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That is how he works most of the time . You know you made a win when ECS starts crying foul and trying to get you banned !
Mines, Mines, and More Mines.
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That is how he works most of the time . You know you made a win when ECS starts crying foul and trying to get you banned !
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"Camp Beale" was named for EF Beale...
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Who wrote and published the 1850 BEALE PAPERS, 35 years before Ward's 1885 Beale Papers, which, including the title, utilized some of the information from that earlier work.
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One thing that is neglected by those who attempt to place stories of unrelated mines, Indian massacres, and events as proof for the Beale adventure/treasure narrative, is the fact that they are provided hearsay assumptions by the "unknown author", written in 1884/1885, based upon the alleged Beale"letters" from the 1820's.
These "letters" form the entire core of the Beale Papers, and still their existence is questionable, as their origin and existence is totally based on the hearsay statements by the "unknown author" .
These "letters" form the entire core of the Beale Papers, and still their existence is questionable, as their origin and existence is totally based on the hearsay statements by the "unknown author" .
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The Beale adventure parallels the afore wrung out in topic E.F.Beale of camel corp. fame.
1. Gold discovered (by whom?), and brought from west to east by Beale his-self..
2. Beale name alone ,of course.
3. Wagons/wagon roads..
4.Indian affairs Beale was directly involved with.
5.Treasure. If the biggest private landholding in the U.S. was not a treasure ,what the heck would be?
That holding besides his being a millionaire several times over.
Kinda easy to suggest wealth was gained suspiciously , in print anyway with weak laws of the day ( though only slightly weaker than today's..)
6. Relationship with Kit Carson and other frontier types , plus being a military hero suggests a not being out of place/effective in western enterprises of any nature.
7. ["Beale successfully pursued a personal El Dorado of adventure, status, and wealth," wrote Gerald Thompson. "In doing so, he mirrored the dreams of countless Americans of his day."]
Fodder enough for any dime novelist to wet his/her pen over.
8. [Within the next two years, Beale made six more journeys across the country. On the second of these (July–September 1848), he crossed Mexico in disguise to bring the federal government proof of California's gold. After the fourth journey he married Pennsylvania Representative Samuel Edwards' daughter,]
The journey ,the low profile,gold, East return....more tempting simple fodder for the modern enquirer/tattler/gossip for a few cents rag of the time.
1. Gold discovered (by whom?), and brought from west to east by Beale his-self..
2. Beale name alone ,of course.
3. Wagons/wagon roads..
4.Indian affairs Beale was directly involved with.
5.Treasure. If the biggest private landholding in the U.S. was not a treasure ,what the heck would be?
That holding besides his being a millionaire several times over.
Kinda easy to suggest wealth was gained suspiciously , in print anyway with weak laws of the day ( though only slightly weaker than today's..)
6. Relationship with Kit Carson and other frontier types , plus being a military hero suggests a not being out of place/effective in western enterprises of any nature.
7. ["Beale successfully pursued a personal El Dorado of adventure, status, and wealth," wrote Gerald Thompson. "In doing so, he mirrored the dreams of countless Americans of his day."]
Fodder enough for any dime novelist to wet his/her pen over.
8. [Within the next two years, Beale made six more journeys across the country. On the second of these (July–September 1848), he crossed Mexico in disguise to bring the federal government proof of California's gold. After the fourth journey he married Pennsylvania Representative Samuel Edwards' daughter,]
The journey ,the low profile,gold, East return....more tempting simple fodder for the modern enquirer/tattler/gossip for a few cents rag of the time.
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...and his 1850 journal was called THE BEALE PAPERS and was sold at Ward & Diggs Booksellers of Lynchburg, co-owner, Giles Ward, was James Beverly Ward's father.
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And he is kin to Captain Thomas Beale Sr of New Orleans . Possibly he knew TJB and of his adventure going out west !
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Not likely, because Edward F Beale was born Feb 4, 1822, and his western adventures, except for the US Camel Corps, influenced portions of Ward's 1885 Beale Papers.
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The Beale family and other family's of the people that went out west in 1817 would have known about the Beale party and could have told E F Beale about it at some time in his youth .
Edward Fitzgerald Beale: A Pioneer in the Path of Empire, 1822-1903 This is the book There is no Beale Papers by E F Beale !
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Could have? Don't you know"
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Edward Fitzgerald Beale: A Pioneer in the Path of Empire, by Stephen Bonsal, G P Putnam & Sons ,1912, used the original 1850 The Beale Papers as source material.
There were no 1822-1903 dates in Bonsal's book title.
