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No, you posted an unaudited list from another right wing web site. That is meaningless. I am willing to talk about the universal article only because it comes from a more reliable source. Not that the huffington post is a pillar of journalistic integrity.

Participation rates under 25% are the norm with junk policies.

When these same people asked for higher wages the people you support in congress told them no. But take away their health care? NO! Cut me a break!

Why is Dunkin Donuts not cutting hours, but instead lobbying to get the law changed to forty hours? So they can keep everyone working 39 hours thus saving tens of millions of dollars.

This is about big biz having to ante up more coin to their low paid slave labor force. And the always Pro big business Republicans trying to help their biggest donors. Nothing more!

As for the boarded up homes in Florida- there are no boarded up homes in my neighborhood in NJ.

it is short sighted to look at the vacant houses in your neighborhood, town, county and extrapolate that it must be the same everyplace. it's not!


I posted a link to Investment.com owned by Investment Business Daily that lists over 300, so your saying Investment Business Daily is a right wing rag?

You do realize the same can be said about your comment.

As for the boarded up homes in Florida- there are no boarded up homes in my neighborhood in NJ.

it is short sighted to look at the vacant houses in your neighborhood, town, county and extrapolate that it must be the same everyplace. it's not!

Maybe people in glass houses should rearch first.

Read below, seems at least 2 New Jersey cites I found in 5 second search disagrees with you since both cities are resorting to Eminent Domain because they have so many boarded up homes.

So who is short sighted now?


NJ TOWN TURNS TO EMINENT DOMAIN TO CLEAN UP BLIGHT OF FORECLOSED HOUSES

JOE TYRRELL*| NOVEMBER 20, 2013




Irvington has become the second municipality in the country -- after Richmond, CA -- that is attempting to convert eminent domain into a tool to help homeowners deal with neighborhoods blighted by foreclosed houses. But local officials acknowledge that they need partners in order to make the idea work.

In a state where foreclosures are again soaring, the results have been especially damaging to Irvington, a blue-collar community of 53,000 neighboring Newark, according to Mayor Wayne Smith.

Since 2008, lenders have foreclosed on at least 1,775 homes in the township, driving out residents and leaving even well-kept neighborhoods dotted with boarded-up buildings, he said. Many other homeowners are “underwater,” paying more on high-interest mortgages than their properties are worth, according to Smith.

A report this summer by New Jersey Communities United found Irvington has spent $14 million to respond to increased crime, fires, and health hazards related to vacant homes. That is happening even as property values dropped and property taxes rose along with successful tax appeals, according to Councilwoman Andrea McElroy.

Residents complain that banks are unwilling to work with them to modify mortgage loans, federal programs are confusing and inadequate, and the state has actually diverted money intended to help homeowners with the foreclosure crisis.

So at a rally Saturday at city hall, Smith announced Irvington intends to jump into the real-estate game with an initiative he called “friendly condemnations.” The idea is to acquire abandoned homes, as well as still-occupied ones with inflated mortgages, and then offer residents better deals. Eminent domain would enable the township to purchase the homes for current market rates, which would be less than the mortgages may be worth, sometimes against the mortgage holders will.

But like other financially strapped communities, Irvington is “not in a position to do this ourselves,” Smith said. “We do need a third party to step up” and invest in the program, he said.

The lure for potential investors is the municipality’s willingness to use its power of eminent domain to acquire existing mortgages to provide investment properties, Smith said.

Eminent domain allows governments to acquire property, even from unwilling sellers, for “public purposes.” Over the years, though, courts have defined those purposes broadly, from building highways or sewer lines to privately owned shopping malls and casinos.

Smith acknowledged that history has given eminent domain has “a bad name” in minority neighborhoods often targeted by projects that benefit others. This time, though, it offers a potential lifeline for residents struggling to keep their homes and a town trying to preserve its neighborhoods, he said.

The next step is “engaging with the financial community” to create the investment process, he said. The selling point will be that fair-market mortgages are profitable and more stable as investments than those set at inflated housing values and unsustainably high interest rates, he said.

In an indication of the program’s potentially difficult path, Smith used the rally to give out his office phone number, inviting investors to call.

