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[Native Floridian]

True, men were being ripped off because they did not have insurance to cover them if they got pregnant and women couldn't get their prostrate exams. Yep they were being ripped off alright.

Here are two links on hours cut.

Universal Orlando's Obamacare Response: We're Dropping Health Insurance For Part-Time Workers


ObamaCare Employer Mandate: A List Of Cuts To Work Hours, Jobs - Investors.com

We will NOT go quitely into the night!

TH, I'm confused?

The articles you post, the HUffpost with some cred, are mostly referring to part time minimum wage workers. The same workers the right targets in denying increasing minimum wage.

So if i understand you, you are against paying these people a sustainable wage, but you are upset about them losing their health care insurance?

What am i missing here?

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

TH, I'm confused?

The articles you post, the HUffpost with some cred, are mostly referring to part time minimum wage workers. The same workers the right targets in denying increasing minimum wage.

So if i understand you, you are against paying these people a sustainable wage, but you are upset about them losing their health care insurance?

What am i missing here?

Typucal...

Their work hours are being cut back because of lucifercare. The 2nd link lists over 300 companies cutting workers hours further back all because of lucifercare, you know it as obamacare.

Many of them had healthcare and lost it thanks to lucifercare.





We will NOT go quitely into the night!

 

[Unclebuck257]

Forgetting for the moment about whose stats are correct in this thread, from personal experience I can simply state this.. In Bush's last year of office, the wife and I invested in a business for her that we had the opportunity to purchase. That business did exceptionally well in only its first year. The second year of business was Obammy's first year in office and with the scare he and his minions at the EPA, among others, put into business, our gross revenue dropped by 50% from the first year. Obammy's second year in business, our business then dropped one half again for its gross annual income, or 25% of the first year. It has now stayed at between 25-35% of its first year income since, to the point that we are now selling the building, land etc, because the income now isn't worth the hassel. These are just my personal stats but are directly attributable to Obammy and his Admin's policies.

 

[Native Floridian]

Typucal...

Their work hours are being cut back because of lucifercare. The 2nd link lists over 300 companies cutting workers hours further back all because of lucifercare, you know it as obamacare.

Many of them had healthcare and lost it thanks to lucifercare.





We will NOT go quitely into the night!

That doesn't change the fact that the right is against helping these people attain a sustainable wage. But they are screaming over these same people losing their health care? That's kinda hypocritical isn't it?

Another point that is missed. In the article you posted, it states 500 part time ( mostly minimum wage) workers at Universal Florida are going to lose their company health care. yet the same article states there are thousands of part time workers at universal who don't participate in the company's health insurance plan. Why do you suppose most of the eligible workers chose not to participate? Could it be the cost? Could be the lousy coverage and high deductibles typical of these plans? Obviously, if it was a good deal for every employee every employee would participate. That they don't is telling!

Instead of pointing at these cancelled policies and screaming at the president, ever think to ask why they are getting cancelled? Why does the law eliminate them?

The true lucifercare are the policies getting cancelled. Policies that do more to enrich the insurance companies that sell them than the policy holders who depend on them.

 

[Native Floridian]

Forgetting for the moment about whose stats are correct in this thread, from personal experience I can simply state this.. In Bush's last year of office, the wife and I invested in a business for her that we had the opportunity to purchase. That business did exceptionally well in only its first year. The second year of business was Obammy's first year in office and with the scare he and his minions at the EPA, among others, put into business, our gross revenue dropped by 50% from the first year. Obammy's second year in business, our business then dropped one half again for its gross annual income, or 25% of the first year. It has now stayed at between 25-35% of its first year income since, to the point that we are now selling the building, land etc, because the income now isn't worth the hassel. These are just my personal stats but are directly attributable to Obammy and his Admin's policies.

UB, I'm sorry that your business didn't work out for you as planned. That said, does the fact that your opening your business at the same time as the greatest economic meltdown since the 1930s play into the numbers?

I know it doesn't help, but misery loves company. my wife's small business failed during this time frame. Direct correlation to the economy. So wive's business failures, something we share in common.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

NF, your guessing or speculating on why the workers eligible didn't have insurance.

Many people are offered health insurance and think the cost is too high so don't participate.

Under lucifercare if I was stupid enough to take it I would be responsible for 30% and my out of pocket expenses would be $12,700. Now who in their right mind thinks someone could afford that.....


Obamacare is truly lucifercare.....

We will NOT go quitely into the night!

 

[Dave44]

Circles NF? Work harder, your average children do and are fine,, so buck up,,get a better job or blame yourself. AND Give a sustainable wage to everyone, that way they don't have to try harder, everything is free. Are you really kinda lost in the economics of America at this point in your life?
I know it's pretty hard the last few years,, not much sense in it.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Dave44:

How is working for a sustainable wage getting everything for free?

