My abbreviated theory for the Knights Templar treasure in Nova Scotia

[franklin]

Would it make a difference in whether you believe it or not?

 

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[ECS]

That is what makes so many of what is posted on these threads questionable.
Believing without a solid foundation based on actual hard facts is not evidence providing proof for many of the one liner statements posted as fact in these threads of which you have done many times over.
If all these claims of Templars, Sinclair, and de Sudeley voyaging to North America were indeed factual, they would be accepted and have written reviewed papers by the professional community of historian academics and scholars.
Instead all this proclaimed "revolution" of known history comes from self published books or niche pulp publishers all written by non historians for profit.
Which brings us this point; if one presents information as fact, one should be able to support that information with fact.
Telling a reader to believe what they will does not provide credibility at all, just makes one question the integrity of the information.

 

[lokiblossom]

While you are conjecturing and not claiming solid proof, why would the Templars sail to Nova Scotia and not Newfoundland or further south along the Eastern seaboard?
The same can be questioned concerning Henry Sinclair?
Those who allege that Ralph se Sudeley made the voyage across the Atlantic arrived somewhere along the New York coastline and maybe up the Hudson River. Why didn't he land at that hot resort spot of Nova Scotia?
All these pseudo books of speculation never really explain the why or reason for the chosen destination.

I "think" Nova Scotia may have been the Viking "Vinland" of the Icelandic Sagas. And no I don't have any proof of that. It could also have been because they thought the Native Girls were pretty. In reality I have no idea why they picked Nova Scotia, although after many trips there I will say it is a beautiful area.
I do know that the clues that came back to France indicate a certain location near Annapolis Basin a site I did visit.

One might ask, why did the Vikings found a settlement further North in a much more desolate location?

Cheers, Loki

 

[Robot]

Vikings...Just Went With The Flow!

I "think" Nova Scotia may have been the Viking "Vinland" of the Icelandic Sagas. And no I don't have any proof of that. It could also have been because they thought the Native Girls were pretty. In reality I have no idea why they picked Nova Scotia, although after many trips there I will say it is a beautiful area.
I do know that the clues that came back to France indicate a certain location near Annapolis Basin a site I did visit.

One might ask, why did the Vikings found a settlement further North in a much more desolate location?

Cheers, Loki

Why fight it...when the current will drop you off...at Oak Island!

 

[ECS]

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Why fight it...when the current will drop you off...at Oak Island!

What are you attempting to claim was "dropped off" at Oak Island, Vikings, Templars, Sinclair, coconut coir, manila hemp ropes, eel grass, message in a bottle, various flotsam and jetsam?
You do realize that ocean currents have several streams that create variables in the flows of the Gulf Stream and Labrador Current, which also meet off of Cape Hatteras, North Carolina with many things dropped off along that coast.

 

[lokiblossom]

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Why fight it...when the current will drop you off...at Oak Island!

Good point!

Cheers, Loki

 

[tinpan]

Hi ,What about migrating marine mammals and sea birds ? Not thought just dodo TP

 

[ECS]

The Knight's even made trips to Onteria (Nova Scotia) in the 12th Century.

You are claiming that after Hugues de Payens formed the Knights Templar in 1119 to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land, that found the time to sail to Nova Scotia in the 1100's?
Where and how do you arrived with this information?

 

[Al D]

You are claiming that after Hugues de Payens formed the Knights Templar in 1119 to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land, that found the time to sail to Nova Scotia in the 1100's?
Where and how do you arrived with this information?

He pulled it out of his @$$

 

[franklin]

You are claiming that after Hugues de Payens formed the Knights Templar in 1119 to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land, that found the time to sail to Nova Scotia in the 1100's?
Where and how do you arrived with this information?

There were 56 years between the formation of the Knight's Templar and the Journey to Onteria.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

He pulled it out of his @$$

Now you lose the ability to post for awhile...

 

[jeff of pa]

He pulled it out of his @$$

alan Has 30 Days in the Hole.

I Made My Warning. I don't Repeat Myself

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

He was not necessarily wrong; just overly indecorous in presenting his observations.

 

[Dave Rishar]

I "think" Nova Scotia may have been the Viking "Vinland" of the Icelandic Sagas.

