My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669* New pics.New camera!

[pepperj]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

Great token and the history behind it all.

 

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[CRUSADER]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

Well Tneters, I don't feel this is going to make the "banner".And truly don't know why! So before I say something that I probably will regret later, I would like to thank all of you who thought as much about it as I did, and voted for it. Even if it made banner now, I think the thrill wouldn't be the same. Looks like something like this would of been at least something for the future Tneters to have known about. Maybe I'm wrong to think this way, but I think it's going to be a shame to just let this slip out of site out of mind.Not trying to stomp on no ones toes. Whats in the banner already deserves to be there, it was voted on by you. But for that matter, I see things right on here this week in my opinion that needs to be there too - 1665 cob pieces,gold cuff links from colonial era, etc. I mean come on now this type of stuff took work, research, and alot of luck to find in my opinion. They don't just pop out all the time and I don't expect them to. Alot is already gone forever, never to be found again,or never to be learned about etc. I think I've held my cool saying this so if I'm wrong so be it.You know sometimes you just feel like you have to say something or you'll bust. Well thats me right now.
Timekiller!

This is the thought I have from a UK specialist:

The Leeds token is scarce, but it is one that I have seen before. If it has been found in the ground in the USA, then it is quite an important find. The surname is rare enough for someone to check the early emigrants lists to see if the issuer actually went to the USA. The tokens found at the Eden House were made by "Ambrose Ambler” – this suggests that more than one token from this issuer was found – very important discovery. The person who lost them was either from Leeds or was Ambrose Ambler himself!

I don't fully understand the US Laws on these sort of finds & what reaction you would get from recording it. However, the following is important (I believe):

Make a rough map of the field you found it in & record where it was found. Always keep this info with the Token.
Try & find the right sort of Historial group that would like to record this for future study, maybe approach the 'The North Carolina Department of Transportation' who wrote the Eden write up (link I gave you).

If others can research & prove it was the issuer himself that would be re-writing history! This needs the resources & expertise of others. Keep going with this one the story hasn't finished & needs to be told.

You have a responsibilty as the finder to do it justice, lets bridge that gap between Archies/historian & us!

 

[timekiller]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

Well guy's I've took a few more pics.Cleaned lens on camera and worked on the token some more.But it is worn or was lightly struck I'm thinking these pics. will be big thought more Kbts might help in detail.If it does good if not good.Just thought I'd give it one last try.Nothing else see the token a little cleaner then I had left it.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,271909.msg1936480.html#msg1936480

I had a 17th C token today (Farthing type) & you will see from the picture (in the middle with the coins etc) that they normally come out 10 times worse than yours. Its in great condition.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

 

[timekiller]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

How do you solve that problem.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

How do you solve that problem.

It's tricky with such a Rare Item made of Bronze I would use a light covering of Olive oil, on Roman Bronzes, I think Cru uses Renaissance wax on Roman Bronzes, but I am not suggesting you do this

Please take further advice on preserving your Token perhaps BB or Iron Patch,could help, Don also has a wide knowledge of Copper coins he could also suggest some way

SS

 

[timekiller]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

How do you solve that problem.

It's tricky with such a Rare Item made of Bronze I would use a light covering of Olive oil, on Roman Bronzes, I think Cru uses Renaissance wax on Roman Bronzes, but I am not suggesting you do this

Please take further advice on preserving your Token perhaps BB or Iron Patch could also suggest some way

SS

Thanks SS.

 

[Nana40]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

Good gosh, what a find!!! How in the heck do you manage to break yourself away from that site?! Time for a camping trip?!! Amazing items you've discovered there, TK! Thanks for posting for all to see!

Many congrats to ya!!!

Nana

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

How do you solve that problem.

It's tricky with such a Rare Item made of Bronze I would use a light covering of Olive oil, on Roman Bronzes, I think Cru uses Renaissance wax on Roman Bronzes, but I am not suggesting you do this

Please take further advice on preserving your Token perhaps BB or Iron Patch,could help, Don also has a wide knowledge of Copper coins he could also suggest some way

SS

I also us Renaissance Wax on 17th Century Tokens like this one. It is Museum quality product (which means you don't have to worry about it harming it) & costs quite a bit but worth every penny. Get the smallest tin you can it lasts for years.
Wax on with a soft cloth, & buff the wax off.
It does make it look a bit shinny but help bring up more detail. (most importantly it protects the token from hand acids & drying out)

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

How do you solve that problem.