E F Beale Feb 4, 1822- April 22, 1893.
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Do you have have a link that has a title Beale Papers because all I see is that his name was Beale and he had Papers just like the Col Beale Captain Thomas Beale's Father, the only published name is the 1885 The Beale Papers !
I would imagine all the Beale's that lived had Papers . That is what the Beale Papers represent is Thomas Beale's Papers from 1817-1822 Right ?
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In Ward's 1885 Beale Papers, the ONLY Beale papers are the alleged handwritten "letters" from Beale to Morriss, and the ciphers, but one must accept the "unknown author's" word that these actually existed.
Remember, this "unknown author" placed himself into the story as the first person narrator to create the illusion of credibility to what is presented in the text- the story of Beale meeting Morriss, the locked iron box with ciphers, the letters, and the DOI "solved" C2 cipher.
The writer's skill in contriving this story designed to be believable demonstrates pure ingenuity on the part of the "unknown author(s)".
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These mines were pre 1819....
The dates on the stone maps were 1791.......from the date of the Jesuit expulsion in Santa Fe.....
...AND 1847....the year of Manifest Destiny.......proving two sets of maps were made to look similar and used the same markings as a cover.....
And they are exactly 300 miles from Santa Fe......Exactly.....
They are clearly the mines used in the Beale Papers, below are the dates of the Beale expedition and the stone maps found in AZ......in the Superstitions....home of the fabled Jesuit Mines
We all know that the Jesuits were involved in support of the Confederacy and the KGC after the war.......they even were tied into the assassination of Lincoln
The dates on the stone maps were 1791.......from the date of the Jesuit expulsion in Santa Fe.....
...AND 1847....the year of Manifest Destiny.......proving two sets of maps were made to look similar and used the same markings as a cover.....
And they are exactly 300 miles from Santa Fe......Exactly.....
They are clearly the mines used in the Beale Papers, below are the dates of the Beale expedition and the stone maps found in AZ......in the Superstitions....home of the fabled Jesuit Mines
We all know that the Jesuits were involved in support of the Confederacy and the KGC after the war.......they even were tied into the assassination of Lincoln
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The Beale Papers contain "Authentic Statements" and they are surely a cover story.... or Purser Coding.....
Notice the position of George Beale on the SS Peacock...... he was a Purser...... and the timing is similar as well
George Beale Papers, 1817-1829.
Three "Bank Orders"......
...........or orders from a Banking Mogul........
Two pages of Beale's Accounts......
.........the same as the letters to Robert Morris
....we see the keeper of the "Key" and the Ciphers is Robert Morris...... AKA Rockefeller/Morgan...
.....who were known members of the OAK or Order of American Knights...... a separatist order in command over the KGC
Using these names they confer the message to the intended person ..... Purser is old Hebrew for "Interpretation"
One interprets the Beale using these Purser techniques and sees immediately that JB WARD is a Cartographer......
We then see the dates.....are they dates?
Or distances in mileage.....?
Notice the position of George Beale on the SS Peacock...... he was a Purser...... and the timing is similar as well
George Beale Papers, 1817-1829.
Three "Bank Orders"......
...........or orders from a Banking Mogul........
Two pages of Beale's Accounts......
.........the same as the letters to Robert Morris
....we see the keeper of the "Key" and the Ciphers is Robert Morris...... AKA Rockefeller/Morgan...
.....who were known members of the OAK or Order of American Knights...... a separatist order in command over the KGC
Using these names they confer the message to the intended person ..... Purser is old Hebrew for "Interpretation"
One interprets the Beale using these Purser techniques and sees immediately that JB WARD is a Cartographer......
We then see the dates.....are they dates?
Or distances in mileage.....?
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PERSHER Code...?
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Perser, Persher, Purser......all forms can be used....
One is a Jewish word meaning "Interpretation"
The other is a Templar way of spelling it meaning the same thing...but specifically it relates to a letter with a masked underlying story that fits into a person's recollection of similarities and coincidences that realte to the intended message or them.....
The final spelling is a term for an Accountant on a Ship as they are known......
In the final spelling and in the George Beale Papers we see similarities with the name and his position, and in his papers we see:
Three "Bank Orders"......
...........or orders from a Banking Mogul........the 3 coded ciphers and key
Two pages of Beale's Accounts......
.........the same amount as the letters to Robert Morris
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I would have guessed the Jesuit Priests of that time (18th century and early 19th century) would use distance measurements in leagues and not miles.
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Eldo - I like the Persher/Purser code connection and I like the OAK next generation of KGC connection.
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