🥇 BANNER my best silver yet 1800 draped bust dime

[Tony12100]

UPDATE! NGC coin grade has arrived...AU details Stained. 2662135-001

So tonight after work I grabbed the 3030 and braved the tick and fly infested forest that I enjoy hunting. I invested in a head bug net. Great purchase it worked very well. So I got to detecting and it wasn't to long before I got a nice silver hit. Dug this awesome 1800 draped bust dime. Wow! I can't stop looking at it. Was a few other flat buttons and what looked like a worn to the flat draped half cent copper.

 

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[46Wheat]

Awesome coin

 

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[treblehunter]

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Congrats Tony, who cares if they don't believe you. I remember your other cool old finds. I was so jealous thinking you live so near me (probably) I know how hard it is to get a good colonial permission near me and a permission that has never been detected in the last forty years, over and over. The banner has no value as that time you spent digging one of the most sought out coins that we all would love to dig. Your banner will come back slabbed from the NGC!

 

[Bartek]

Sweetness!!! They do exist!! That's my motivation, one day!

 

[Dirtwisher]

Even if you can't do it - get somebody to take some GOOD pictures of this coin - get it off the dark wood background too (red or blue behind it will show it better ) This is one seriously amazing find , and it should be up top - Dream find Amigo !

If you have an iPhone, you get much better resolution getting farther away and zooming in, say about 50%. iPhones are not good at taking close ups; the iPhone 5 anyway. Maybe the 6 is better. Just make sure your hand is real steady, you may have to brace it against something.

 

[hogge]

Do you know whether any of the counterfeits of this coin have the same or similar Off-Center Strike? I ask because the O.P's coin was struck off-center! I have seen cast counterfeits where the mold was made from a coin that was struck off-center but you don't see this very often.


Frank

I noticed this also. Another point to look at is the left wing on the reverse. It overlaps the denticles by too much. ANY.....AND I MEAN.....ANY .....Reputable coin dealer would be able to weigh, and determine if this is a TRUE, Davis 2 example of this coin. Can't wait to hear the outcome of this one. If we don't hear an "update" on it.......more than likely you can surmise what the outcome was.

 

[huntsman53]

I noticed this also. Another point to look at is the left wing on the reverse. It overlaps the denticles by too much. ANY.....AND I MEAN.....ANY .....Reputable coin dealer would be able to weigh, and determine if this is a TRUE, Davis 2 example of this coin. Can't wait to hear the outcome of this one. If we don't hear an "update" on it.......more than likely you can surmise what the outcome was.

I can't wait to hear the outcome on this coin as well and am hoping the best for the O.P.! I was looking into examples of other 1800 Draped Bust Dimes that were genuine and counterfeits as well and came across another 1800 Draped Bust Dime found and posted on Treasure Net on Aug. 31, 2009 by 1235CE. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/142052-1800-draped-bust-dime.html While the only Counterfeit I could find with a pic Counterfeit Detection: 1800 Draped Bust Dime does not have the Die Chip in between the "1" and "8" in the Date, the O.P.'s coin and 1235CE's coin both have the Die Chip. While it is possible that the Chinese have created molds of the 1800 Draped Bust Dime that have the Die Chip and it was not removed before the mold was used for counterfeiting, I truly believe that this little detail (Die Characteristic) gives more credence to the O.P.'s coin and 1235CE's coin being genuine. It is often the lack of details and Die Characteristics that the Chinese leave off, remove or overlook when counterfeiting some coins, that gives them away and show that a counterfeit is a counterfeit!


Frank

 

[Tony12100]

I will update all when the coin comes back. Authentic or not. I have looked at many counterfeits on the net. This one does not have any characteristics of a fake. I'm not an expert at fakes but this was dug in a field were I have dug many coins, Including a chain cent. Like I said no expert here but how would the counterfiet makers of colonial days have the equipment to make a perfect fakes.