It's tricky with such a Rare Item made of Bronze I would use a light covering of Olive oil, on Roman Bronzes, I think Cru uses Renaissance wax on Roman Bronzes, but I am not suggesting you do this

Please take further advice on preserving your Token perhaps BB or Iron Patch,could help, Don also has a wide knowledge of Copper coins he could also suggest some way

SS

I also us Renaissance Wax on 17th Century Tokens like this one. It is Museum quality product (which means you don't have to worry about it harming it) & costs quite a bit but worth every penny. Get the smallest tin you can it lasts for years.
Wax on with a soft cloth, & buff the wax off.
It does make it look a bit shinny but help bring up more detail. (most importantly it protects the token from hand acids & drying out)

I also use it but there's never much to think about because it's usually a gilt button I am coating. I tend not to use it on things I can heat because I find the wax stays too think and glossy. That being said, something should be done. My friend had a rare thin token in a safety deposit box as dug, it was probably worth a few grand and cracked from drying out. The best example is probably pewter buttons, leave them alone and one day they'll fall apart on you.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

How do you solve that problem.

It's tricky with such a Rare Item made of Bronze I would use a light covering of Olive oil, on Roman Bronzes, I think Cru uses Renaissance wax on Roman Bronzes, but I am not suggesting you do this

Please take further advice on preserving your Token perhaps BB or Iron Patch,could help, Don also has a wide knowledge of Copper coins he could also suggest some way

SS

I also us Renaissance Wax on 17th Century Tokens like this one. It is Museum quality product (which means you don't have to worry about it harming it) & costs quite a bit but worth every penny. Get the smallest tin you can it lasts for years.
Wax on with a soft cloth, & buff the wax off.
It does make it look a bit shinny but help bring up more detail. (most importantly it protects the token from hand acids & drying out)

I also use it but there's never much to think about because it's usually a gilt button I am coating. I tend not to use it on things I can heat because I find the wax stays too think and glossy. That being said, something should be done. My friend had a rare thin token in a safety deposit box as dug, it was probably worth a few grand and cracked from drying out. The best example is probably pewter buttons, leave them alone and one day they'll fall apart on you.

I never do the heat up thing. Only wax on buff off. I hate that thick glossy looking coat.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

How do you solve that problem.

It's tricky with such a Rare Item made of Bronze I would use a light covering of Olive oil, on Roman Bronzes, I think Cru uses Renaissance wax on Roman Bronzes, but I am not suggesting you do this

Please take further advice on preserving your Token perhaps BB or Iron Patch,could help, Don also has a wide knowledge of Copper coins he could also suggest some way

SS

I also us Renaissance Wax on 17th Century Tokens like this one. It is Museum quality product (which means you don't have to worry about it harming it) & costs quite a bit but worth every penny. Get the smallest tin you can it lasts for years.
Wax on with a soft cloth, & buff the wax off.
It does make it look a bit shinny but help bring up more detail. (most importantly it protects the token from hand acids & drying out)

I also use it but there's never much to think about because it's usually a gilt button I am coating. I tend not to use it on things I can heat because I find the wax stays too think and glossy. That being said, something should be done. My friend had a rare thin token in a safety deposit box as dug, it was probably worth a few grand and cracked from drying out. The best example is probably pewter buttons, leave them alone and one day they'll fall apart on you.

I never do the heat up thing. Only wax on buff off. I hate that thick glossy looking coat.

If you wax solid finds you should try heating them, works better. I used to use a certain floor wax on buttons, had carnauba, was thin, and left a great, strong, thin, finish. The problem was it gave off very bad fumes when heated so I made the switch to renaissance. It was neither worth the effort or health risk to coat a button!

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

How do you solve that problem.

It's tricky with such a Rare Item made of Bronze I would use a light covering of Olive oil, on Roman Bronzes, I think Cru uses Renaissance wax on Roman Bronzes, but I am not suggesting you do this

Please take further advice on preserving your Token perhaps BB or Iron Patch,could help, Don also has a wide knowledge of Copper coins he could also suggest some way

SS

I also us Renaissance Wax on 17th Century Tokens like this one. It is Museum quality product (which means you don't have to worry about it harming it) & costs quite a bit but worth every penny. Get the smallest tin you can it lasts for years.
Wax on with a soft cloth, & buff the wax off.
It does make it look a bit shinny but help bring up more detail. (most importantly it protects the token from hand acids & drying out)

I also use it but there's never much to think about because it's usually a gilt button I am coating. I tend not to use it on things I can heat because I find the wax stays too think and glossy. That being said, something should be done. My friend had a rare thin token in a safety deposit box as dug, it was probably worth a few grand and cracked from drying out. The best example is probably pewter buttons, leave them alone and one day they'll fall apart on you.

I never do the heat up thing. Only wax on buff off. I hate that thick glossy looking coat.

If you wax solid finds you should try heating them, works better. I used to use a certain floor wax on buttons, had carnauba, was thin, and left a great, strong, thin, finish. The problem was it gave off very bad fumes when heated so I made the switch to renaissance. It was neither worth the effort or health risk to coat a button!