Still, the mayor professed optimism about the chances of success. While major banks have bad reputations for predatory lending in minority communities, “not every investor is on Wall Street,” Smith said, “there are some good guys.”

To sidestep one potential legal and political problem, Smith said the program would aim at the township’s roughly 1,000 “private-label” mortgages. Those are held by banks and investor groups, not by government agencies such the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) or the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp. (Freddie Mac).

According to Smith, concentrating on private-label mortgages, will avoid "the potential legal complication of trying to condemn mortgages underwritten by government agencies such as Fannie and Freddie."

On its ways to this new approach, Irvington already has achieved one first. The American Civil Liberties Union announced it will “stand beside” the municipality against an expected legal challenge from the mortgage industry.

Earlier this year, Richmond, Calif., became the first community to endorse the strategy, partnering with Mortgage Resolution Partners, a San Francisco investment firm. Irvington officials said MRP’s “name has come up” in discussions so far, but they will seek a range of proposals.

“Our public procurement process has to be fair, it has to be open, and it has to be competitive,” Smith said.

Three major lenders -- Wells Fargo & Co., Deutsche Bank, and Bank of New York Mellon -- immediately hit Richmond with a lawsuit on behalf of themselves and their investors, trying to block the city from proceeding with offers on 624 high-interest mortgages.

Financial industry groups argue that the use of eminent domain could be unconstitutional, because the mortgages are “intangible property” rather than land or physical structures usually targeted for government taking.

But in 1984, the U.S. Supreme Court allowed the Hawaii Housing Authority to use eminent domain to create a free market in housing on Oahu. In a situation out of the movie “The Descendants,” renters complained that a small number of hereditary landowners distorted the market by refusing to sell houses.

The Supreme Court allowed the authority to act on petitions from the renters, taking their rental contracts and converting them into mortgages.

In 2005, the high court ruled that New London, CT, could use eminent domain to take occupied, well-maintained homes for its economic development authority’s project to lure a Pfizer Corp. plant. Despite the win, Pfizer announced four years later that it would leave the city.

A legal white paper for the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association raised another issue against Richmond. It suggested eminent domain could deprive investors of “just compensation” if the revenue from performing loans, or mortgage-backed securities, is greater than what Richmond and MRP offer for them.

In September, a federal judge dismissed the banks’ lawsuit without ruling on the merits. U.S. District Judge Richard Breyer said the issue was not “ripe,” because Richmond has not yet carried out the plan.

The same month, Richmond’s city council narrowly approved making the offers, 4-3, but would need a fifth vote to use eminent domain against holdouts. Even before the vote, though, the financial industry followed through on threats to retaliate, snubbing a routine and unrelated bond refinancing effort by the city.

In New Jersey, even beyond federal precedents, “there’s no question” that Irvington’s proposed use of eminent domain is legal, said Udi Ofer, executive director of the ACLU-NJ.

“It’s clear that New Jersey’s constitution, state law and case law empower Irvington to do everything in its power to protect the community from blight, including the use of eminent domain,” Ofer said.

The ACLU has stepped forward “to make sure that they’re not retaliated against” if the eminent domain program proceeds, Ofer said. But he was circumspect about other legal involvement, noting the township “has its own attorneys” to set up the process.

Still, the ACLU has frequently found itself opposing eminent domain proposals. The difference in Irvington, Ofer said, is “racial justice,” creating a real-estate free market by making loans available to local residents at rates that are normal elsewhere.

Big banks historically have been unwilling to lend money in minority communities, and when they do, have tended to funnel even well-qualified borrowers into risky, expensive “subprime” mortgages with interest rates of 10 percent and more, he said.

During the housing bubble, investment banks chopped up many of these substandard loans and repackaged them into mortgage-backed securities, which ratings agencies then mislabeled as secure investments. That house of cards began to collapse in 2007, leading to the Great Recession.

In the aftermath, participants said lenders generally have been less willing to negotiate with minority borrowers. Foreclosures are occurring at a rate of 17 per 1,000 households in minority communities like Irvington, compared to 10 per 1,000 in predominantly nonminority towns, according to Ofer.

