More gold discovered, and you wont believe where!

halfdime

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More gold discovered, and you won't believe where!

Lately, I've been scrapping metal for a few extra $; Monday, I took a load of steel and lead and yesterday planned to take copper and aluminum. Before the Cu and Al trip, I had to deal with what I thought was a mixture of copper and aluminum in the radiator portions of an old air conditioner. I assumed that the coils were copper with aluminum fins, so my plan was to melt the aluminum off. Don't worry, the Freon was long gone. I built a fire in my mother's burning barrel and put the radiators on top; it didn't take long to see molten aluminum dripping and pooling underneath the barrel. It was very cool to watch, actually. The fire burned down, the aluminum started to harden and cool, and I began pulling aluminum "shapes" from the ashes. I got a pretty good pile set aside and, because the aluminum was still pretty warm, loaded the pieces into a wheelbarrow. Once things were cool enough to handle (with gloves), I put the aluminum in the back of my truck with the rest of the load. I got down to the point at which there were just little "crumbs" of aluminum and I noticed one of the crumbs was yellow. "Boy, that looks like gold!" I set it aside in a little container for safekeeping and later testing. As it turned out, the radiators were almost entirely aluminum, with only a few small pieces of copper that didn't melt. I took that load to the scrap yard and was happy with the $56+ it netted. As a precaution, I called my mother and told her not to do anything with the ashes from our fire until I had the little yellow crumb tested. Not one to let the grass grow under my feet, I went this morning to a local establishment that buys/sells gold and silver (among other things) and unloaded a few silver dimes and a war nickel. My real purpose, of course, was to find out what exactly my little yellow crumb was. "It's pure gold!" I got $11 and change for it (.2 pennyweight) and headed right over to Mom's. I started gently spreading ashes and sure enough there were more nuggets! There were also a lot of aluminum/gold alloyed pieces, which I might have to play with. It was an incredible sight, finding gold that you didn't even know existed 24 hours earlier. I can only surmise that the radiators had some gold in them somewhere; the only fuel in our fire was some sticks and the soundboard from a 100 year old piano (wood, glue and a few screws). I'll have to do more research, but the second batch of nuggets netted me $228.57; not a bad thing right before Christmas! The picture is the first crumb, posing with a Merc for sizing purposes. I didn't get a picture of the big batch because I didn't have my camera. What an amazing find!
 

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From PBK's posting "Real or Fake:"
All finds posted are presumed to be genuine, and those who post them are to be respected.

I would assume this extends to the story behind the find as well.

See the thing is I didn't say or suggest you didn't find any gold, only where it "didn't" come from ( a melted coin or other ?) Now you, grasping at straws are trying to rewrite physics, yeah, I probably spelled that wrong too, instead of grabbing a life ring, and suggesting another possibility ? like panning fines stashed in the piano, for one. Your reaction says a lot.

PS. I know the rules
 

See the thing is I didn't say or suggest you didn't find any gold, only where it "didn't" come from ( a melted coin or other ?) Now you, grasping at straws are trying to rewrite physics, yeah, I probably spelled that wrong too, instead of grabbing a life ring, and suggesting another possibility ? like panning fines stashed in the piano, for one. Your reaction says a lot.

PS. I know the rules
I really don't know what this means. I can only testify to what I observed; since you are obviously much wiser from afar and know me so well I will have to concede that your argument carries the day. Please elaborate on just what my reaction says. Among other things, I know that I started with a burning barrel and ended up with almost $240 in gold. Pretty neat trick. Maybe next time I'll have to videotape the whole event. Praytell, what is the maximum temperature a wood fire can reach? And did Roosevelt really know the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor?
 

halfdime got some serious greenbacks for the gold crumbles. Nuff said. Perhaps someone dropped a little poke of nuggets into the piano, who knows. Anything can happen.
 

halfdime, As others have stated we know that gold is NOT in ac units. (I worked on them for about 10 years). And the gold wasn't ( i wouln't think in the sticks your mother gathered up, And it was not a part original to the piano.......So Hmmmmmm...........You burn't the stuff and found gold at the end.....I'm thinking out loud here as I don't know, But if someone stashed gold dust in the piano would dust melt at a lower temp. than say a wedding ring? etc. I don't know.
All that I do know is that you found the gold nuggets, Congradulations on that and the extra bucks, Amd I hope you find the answer to this Strange and amazing happening...................................HH
 

Yes it is an unarugeable fact that a wood fire won't melt gold. "hope that's not where you're going" I wasn't going anywhere with this, just trying to help eliminate some possibilities as no one knows the source, You said you didn't, and it "seems" a mystery. However your senerio of "salting the mine" might have some merrit.