OK, you talking about drying out the token & not heating the wax?

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

How do you solve that problem.

It's tricky with such a Rare Item made of Bronze I would use a light covering of Olive oil, on Roman Bronzes, I think Cru uses Renaissance wax on Roman Bronzes, but I am not suggesting you do this

Please take further advice on preserving your Token perhaps BB or Iron Patch,could help, Don also has a wide knowledge of Copper coins he could also suggest some way

SS

I also us Renaissance Wax on 17th Century Tokens like this one. It is Museum quality product (which means you don't have to worry about it harming it) & costs quite a bit but worth every penny. Get the smallest tin you can it lasts for years.
Wax on with a soft cloth, & buff the wax off.
It does make it look a bit shinny but help bring up more detail. (most importantly it protects the token from hand acids & drying out)

I also use it but there's never much to think about because it's usually a gilt button I am coating. I tend not to use it on things I can heat because I find the wax stays too think and glossy. That being said, something should be done. My friend had a rare thin token in a safety deposit box as dug, it was probably worth a few grand and cracked from drying out. The best example is probably pewter buttons, leave them alone and one day they'll fall apart on you.

I never do the heat up thing. Only wax on buff off. I hate that thick glossy looking coat.

If you wax solid finds you should try heating them, works better. I used to use a certain floor wax on buttons, had carnauba, was thin, and left a great, strong, thin, finish. The problem was it gave off very bad fumes when heated so I made the switch to renaissance. It was neither worth the effort or health risk to coat a button!

OK, you talking about drying out the token & not heating the wax?

I'm talking about either heating an item in wax then removing it, or applying the wax, then heating to thin it out, so (for lack of a better term) it attaches better.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

How do you solve that problem.

It's tricky with such a Rare Item made of Bronze I would use a light covering of Olive oil, on Roman Bronzes, I think Cru uses Renaissance wax on Roman Bronzes, but I am not suggesting you do this

Please take further advice on preserving your Token perhaps BB or Iron Patch,could help, Don also has a wide knowledge of Copper coins he could also suggest some way

SS

I also us Renaissance Wax on 17th Century Tokens like this one. It is Museum quality product (which means you don't have to worry about it harming it) & costs quite a bit but worth every penny. Get the smallest tin you can it lasts for years.
Wax on with a soft cloth, & buff the wax off.
It does make it look a bit shinny but help bring up more detail. (most importantly it protects the token from hand acids & drying out)

I also use it but there's never much to think about because it's usually a gilt button I am coating. I tend not to use it on things I can heat because I find the wax stays too think and glossy. That being said, something should be done. My friend had a rare thin token in a safety deposit box as dug, it was probably worth a few grand and cracked from drying out. The best example is probably pewter buttons, leave them alone and one day they'll fall apart on you.

I never do the heat up thing. Only wax on buff off. I hate that thick glossy looking coat.

If you wax solid finds you should try heating them, works better. I used to use a certain floor wax on buttons, had carnauba, was thin, and left a great, strong, thin, finish. The problem was it gave off very bad fumes when heated so I made the switch to renaissance. It was neither worth the effort or health risk to coat a button!

OK, you talking about drying out the token & not heating the wax?

I'm talking about either heating an item in wax then removing it, or applying the wax, then heating to thin it out, so (for lack of a better term) it attaches better.

OK, I prefer not to use that method, as I said before I hate the finish it leaves. Never had a problem with these tokens & many I have no wax on at all. I keep it simple, let the token dry out naturally (after drying with tissue) at room temp. they rub on the wax straight from the tin & buff it off. Might not be as effective as the proper way but I prefer the finish & have never seen any problems.
I just emailed a 17th C token collector for his thoughts, I will update later.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

How do you solve that problem.

It's tricky with such a Rare Item made of Bronze I would use a light covering of Olive oil, on Roman Bronzes, I think Cru uses Renaissance wax on Roman Bronzes, but I am not suggesting you do this

Please take further advice on preserving your Token perhaps BB or Iron Patch,could help, Don also has a wide knowledge of Copper coins he could also suggest some way

SS

I also us Renaissance Wax on 17th Century Tokens like this one. It is Museum quality product (which means you don't have to worry about it harming it) & costs quite a bit but worth every penny. Get the smallest tin you can it lasts for years.
Wax on with a soft cloth, & buff the wax off.
It does make it look a bit shinny but help bring up more detail. (most importantly it protects the token from hand acids & drying out)

I also use it but there's never much to think about because it's usually a gilt button I am coating. I tend not to use it on things I can heat because I find the wax stays too think and glossy. That being said, something should be done. My friend had a rare thin token in a safety deposit box as dug, it was probably worth a few grand and cracked from drying out. The best example is probably pewter buttons, leave them alone and one day they'll fall apart on you.