I disagree, but there's enough wiggle room in the interpretation of the Sagas to allow for this possibility. Barring a very lucky archaeological discovery, we'll probably never know exactly where Vinland was. It's a real shame.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Newfoundland is much more likely the "Vinland" of Norse sagas; as that is where the archeologists have found evidence of Norse activity from around 900 to 1,000 AD.

 

[lokiblossom]

Newfoundland is much more likely the "Vinland" of Norse sagas; as that is where the archeologists have found evidence of Norse activity from around 900 to 1,000 AD.

Except that Newfoundland didn't have the vines and the grapes, whereas, a little further South and before the Little Ice Age Nova Scotia or New Brunswick would have fit the bill. Not probably worth a discussion, but its my opinion.

Cheers, Loki

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

The Frost Grape (Vitis riparia) is native as far north as Quebec; and also Nova Scotia. Which is is the western border of Newfoundland, and the grape is found there as well. There are several other northern wild grapes.

The Frost Grape was even use by the French to strengthen their vines from fungal infections.

You're also assuming the "vin" of Vinland refers to a grape-based wine rather than other fermentables. What were the naive grapes of Norway and Sweden in 1,000 AD?

We seldom picture a Big 'ol Dane with iron mounted helm quaffing Merlot from a silver-banded drinking horn.

The same root of "Vinland" gave us vinegar (vyn egre: "sour wine"). Vinegar is made from many things other than grapes.

 

[lokiblossom]

The Frost Grape (Vitis riparia) is native as far north as Quebec; and also Nova Scotia. Which is is the western border of Newfoundland, and the grape is found there as well. There are several other northern wild grapes.

The Frost Grape was even use by the French to strengthen their vines from fungal infections.

You're also assuming the "vin" of Vinland refers to a grape-based wine rather than other fermentables. What were the naive grapes of Norway and Sweden in 1,000 AD?

We seldom picture a Big 'ol Dane with iron mounted helm quaffing Merlot from a silver-banded drinking horn.

The same root of "Vinland" gave us vinegar (vyn egre: "sour wine"). Vinegar is made from many things other than grapes.

All good points Charlie!

My point would be that to name an area Vinland if it did mean lots of grapevines, they would have to be extremely abundant.

Cheers, Loki

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

It had been long assumed Eric meant grapes or grape vines for his calling it "Vinland". Literally "Land of Wine". But the Old Norse word for grape was "vinber" and grape vine was "vínviðr" (would sound like "vinviedr" - good luck).

So if he meant land of grapes or land of grapevines he, logically, would have called in "Vinberland" or "Vínviðrland" instead of "Vinland". Grapes are not really a Scandanavian thing, but any fruit makes wine. Apples, cherrys, raspberries and currents, gooseberrys, etc.

And who knows? The Shetland Islands (Norse for "Hilt Land") above Scotland was likely not named because hilts were found there. But, perhaps, because at that point the raiders grabbed their hilts. So Wine Land may have been named because it's time to break out the wine and celebrate if you survived that trip!

 

[lokiblossom]

It had been long assumed Eric meant grapes or grape vines for his calling it "Vinland". Literally "Land of Wine". But the Old Norse word for grape was "vinber" and grape vine was "vínviðr" (would sound like "vinviedr" - good luck).

So if he meant land of grapes or land of grapevines he, logically, would have called in "Vinberland" or "Vínviðrland" instead of "Vinland". Grapes are not really a Scandanavian thing, but any fruit makes wine. Apples, cherrys, raspberries and currents, gooseberrys, etc.

And who knows? The Shetland Islands (Norse for "Hilt Land") above Scotland was likely not named because hilts were found there. But, perhaps, because at that point the raiders grabbed their hilts. So Wine Land may have been named because it's time to break out the wine and celebrate if you survived that trip!

My source for my own opinion is from Adam of Bremen's implication c.1075 that the name Vinland refers to an area of actual grapevines, his own source being King Svend Estridsson of Denmark. It was also claimed in the Sagas that there were at least two areas one of which was a summer site of large trees and grapevines. I certainly agree that this is all conjecture until more evidence is found, but the original site of L'anse aux Meadows did prove at least part of the sagas.

Cheers, Loki