what someone said, prob Mafia related.

I would love to visit that place....totally awesome!!!!

YIS & YIMD,
Annmarie
 

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C.D. Company .... possibly Classic Designs. Only prob, the CONTACT link is not working, can't tell where this company is located. >:(

I'm just grasping for a solution.....
 

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Gypsy Witch said:
Angelo said:
Does anyone have an idea what the ring face characters represent?
Tony
its a number....like apostrophe ' 04 or 02.......
I havent read the whole story yet but could this also be '03? I notice its scratched.
 

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Here are some other pics:
 

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BIGCY....And on the first picture, not a one metal detector. Odd.

Tony
 

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Angelo said:
BIGCY....And on the first picture, not a one metal detector. Odd.

Tony
Tony you're right , need to get someone in there with a PI machine to look for a bullet or other deep stuff. Tony
 

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Angelo said:
BIGCY....And on the first picture, not a one metal detector. Odd.

Tony
I think it would be for the same reason that archies dont use them much because they are sifting everything for clues, whereas we MDers are generally just after the good stuff...
However, a metal detector could come in handy for scanning the outlying areas for a possible bullet, shell casing or gun.
 

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Canadian Army Medical Corps, founded 1904.

Charleston Area Medical Center now known as West Virginia Uni, first medical graduates were awarded degrees in 1904.

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John Powell Nearly Drowns; Saves Girl
The Washington Post (1877-1954) - Washington, D.C.
Date: Jul 29, 1925


Richmond, Va., July 28 (By A.P.). -- John Powell, internationally known pianist and composer, narrowly escaped being drowned in Mountain Lake, Giles county, yesterday while rescuing Miss V.A. Sheppard, step-daughter of James Branch Cabell, author. He was resuscitated only after heroic efforts, Dr. H.P. Hill declared in a telegram to the pianist's friends here today.
 

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The article in the Washington Post mentions authors and pianists' and doctors at this resort. This reinforces my Idea that this was a man of means and could afford to be at this place, so,, why was it not not big news when he went missing??? One thing for sure, he wasn't one of my ancestors ;D ;D ;D. Tony
 

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maybe he wasn't a local type guy -- 1919 prohibition started *-- wise guy rich man / doctor maybe ? or maybe a rich "outsider" messing with a locals wife / daughter and "poppa" wasn't happy about it ? ( --if some called looking into where scf was ---oh mr scf left headed for new york city awhile back -- the lodge owner / local could say * who would be the wizer or prove differantly ?) -- small places like that tend to be clannish --the rich often seem to think the "female help" are playthings --the locals hate the folks they serve often since they come in woo the their daughters with gee I like you and I'm rich --"let me take you away from this " however once they get what they want the gal is left behind high and dry -- some times the gals get "knocked up" to boot. leaving a kid with no "daddy" to raise behind. -- it why tourist in tourist trap spots are not as loved as they think they are. -- but mouths of the locals are kept closed since the tourist season money is needed by the locals.
 

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Was this boat connected to the remains? :icon_scratch:boat.webp
 

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New clues in the Mountain Lake mystery
Posted Sep23, 2008 at 02:55 PM
Since news broke Sunday that human skeletal remains were found in the dried-up Mountain Lake, people everywhere have been trying to figure out who they belonged to.

A Vinton woman thinks she may know.

The woman, who is in her 70s and asked that her name not be used by The Roanoke Times, remembers her mother telling her that she had two beaus in the 1920s.

She married one of them, who later became the caller's father.

When the other found out, her mother told her and her sister, he jumped into Mountain Lake. His body was never recovered.

The woman couldn't remember the man's name, but her sister told her she remembered that his last name was Foutz and that he worked at Mountain Lake.

Investigators think the initials carved onto items found near the remains in the lake are SCF.

The tip has been passed along to Giles County investigators, who said it's one of about nine they have received today. Most, they said, are reports of people who went missing decades ago.

A new tangible clue turned up today as well, the sheriff's office said.

Hearing about the remains found in the lake bed Saturday, a woman turned in a Waltham pocketwatch she found that day. She found the watch just two feet from the set of shoes that were next to the remains.
 

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Does this lake freeze over in winter? Might explain why the body was never discovered, walk on the ice for whatever reason, thin ice, falls in, over come and gets stuck under the ice, hole freezes up,body gasses escape over winter, body sinks and gets stuck in the mud.

This may also explain the damaged ring, January thaw and the body is semi-submerged with fingers on the surface, refreeze at night when temp drops and expansion cracks the setting.

If the body had been weighted down you would think someone would have found stone/cement/bricks etc near the remains, which could still be there ,buried further down in the muck.


My S.W.A.G. of the day.
 

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It is now a possible suicide.
 

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Going to jump aboard so I can see the updates. Very interesting topic.
 

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If the water was shallow in this area, then I could vision feet getting stuck in mud at first, BUT I can also tell that body was dead when it got stuck no apparent struggle, as shoes are still stuck in the mud bottom. I know I would have tried to get to the top, and just left my shoes laying on the bottom, I think he was wearing some other kind of shoes, such as cement overshoes........NGE
 

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well isnt this an interesting tidbit.... :o

The beautiful lake was formed over 6,000 years ago when rockslides dammed up the north end of the valley, and then underground springs began to fill up the lake. In the 1890s, the Porterfield family bought the land and built a log hotel. Wealthy guests were brought on hacks from the train station, up Salt Pond Mountain, to stay at the hotel.



William Lewis Moody of Galveston, Texas bought the land in 1930, and built the sandstone hotel that now stands and was featured in the movie Dirty Dancing. :o :o :o During the Depression, the hotel got a bad reputation with locals as “Suicide Central.” Guests would check in to a nice room, have dinner, and go back to their rooms to commit suicide. Some staff to this day are reluctant to ender the more expensive suites.

Mr. Moody’s daughter, Mary Moody Northen took over the business after her father’s death, and was a stern, hands-on owner. Some say she could reduce staff to tears with just a disapproving scowl. She died in 1896, but staff today are always under the watchful eyes of her oil portrait that hangs in the library. But she is not contained to the portrait; she often appears in the upper right window of the lower floor, and is known to knock things about when things aren’t going just right. 8
 

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Mystery solved...

"According to newspaper clippings, Samuel Ira Felder, 37, fell overboard as he boated on the lake with his wife and friends late the night of July 23, 1921. Though divers searched for days, Felder's body was never recovered."

rest of the story here...
http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/181168
 

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Strange, I just was wondering today about this thread and up pops this. Thanks Ferrous.

Mike
 

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