Rick,
One who lives in a Glass house should not through stones...........I'm just saying........................................HH
 

...I know that I started with a burning barrel and ended up with almost $240 in gold. Pretty neat trick. Maybe next time I'll have to videotape the whole event.

When you figure out how you did it, please share so the rest of us can get rich too ;)

There is another possibility no one's explored yet: the barrel. What else have you melted down in this barrel? Could the gold nuggets be leftover from a previous smelting project? This blurb from MY research says it best: "A wood fire does not burn at a uniform temperature and the temperature of any wood fire will depend upon the wood, whether or not the wood is dry, and the manner in which the fire is constructed. Wood that is not dry will spend quite a bit of time burning at a (much) lower temperature as the water in the wood boils off and escapes as steam. Once the water has been boiled off, the temperature of the fire will rise. The hottest point of the fire will be when you see glowing charcoal in the middle of the fire. Even then, how a fire has been constructed will affect the maximum temperature reached in the fire. If the fire is densely built, the flow of oxygen to the fire will be somewhat reduced and the maximum temperature consequently somewhat lower than might have been attained. If the wood is just tossed together as sticks, there may not be enough density to actually create a very hot fire. The hottest wood fires come from logs that are stacked closely together with lots of kindling and starter (think grass or paper or other, similar materials) in between the logs. A fire that is built in this manner with dry wood will burn quite rapidly and, consequently, hot. Even then, some parts of the fire will be hotter than others."

Given that, I think the nuggets may either have indeed come from the piano part, or were leftover from previous smeltings. Case closed... in the end, who gives a damn how it got there? Does anyone question the lottery when they win?
 

When you figure out how you did it, please share so the rest of us can get rich too ;)

There is another possibility no one's explored yet: the barrel. What else have you melted down in this barrel? Could the gold nuggets be leftover from a previous smelting project? This blurb from MY research says it best: "A wood fire does not burn at a uniform temperature and the temperature of any wood fire will depend upon the wood, whether or not the wood is dry, and the manner in which the fire is constructed. Wood that is not dry will spend quite a bit of time burning at a (much) lower temperature as the water in the wood boils off and escapes as steam. Once the water has been boiled off, the temperature of the fire will rise. The hottest point of the fire will be when you see glowing charcoal in the middle of the fire. Even then, how a fire has been constructed will affect the maximum temperature reached in the fire. If the fire is densely built, the flow of oxygen to the fire will be somewhat reduced and the maximum temperature consequently somewhat lower than might have been attained. If the wood is just tossed together as sticks, there may not be enough density to actually create a very hot fire. The hottest wood fires come from logs that are stacked closely together with lots of kindling and starter (think grass or paper or other, similar materials) in between the logs. A fire that is built in this manner with dry wood will burn quite rapidly and, consequently, hot. Even then, some parts of the fire will be hotter than others."

Given that, I think the nuggets may either have indeed come from the piano part, or were leftover from previous smeltings. Case closed... in the end, who gives a damn how it got there? Does anyone question the lottery when they win?
The barrel was clean and dry to start; I'd just used it a few days earlier to burn insulation off copper and aluminum wire. This is when I was surprised to find that the aluminum had melted and a little bit of the copper had as well. We cleaned up everything that day to get all the aluminum and copper. The piano wood was very dry, over a hundred years old and under cover all that time. The sticks were dry as well, having been in my mother's garage for months. Things burned quickly. My best guess now is that someone put gold coins in the narrowest of openings, or maybe even loosened a support that was screwed onto the main board and then tightened it down to hide the coins. I'm heartsick that I didn't take the thing apart more thoroughly, especially given my experience finding treasure in old pianos. I'll bet old piano guys have kept this a secret for a long time! I do have a ring marked 10K that I can't sell because it just doesn't look gold and doesn't test well. I may build another fire and see what happens to it. I also have a bunch of aluminum/gold mix that I'll melt and see what happens. It's been a very interesting experience, and none of my posts have ever launched such a firestorm! If I'd found the coin or coins intact we'd probably be looking at a Banner post instead of me having to defend what I know.
 