Irvington’s initiative comes at a time when much of the business media is proclaiming “the foreclosure crisis is over” across the nation. But that’s not true in New Jersey.

In late October, the state surpassed 40,000 new foreclosures cases filed so far this year. That compares to 30,896 foreclosures brought in all of 2012, and is already the fourth-highest annual total since the state courts have kept track.

New Jersey Communities United found that Irvington residents have lost $300 million in property wealth from the local foreclosures and drop in housing values, Smith noted.

“I cannot think of more public purpose” than keeping taxpaying residents in homes and finding new occupants for vacant foreclosed properties, Ofer said.

“This is a good use of eminent domain,” said Mary Szacik of NJCU, an organizer of the eminent domain effort. “Six years into this crisis, we are still seeing people losing their homes.”

http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/...o-clean-up-blight-of-foreclosed-houses/?p=all



We will NOT go quitely into the night!
 

Sorry NF. I guess your attack against TH was Any Source he uses. And every source you use would be fine,, general enough for you there?

You should think about your customers welfare a little harder. You are acting like there is very little risk out there. The fact that you say these things in here show you are incapable of seeing it or do not care.
I look for honesty in my advisers, first. I do not appreciate a smoky bottom.

LOL!!!

Dave, if you knew what you were talking about, then you'd know how funny the attack on my profession is!

let's leave it at this, without going into detail , my business is X times larger than the median financial services practice at the nation's largest firms. That I've been able to build such a large practice in a customer satisfaction driven business contradicts your take that i don't care about clients and don't know what I'm talking about. it's akin to telling Sully Sullenberger he should learn how to fly planes!
 

I posted a link to Investment.com owned by Investment Business Daily that lists over 300, so your saying Investment Business Daily is a right wing rag?

You do realize the same can be said about your comment.



Maybe people in glass houses should rearch first.

Read below, seems at least 2 New Jersey cites I found in 5 second search disagrees with you since both cities are resorting to Eminent Domain because they have so many boarded up homes.

So who is short sighted now?


NJ TOWN TURNS TO EMINENT DOMAIN TO CLEAN UP BLIGHT OF FORECLOSED HOUSES

JOE TYRRELL*| NOVEMBER 20, 2013




Irvington has become the second municipality in the country -- after Richmond, CA -- that is attempting to convert eminent domain into a tool to help homeowners deal with neighborhoods blighted by foreclosed houses. But local officials acknowledge that they need partners in order to make the idea work.

In a state where foreclosures are again soaring, the results have been especially damaging to Irvington, a blue-collar community of 53,000 neighboring Newark, according to Mayor Wayne Smith.

Since 2008, lenders have foreclosed on at least 1,775 homes in the township, driving out residents and leaving even well-kept neighborhoods dotted with boarded-up buildings, he said. Many other homeowners are “underwater,” paying more on high-interest mortgages than their properties are worth, according to Smith.

A report this summer by New Jersey Communities United found Irvington has spent $14 million to respond to increased crime, fires, and health hazards related to vacant homes. That is happening even as property values dropped and property taxes rose along with successful tax appeals, according to Councilwoman Andrea McElroy.

Residents complain that banks are unwilling to work with them to modify mortgage loans, federal programs are confusing and inadequate, and the state has actually diverted money intended to help homeowners with the foreclosure crisis.

So at a rally Saturday at city hall, Smith announced Irvington intends to jump into the real-estate game with an initiative he called “friendly condemnations.” The idea is to acquire abandoned homes, as well as still-occupied ones with inflated mortgages, and then offer residents better deals. Eminent domain would enable the township to purchase the homes for current market rates, which would be less than the mortgages may be worth, sometimes against the mortgage holders will.

But like other financially strapped communities, Irvington is “not in a position to do this ourselves,” Smith said. “We do need a third party to step up” and invest in the program, he said.

The lure for potential investors is the municipality’s willingness to use its power of eminent domain to acquire existing mortgages to provide investment properties, Smith said.

Eminent domain allows governments to acquire property, even from unwilling sellers, for “public purposes.” Over the years, though, courts have defined those purposes broadly, from building highways or sewer lines to privately owned shopping malls and casinos.