I never do the heat up thing. Only wax on buff off. I hate that thick glossy looking coat.

If you wax solid finds you should try heating them, works better. I used to use a certain floor wax on buttons, had carnauba, was thin, and left a great, strong, thin, finish. The problem was it gave off very bad fumes when heated so I made the switch to renaissance. It was neither worth the effort or health risk to coat a button!

OK, you talking about drying out the token & not heating the wax?

I'm talking about either heating an item in wax then removing it, or applying the wax, then heating to thin it out, so (for lack of a better term) it attaches better.

OK, I prefer not to use that method, as I said before I hate the finish it leaves. Never had a problem with these tokens & many I have no wax on at all. I keep it simple, let the token dry out naturally (after drying with tissue) at room temp. they rub on the wax straight from the tin & buff it off. Might not be as effective as the proper way but I prefer the finish & have never seen any problems.
I just emailed a 17th C token collector for his thoughts, I will update later.

You're not quite following me. The reason you heat it is to have the wax more absorbed leaving a less thick and glossy finish.

Also, I did not say I would wax that token, or any in fact. If one was extremely dry and thin I would do something, but can't say what because it would have to be in front of me, and I'd need more thought. I do have several early brass military which I have left as is after cleaning and they don't appear any worse than the day I found them. (other than looking dry)

PS... Another option for the token could be light oil and permanently encapsulated. Again I'd need to be in the position with the find in front of me to decide.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

You might want to stop that Token from drying out any more :P or you could loose more of the detail and you don't want that on a Rare find

looks as if some of the Patina is flaking off

SS

How do you solve that problem.

It's tricky with such a Rare Item made of Bronze I would use a light covering of Olive oil, on Roman Bronzes, I think Cru uses Renaissance wax on Roman Bronzes, but I am not suggesting you do this

Please take further advice on preserving your Token perhaps BB or Iron Patch,could help, Don also has a wide knowledge of Copper coins he could also suggest some way

SS

I also us Renaissance Wax on 17th Century Tokens like this one. It is Museum quality product (which means you don't have to worry about it harming it) & costs quite a bit but worth every penny. Get the smallest tin you can it lasts for years.
Wax on with a soft cloth, & buff the wax off.
It does make it look a bit shinny but help bring up more detail. (most importantly it protects the token from hand acids & drying out)

I also use it but there's never much to think about because it's usually a gilt button I am coating. I tend not to use it on things I can heat because I find the wax stays too think and glossy. That being said, something should be done. My friend had a rare thin token in a safety deposit box as dug, it was probably worth a few grand and cracked from drying out. The best example is probably pewter buttons, leave them alone and one day they'll fall apart on you.

I never do the heat up thing. Only wax on buff off. I hate that thick glossy looking coat.

If you wax solid finds you should try heating them, works better. I used to use a certain floor wax on buttons, had carnauba, was thin, and left a great, strong, thin, finish. The problem was it gave off very bad fumes when heated so I made the switch to renaissance. It was neither worth the effort or health risk to coat a button!

OK, you talking about drying out the token & not heating the wax?

I'm talking about either heating an item in wax then removing it, or applying the wax, then heating to thin it out, so (for lack of a better term) it attaches better.

OK, I prefer not to use that method, as I said before I hate the finish it leaves. Never had a problem with these tokens & many I have no wax on at all. I keep it simple, let the token dry out naturally (after drying with tissue) at room temp. they rub on the wax straight from the tin & buff it off. Might not be as effective as the proper way but I prefer the finish & have never seen any problems.
I just emailed a 17th C token collector for his thoughts, I will update later.

You're not quite following me. The reason you heat it is to have the wax more absorbed leaving a less thick and glossy finish.

Also, I did not say I would wax that token, or any in fact. If one was extremely dry and thin I would do something, but can't say what because it would have to be in front of me, and I'd need more thought. I do have several early brass military which I have left as is after cleaning and they don't appear any worse than the day I found them. (other than looking dry)

PS... Another option for the token could be light oil and permanently encapsulated. Again I'd need to be in the position with the find in front of me to decide.

OK, got you I know what you mean about close inspection, but my guess from the picture, is it will hold up OK without further bother. I'll be interested to see what my friend come back with Whatever happens, the finder has to be 100% confortable before trying anything. Never good to 'practice' on your best find. But you know all this, just giving TK something to consider.

 

[IronSpike]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

Good and helpful points on preservation of this awesome token I know the banner still works and not broke. How come this one not up there yet

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: My Oldest Token/Coin Yet!!!!!! *1669*

Good and helpful points on preservation of this awesome token I know the banner still works and not broke. How come this one not up there yet

Yeah seriously!

You have better odds of winning the lottery. Many would find it hard to believe these even made it to the US, they would be as good as worthless. Although as suggested, they were desperate for any coin looking object.