However it got there Congrats on the AU :occasion14:
Good eye. I test all 'lumps' I can't ID ...

I am the happy finder of a 14 gram lump of melted 14K gold recovered from alongside
the foundation of a burned 18th C home.
Maybe the wind or updraft from the fire got temps over the 1600 at which 14K melts.
Whatever the case, this gold did melt.
Nice Find and HH to ya :thumbsup:
 

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First of all, congrats on finding some gold, no matter where it came from. I've read the posts a few times, and then I had an idea, that I hope is not the case.
You said the sticks were always picked up by your mom when they would fall from the trees. Could the gold have come from a piece of jewelry she may have been wearing, and maybe lost, while picking up the sticks? Just curious.
Again, congrats on the find,

Bill
 

There is a lot of stuff this forum I question ,but I do not feel it necessary to try and prove someone wrong and make accusations or try to artfully write a stab at someone. Read the post for what it is,the man found gold in an unexpected place.Do we or do we not as metal detectorists,bottle diggers,coin roll hunters,thrift store shoppers,etc..always find things in unexpected places? If someone does not believe a find,read it,keep it to yourself,and move on to the next post. This is a treasure/finds/help board,not a Justin Bieber fan site! Congrats on the find,wherever it came from.
 

If a barrel can become almost clear due to heat that's not hot enough to melt gold? I'm asking as I've never melted gold but have stood many hours around a barrel keeping warm.
 

First of all, congrats on finding some gold, no matter where it came from. I've read the posts a few times, and then I had an idea, that I hope is not the case.
You said the sticks were always picked up by your mom when they would fall from the trees. Could the gold have come from a piece of jewelry she may have been wearing, and maybe lost, while picking up the sticks? Just curious.
Again, congrats on the find,

Bill
Mom wears no jewelry. I thought of that, too, but that idea was very easy to dismiss.
 

If a barrel can become almost clear due to heat that's not hot enough to melt gold? I'm asking as I've never melted gold but have stood many hours around a barrel keeping warm.
Even in the daylight, the barrel was glowing; you should see it at night! I had a steel rod in and it was red hot. The bottom of the barrel has a big hole, which allows a lot of air to get in; this raises the temperature quite a bit. We have rain forecasted for the next few days so I won't be burning anything!
 

That's what I was thinking the air flow brings a huge amount of heat. Acts like a jet. I would think With enough air flow you could melt glass. But I really don't know much about it other then when there's holes in the bottom of the barrel and the wood is loose the barrel will look to be clear it's so hot. It may have been the primed osb siding we were burning. I guess the paint and all the glue might burn hotter then just wood. Anyway that's a super neat find. I know that there's precious metals in catalytic converters but I couldn't see there being any in an ac coil.
 

That's what I was thinking the air flow brings a huge amount of heat. Acts like a jet. I would think With enough air flow you could melt glass. But I really don't know much about it other then when there's holes in the bottom of the barrel and the wood is loose the barrel will look to be clear it's so hot. It may have been the primed osb siding we were burning. I guess the paint and all the glue might burn hotter then just wood. Anyway that's a super neat find. I know that there's precious metals in catalytic converters but I couldn't see there being any in an ac coil.
O2 supply is THE factor in what temperature you'll attain from a given fuel.

I've seen melted bottles in ordinary campfires on the ground.

Love that bright yellow nugget, mine was unrecognizable til I filed it.
 

O2 supply is THE factor in what temperature you'll attain from a given fuel.

I've seen melted bottles in ordinary campfires on the ground.

Love that bright yellow nugget, mine was unrecognizable til I filed it.
My guess is, with a solid bottom to the barrel there wouldn't be as much heat. It's all relative, of course; it would still be hot enough to burn me!
 

I'm no expert but I can tell you from experience that the type of wood makes a major difference in the temperature of the fire. I build decks for a living, and we often build decks from an extremely dense tropical hardwood called ipe. The leftover short pieces of 1x6 ipe decking from a job make great firewood, and make for an unbelievably hot fire. I learned the hard way not to burn too many pieces at once, as one fire became so hot that iron fireplace grate became red hot and softened to the point of collapse. We had to throw the grate out. Is it possible that the piano might have been made from a similarly dense wood?
 

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Nice gold finds, halfdime!..and a very interesting discussion that has followed. It sometimes pays to be observant poke around in the dirt and ashes.
Nick
 

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