Smith acknowledged that history has given eminent domain has “a bad name” in minority neighborhoods often targeted by projects that benefit others. This time, though, it offers a potential lifeline for residents struggling to keep their homes and a town trying to preserve its neighborhoods, he said.

The next step is “engaging with the financial community” to create the investment process, he said. The selling point will be that fair-market mortgages are profitable and more stable as investments than those set at inflated housing values and unsustainably high interest rates, he said.

In an indication of the program’s potentially difficult path, Smith used the rally to give out his office phone number, inviting investors to call.

Still, the mayor professed optimism about the chances of success. While major banks have bad reputations for predatory lending in minority communities, “not every investor is on Wall Street,” Smith said, “there are some good guys.”

To sidestep one potential legal and political problem, Smith said the program would aim at the township’s roughly 1,000 “private-label” mortgages. Those are held by banks and investor groups, not by government agencies such the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) or the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp. (Freddie Mac).

According to Smith, concentrating on private-label mortgages, will avoid "the potential legal complication of trying to condemn mortgages underwritten by government agencies such as Fannie and Freddie."

On its ways to this new approach, Irvington already has achieved one first. The American Civil Liberties Union announced it will “stand beside” the municipality against an expected legal challenge from the mortgage industry.

Earlier this year, Richmond, Calif., became the first community to endorse the strategy, partnering with Mortgage Resolution Partners, a San Francisco investment firm. Irvington officials said MRP’s “name has come up” in discussions so far, but they will seek a range of proposals.

“Our public procurement process has to be fair, it has to be open, and it has to be competitive,” Smith said.

Three major lenders -- Wells Fargo & Co., Deutsche Bank, and Bank of New York Mellon -- immediately hit Richmond with a lawsuit on behalf of themselves and their investors, trying to block the city from proceeding with offers on 624 high-interest mortgages.

Financial industry groups argue that the use of eminent domain could be unconstitutional, because the mortgages are “intangible property” rather than land or physical structures usually targeted for government taking.

But in 1984, the U.S. Supreme Court allowed the Hawaii Housing Authority to use eminent domain to create a free market in housing on Oahu. In a situation out of the movie “The Descendants,” renters complained that a small number of hereditary landowners distorted the market by refusing to sell houses.

The Supreme Court allowed the authority to act on petitions from the renters, taking their rental contracts and converting them into mortgages.

In 2005, the high court ruled that New London, CT, could use eminent domain to take occupied, well-maintained homes for its economic development authority’s project to lure a Pfizer Corp. plant. Despite the win, Pfizer announced four years later that it would leave the city.

A legal white paper for the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association raised another issue against Richmond. It suggested eminent domain could deprive investors of “just compensation” if the revenue from performing loans, or mortgage-backed securities, is greater than what Richmond and MRP offer for them.

In September, a federal judge dismissed the banks’ lawsuit without ruling on the merits. U.S. District Judge Richard Breyer said the issue was not “ripe,” because Richmond has not yet carried out the plan.

The same month, Richmond’s city council narrowly approved making the offers, 4-3, but would need a fifth vote to use eminent domain against holdouts. Even before the vote, though, the financial industry followed through on threats to retaliate, snubbing a routine and unrelated bond refinancing effort by the city.

In New Jersey, even beyond federal precedents, “there’s no question” that Irvington’s proposed use of eminent domain is legal, said Udi Ofer, executive director of the ACLU-NJ.

“It’s clear that New Jersey’s constitution, state law and case law empower Irvington to do everything in its power to protect the community from blight, including the use of eminent domain,” Ofer said.

The ACLU has stepped forward “to make sure that they’re not retaliated against” if the eminent domain program proceeds, Ofer said. But he was circumspect about other legal involvement, noting the township “has its own attorneys” to set up the process.

Still, the ACLU has frequently found itself opposing eminent domain proposals. The difference in Irvington, Ofer said, is “racial justice,” creating a real-estate free market by making loans available to local residents at rates that are normal elsewhere.

Big banks historically have been unwilling to lend money in minority communities, and when they do, have tended to funnel even well-qualified borrowers into risky, expensive “subprime” mortgages with interest rates of 10 percent and more, he said.

