Morgan Dollar fake or real

[gabriel101101]

 

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[old digger]

Being real or fake, it looks like someone polished it, thus ruining it.

 

[Jason in Enid]

looks like a plated brass fake. have you weighed it to compare it to the weight of a real coin?

 

[mcl]

looks like a plated brass fake. have you weighed it to compare it to the weight of a real coin?

Just for anyone who isn't aware, this is a better way to tell if a coin is fake than if it is real. If the weight doesn't match and it isn't significantly worn/damaged, then it's fake. But merely having the correct weight is no longer a confirmation that it's real unfortunately. Chinese fakers in the last decade have become skilled at creating non-magnetic alloys with weights close to silver. They make the coin out of that and electroplate it with silver, thus making size, weight, and silver tests all have the potential for false positives now. If it fails any of those tests, obviously it's fake. But even if it passes, if you suspect it may be fake, you'll need to check for other signs of counterfeiting (e.g., edge seams, small details on the coin not looking right, etc).

 

[diggummup]

Besides the obvious brassy color on the high points, It appears to be a cast fake if you look closely at the details. If it were real, even in scrubbed condition it would be worth a lot more than melt value. It's a definite fake.

 

[Nitric]

Here's a pic of a tray of bad fakes, none of them or good!!

Just to give you an idea of the look...Most of these were easy to pick out,are older fakes, some won't fit in a tighter tube with other silver dollars, The dia, is just a little bigger, and of course these are bad fakes so there are other obvious signs. Click on the picture two or three times and you can see the details on some of them.

 

[smokeythecat]

I would be the first one taken......

 

[mcl]

Here's a pic of a tray of bad fakes, none of them or good!!

Out of curiosity, how did you end up with so many fakes?

 

[steelheadwill]

Just for anyone who isn't aware, this is a better way to tell if a coin is fake than if it is real. If the weight doesn't match and it isn't significantly worn/damaged, then it's fake. But merely having the correct weight is no longer a confirmation that it's real unfortunately. Chinese fakers in the last decade have become skilled at creating non-magnetic alloys with weights close to silver. They make the coin out of that and electroplate it with silver, thus making size, weight, and silver tests all have the potential for false positives now. If it fails any of those tests, obviously it's fake. But even if it passes, if you suspect it may be fake, you'll need to check for other signs of counterfeiting (e.g., edge seams, small details on the coin not looking right, etc).

Of course you're discriminating detector will also give you Clues as to metallic content

 

[mcl]

Of course you're discriminating detector will also give you Clues as to metallic content

Lucky you! Mine can't even tell the difference between scrap rebar and and platinum jewelry.

 

[huntsman53]

If you note that the majority of the lettering and some of the details looks blobby (sorry, I don't know what other non-word to use) and lack crisp details (i.e. the details sort of flow into the fields and do not meet the fields very sharply), then you can tell that it is a fake!


Frank

 

[relic lover]

If the color in your digital pictures is an accurate representation of the look of it I would say it's a plated fake

 

[cudamark]

Looks genuine to me, but, it's hard to tell from a photo. Your lighting may be to blame for the color. It's not a rare date/mm, so, it's not worth a whole lot.....especially with the damage it has. First, I'd do some preliminary tests on it (weight, diameter, magnet, etc) and then head down to my local coin store and get their opinion. Looks like a "good luck" pocket coin to me.

 

[Nitric]

Looks genuine to me, but, it's hard to tell from a photo. Your lighting may be to blame for the color. It's not a rare date/mm, so, it's not worth a whole lot.....especially with the damage it has. First, I'd do some preliminary tests on it (weight, diameter, magnet, etc) and then head down to my local coin store and get their opinion. Looks like a "good luck" pocket coin to me.

I'm not 100% positive because pictures are tough, I wouldn't buy it for 10 bucks based on the pictures alone.(other than to have it as an example) But some of the things that throw me.....The rim doesn't look right, compared to overall wear. That could just be me....But the main thing is the CC. Look at an Known authentic picture of a 78cc. and compare....It doesn't look spaced right, and looks too high or something. Unless there are a couple types. I don't know. I'm no expert on this stuff. I just play around. But the whole thing just looks suspicious.

 

[diggummup]

The reverse gives it away. When fully enlarged on a decent sized screen, you can tell. All Carson City coins are rare. Granted as far as CC Morgans go it's one of the most common, but still a wanted or desirable coin for any collector, if it were real.

 

[jerseyben]

Initially it appears silvered brass, however, I have seen Morgans with patina like this. Especially depending on how it was stored.

1. Check with magnet.
2. Weigh it.
3. Look at the surfaces under a loupe. Do you see a "skin" that is covering a base metal? Or is the discoloration just patina/oxidation?

I'm gonna go against the grain on this one and say don't automatically write this one off as fake yet. The pics you provided are NO WHERE NEAR detailed enough for ANYONE to be able to say for sure. maybe post some better pics?

 

[Nitric]

Unless cc is wrong. Then from there? nothing else matters.......

Will someone that knows Morgans real well, Look at cc ? and compare with a real 78 cc.

Where are you Huntsman you know these inside out, and upside down?

I do agree pics are bad, and I know what your saying about color Jerseyben, I've seen them look that way too, not sure if it's from heat,finger salt,polishes or what, but some will tarnish funny... I'm almost positive cc is wrong for a 78. Notice I played it safe and said almost.

Oh, it has to be compared to a 78 cc, other years are different after a certain date, if I understand it right.

 

[BosnMate]

This isn't a 78, but it shows the CC.

 

[cw0909]

i have question for the morgan/coin experts
how many varieties are there of the 1878 morgan dollar CC MM
looking thru the list and the Gene L. Henry legacy collection
there are some big difs in the CC MM for the 1878


checked some from the Gene L. Henry legacy collection @ bay
1878 CC VAM 6 NGC XF 40 Morgan Silver Dollar Gene L Henry Legacy Collection | eBay

1878 CC VAM 24A NGC VF 35 Morgan Silver Dollar Gene L Henry Legacy Collection | eBay

a list of Gene L. Henry legacy collection
Gene L. Henry | eBay

went to bay and found this list
1878-cc in Morgan 1878-1921 Dollars | eBay

about the Gene L. Henry legacy collection
https://genelhenry.wordpress.com/about/

 

[HuntinDog]

Ok I did a little searching on the web and this is what I found.
I won't say this is real or fake.
I will leave that to be decided by a certified coin dealer with the coin in hand.
First off this coin has the 1879 reverse. I'm not sure that this exists.
Second the "CC" moves around. So this coins CC could be in this spot.
I have Morgans with the same look to them in my collection, so not an unheard of look.
I would love to be able to hold this coin in my hands to help with my conclusion.
Here's some pics of my findings...