 

[Ahab8]

I will update all when the coin comes back. Authentic or not. I have looked at many counterfeits on the net. This one does not have any characteristics of a fake. I'm not an expert at fakes but this was dug in a field were I have dug many coins, Including a chain cent. Like I said no expert here but how would the counterfiet makers of colonial days have the equipment to make a perfect fakes.

Tony don't sweat it bud. You made a killer find from a spot that you've pulked lots of early coins from. So you win already. It looks good to me but I'm no expert either. Excited to hear what they say. You've pulked some killer coins bud

 

[doninbrewster]

It's cool even if it's a contemporary counterfeit. Although most of the counterfeits made 200 years ago were bust half dollars, they made other also. It could be a very old counterfeit made during the period. Does it pass the ring test?

 

[Argentium]

In general , how were early or "period" counterfeits made ?- And how would one expect to profit from a counterfeit dime if it
is composed of silver ? (clearly if this were plated it would not have held up this well in the soil - though I've seen Roman ,
coins from the debased period that held up alright for nearly 2000 years )

 

[coinman123]

The details are a little soft, what metal is it? It looks like some type of counterfeit to ne.

 

[Vino]

The raised mark should be on the 1st verticle line in "A' in STATES. Meaning that the crossbar is "on top" of the first line in the "A". (I Think) The weight should be 2.70 GRAMS! EXACTLY! If it ain't......It ain't authentic.

EXACTLY??
Nothing off for wear, or anything
Come on Hogge..

 

[Bubba65]

CONGRATS on the Bust Dime in real nice shape too

 

[doninbrewster]

In general , how were early or "period" counterfeits made ?- And how would one expect to profit from a counterfeit dime if it
is composed of silver ? (clearly if this were plated it would not have held up this well in the soil - though I've seen Roman ,
coins from the debased period that held up alright for nearly 2000 years )

Counterfeits of the period were both cast and made from dies. The profit lied in either using a base metal, lower quality silver or light weight planchet. A lot of people might think that's a lot of effort to go through for not much profit, but look at Machin's Mills. The whole purpose was to counterfeit coppers and they did it by using light weight blanks when striking the coins. The made a whole lot of coins including George II's, III's, Vermonts and NJ's. Many of the NJ's were struck over Connecticut coppers as they were lighter than NJ's and worth less. Also had a friend who used to collect contemporary counterfeit bust half dollars. He had about 200 of them. They made a lot of counterfeit coins 200 years ago.

 

[The Patriot]

That is an amazing finds...congrats...should be a banner find for sure...

 

[Argentium]

Thanks Don , very interesting info . I was aware that there were a lot of early counterfeit Capped Bust half dollars , I had no idea that
the Draped Bust series was counterfeited early as well .

 

[hogge]

EXACTLY??
Nothing off for wear, or anything
Come on Hogge..

How much wear do you see on this coin?? Also.....for the most part......when you see wear on a silver coin, the silver didn't disappear so to speak, it just, more or less, flattens out on the coin. If you want to split hairs......2.68 grams would suffice as being authentic. Also......some counterfeiters were VERY good at making coins and putting in very fine details. ALOT of Chinese counterfeit DOLLARS have fooled PCGS. So there are cft. Morgan and Peace dollars out there, with PCGS labels on them, that ARE indeed Chinese fakes.

 

[Vino]

How much wear do you see on this coin?? Also.....for the most part......when you see wear on a silver coin, the silver didn't disappear so to speak, it just, more or less, flattens out on the coin. If you want to split hairs......2.68 grams would suffice as being authentic. Also......some counterfeiters were VERY good at making coins and putting in very fine details. ALOT and I mean ALOT of Chinese counterfeit DOLLARS have fooled PCGS. So there are cft. Morgan and Peace dollars out there, with PCGS labels on them, that ARE indeed Chinese fakes.

Gotcha. .
I know you know your shttt..
But there has to be some leed way..
And U gave gave it..lol
George

 

[hogge]

CHEERS VINO!!

 

[Steve in PA]

So I guess the reason this coin is not on the banner is the counterfeit question?

I hope that gets resolved soon.