During the housing bubble, investment banks chopped up many of these substandard loans and repackaged them into mortgage-backed securities, which ratings agencies then mislabeled as secure investments. That house of cards began to collapse in 2007, leading to the Great Recession.

In the aftermath, participants said lenders generally have been less willing to negotiate with minority borrowers. Foreclosures are occurring at a rate of 17 per 1,000 households in minority communities like Irvington, compared to 10 per 1,000 in predominantly nonminority towns, according to Ofer.

Irvington’s initiative comes at a time when much of the business media is proclaiming “the foreclosure crisis is over” across the nation. But that’s not true in New Jersey.

In late October, the state surpassed 40,000 new foreclosures cases filed so far this year. That compares to 30,896 foreclosures brought in all of 2012, and is already the fourth-highest annual total since the state courts have kept track.

New Jersey Communities United found that Irvington residents have lost $300 million in property wealth from the local foreclosures and drop in housing values, Smith noted.

“I cannot think of more public purpose” than keeping taxpaying residents in homes and finding new occupants for vacant foreclosed properties, Ofer said.

“This is a good use of eminent domain,” said Mary Szacik of NJCU, an organizer of the eminent domain effort. “Six years into this crisis, we are still seeing people losing their homes.”

NJ Town Turns to Eminent Domain to Clean Up Blight of Foreclosed Houses - NJ Spotlight



We will NOT go quitely into the night!

Investors daily has a decidedly right wing editorial slant.

I didn't say all of NJ! I said my neighborhood and those towns immediately around my town!

You pick a town where 17% of the population lives below the poverty line. And many of those who aren't under it are near it. The real problem in Irvington was mortgage fraud, not the economy. These people got cashed out by the mortgage bust.

Your example proves nothing.

How about giving us examples using Short Hills, Rumson, Saddlebrook, Little Silver, Haddonfield, Moorestown, Cherry Hill, Morristown, Parsipany, Whipany, or any of the other hundreds of NJ towns that are not in blighted areas?

Why are you so pessimistic?
 

LOL!!!

Dave, if you knew what you were talking about, then you'd know how funny the attack on my profession is!

let's leave it at this, without going into detail , my business is X times larger than the median financial services practice at the nation's largest firms. That I've been able to build such a large practice in a customer satisfaction driven business contradicts your take that i don't care about clients and don't know what I'm talking about. it's akin to telling Sully Sullenberger he should learn how to fly planes!

IS X = .00000133? TH has an article that says some towns around you are boarding up and claiming imminent domain to clean up the mess. You seem to think it is not true. How have you conned that many people Bernie?
 

IS X = .00000133? TH has an article that says some towns around you are boarding up and claiming imminent domain to clean up the mess. You seem to think it is not true. How have you conned that many people Bernie?

Dave, always ready with the cheap shot!

Dave, reading comprehension counts. I didn't sat TH was wrong. i said his example proves nothing. Saying irvington is a neighborhood around me is like me saying Norfolk is a neighborhood around you.

I said his example is not valid because TH picked an area that is a depressed area to begin with. ( that's what the poverty line reference was meant to convey)

If you guys want to go state by state picking out slums and near slums to prove your point -go for it!
 

The cheap shot started when you held your opinion in higher esteem by pointing out your profession and "successes". With that you try to claim superiority by sheer willpower, and the ever present, "consider the source" argument.

Madoff was successful too, doesn't mean he understood the markets. If he really understood he could have skirted the pyramid scheme he concocted.

PS. Note that our posts were seconds apart? I didn't read that one before mine came out, but it doesn't change the fact that there are towns in NJ you are ignoring.
 

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I won't argue semantics or take jabs at the left or right, but at both. There are statistics and facts quoted by both sides that are "tweaked" or "squeezed" to fit their agenda. The things I would point out haven't occurred in the short term, say during the current administration or even the last half dozen. What I see are small towns all across the country dying out because small businesses have become unsustainable, and the lower income class getting larger with more people dependent on handouts, and the divide between the lower income and "middle class" getting larger. How can anyone say most families are better off than they were 30 or 40 years ago, really? I do see the government involved in controlling every facet of our lives, and more government control (read Federal, State, and Local) which seems to be most people's answer, legislate a solution!!! Those in power, from whichever side, have more to prove with their party agenda than being in touch with the little man, other than to make a television spot or for a campaign. The indication is "We know what the people need, they are too stupid to know what is good for them".
 

Jacksonian Democracy is Dead! Any person that is elected nowadays to federal office either has to already be wealthy to win a seat, the common man has no chance.
 

Investors daily has a decidedly right wing editorial slant.

I didn't say all of NJ! I said my neighborhood and those towns immediately around my town!

You pick a town where 17% of the population lives below the poverty line. And many of those who aren't under it are near it. The real problem in Irvington was mortgage fraud, not the economy. These people got cashed out by the mortgage bust.

Your example proves nothing.

How about giving us examples using Short Hills, Rumson, Saddlebrook, Little Silver, Haddonfield, Moorestown, Cherry Hill, Morristown, Parsipany, Whipany, or any of the other hundreds of NJ towns that are not in blighted areas?

Why are you so pessimistic?

Did you not tell me I was short sighted to look at boarded up homes in my area only?

What is different in your comment, you said your neighborhood. If my comment was short sighted so was yours.

My job requires me to drive over vast areas of Fl. Their are boarded up homes in lots of cities.

So your saying you have driven through all those cities and there are no boarded up homes?


As for the boarded up homes in Florida- there are no boarded up homes in my neighborhood in NJ.

it is short sighted to look at the vacant houses in your neighborhood, town, county and extrapolate that it must be the same everyplace. it's not!


We will NOT go quitely into the night!
 

I won't argue semantics or take jabs at the left or right, but at both. There are statistics and facts quoted by both sides that are "tweaked" or "squeezed" to fit their agenda. The things I would point out haven't occurred in the short term, say during the current administration or even the last half dozen. What I see are small towns all across the country dying out because small businesses have become unsustainable, and the lower income class getting larger with more people dependent on handouts, and the divide between the lower income and "middle class" getting larger. How can anyone say most families are better off than they were 30 or 40 years ago, really? I do see the government involved in controlling every facet of our lives, and more government control (read Federal, State, and Local) which seems to be most people's answer, legislate a solution!!! Those in power, from whichever side, have more to prove with their party agenda than being in touch with the little man, other than to make a television spot or for a campaign. The indication is "We know what the people need, they are too stupid to know what is good for them".

Well said Trooper.:thumbup:

We will NOT go quitely into the night!
 

Treasure Hunter:

"So your saying you have driven through all those cities and there are no boarded up homes?"

No - Native Floridian said "his neighborhood." We use a 2-mile circle for lender commercial property inspections - that's a larger area than most.

You often quote anecdotes instead of documented facts. Your posts about some areas in New Jersey don't have anything to do with NF's statement about his neighborhood.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo
 

Dave44:

Your rant and insults are a poor substitute for facts, reason and logic.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo
 

Did you not tell me I was short sighted to look at boarded up homes in my area only?

What is different in your comment, you said your neighborhood. If my comment was short sighted so was yours.

My job requires me to drive over vast areas of Fl. Their are boarded up homes in lots of cities.

So your saying you have driven through all those cities and there are no boarded up homes?





We will NOT go quitely into the night!

What i said is it would be short sighted of either of us to take what we see in our own neighborhoods and apply it to a larger sample. it works both ways, from a positive POV to the negative POV.

Of course there are boarded up homes in NJ. Just not in my neighborhood or near me. What you did though - was use an example of a blighted area to prove your point. We can go slum by slum it's not going to prove anything. These places were in trouble long before obama came along!

You are aware that pessimism, just like optimism becomes self fulfilling? IOW, Those who don't, don't!

Those who don't think they can get an education don't get an education

Those who don't think they can get ahead don't get ahead.

Those who don't think they can get a job don't get a job

etc

etc

etc

etc

it's all between the ears!

The positive POV would be Are there less boarded up homes in your neighborhood than there were three years ago?

Has the rate at which home being abandoned in your area stabilized?

That's not ignoring the facts. Just being honest about them.
 

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