It's not a direct comparison, but I read recently the Australian minimum wage is $14.50/hr. Yet a Big Mac costs a few cents more than it does in the US of A.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Dave44:

How is working for a sustainable wage getting everything for free?

It's not a direct comparison, but I read recently the Australian minimum wage is $14.50/hr. Yet a Big Mac costs a few cents more than it does in the US of A.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

Long as we are comparing countries...


"A number of countries, including Denmark, Germany, Italy, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, and Switzerland, don't have minimum wages at all. Most of them make up for it with widespread collective bargaining, which sets de facto minimums."



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-has-a-7-25-minimum-wage-australias-is-16-88/


We will NOT go quitely into the night!

 

[smokeythecat]

We all know the government doesn't lie about the statistics they give us, right? Oh wait! They do lie! And while Mr. Obama is not the FIRST president to tell a whopper in office, he's at the top of my liar liar pants on fire list. So what can he say now that I can possibly believe? ANOTHER of my friends just lost his job of 35 years. Everybody where I work just got demoted. AKA less money. My son in law is STILL out of work. I'll know things are better when the vacant houses around here are full again. Not until then.

 

[Dave44]

When the Fed can quit monetizing our debt to the tune of 1 trillion$ a year and the interest rates can be allowed to go up you will either see (after the collapse), the economy starting to improve, or the bankruptcy of our country.

If you think the Country is improving naturally you are not paying attention. The markets are in bad shape and they require a steady fix. Detox will be painful and all the big crony men will be fighting to get the safe chair. Waiting for the shoe to drop makes day trading look like the best option.

 

[Native Floridian]

NF, your guessing or speculating on why the workers eligible didn't have insurance.

Many people are offered health insurance and think the cost is too high so don't participate.

Under lucifercare if I was stupid enough to take it I would be responsible for 30% and my out of pocket expenses would be $12,700. Now who in their right mind thinks someone could afford that.....


Obamacare is truly lucifercare.....

We will NOT go quitely into the night!

No TH I'm not speculating. You keep forgetting that i provide financial services for a living. My assessment is called Professional Judgement. When you get other people to give you over billion dollars of their money to manage I will accept your professional judgement.

Your assessment would be true if the participation rate were higher - above 75%

However, when the participation rate is as low as it is at Universal it's the plan that has the issue not the participants. Any professional coming in to look at the plan would know that before digging into it. Most likely the only participants are those with a medical need that offsets the high cost.

Another question you are not asking regarding the Obamacare hourly reduction issue is, why are all these employees part timers? Take Universal as an example - why are they using thousands of part timers instead of hundreds of full timers? The answer can be summed up in one word - benefits!

These part timers the right are so concerned with are getting screwed by their employers so the employers won't have to ante up for full time benefits. Yet, I'm speculating that these same employers have offered less than attractive medical plans to these same employees?

 

[Native Floridian]

When the Fed can quit monetizing our debt to the tune of 1 trillion$ a year and the interest rates can be allowed to go up you will either see (after the collapse), the economy starting to improve, or the bankruptcy of our country.

If you think the Country is improving naturally you are not paying attention. The markets are in bad shape and they require a steady fix. Detox will be painful and all the big crony men will be fighting to get the safe chair. Waiting for the shoe to drop makes day trading look like the best option.

You left out the part about OPEC having WALMART LOW PRICE GUARANTEE DAYS when they put oil on sale!

Isn't that another commonly held belief here?

 

[Native Floridian]

We all know the government doesn't lie about the statistics they give us, right? Oh wait! They do lie! And while Mr. Obama is not the FIRST president to tell a whopper in office, he's at the top of my liar liar pants on fire list. So what can he say now that I can possibly believe? ANOTHER of my friends just lost his job of 35 years. Everybody where I work just got demoted. AKA less money. My son in law is STILL out of work. I'll know things are better when the vacant houses around here are full again. Not until then.

Some areas of the country were hit harder than others. There are no vacant houses in my neighborhood. Real estate prices are climbing in my neck of the woods. Looking at one area and making a blanket judgment about the entire country would be short sighted. While i wouldn't use my area to pronounce the country in tip top shape, i wouldn't use blighted neighborhoods to pronounce it DOA. We need to look at the full picture. And the full picture is that we as a country are improving.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

No TH I'm not speculating. You keep forgetting that i provide financial services for a living. My assessment is called Professional Judgement. When you get other people to give you over billion dollars of their money to manage I will accept your professional judgement.

Your assessment would be true if the participation rate were higher - above 75%

However, when the participation rate is as low as it is at Universal it's the plan that has the issue not the participants. Any professional coming in to look at the plan would know that before digging into it. Most likely the only participants are those with a medical need that offsets the high cost.

Another question you are not asking regarding the Obamacare hourly reduction issue is, why are all these employees part timers? Take Universal as an example - why are they using thousands of part timers instead of hundreds of full timers? The answer can be summed up in one word - benefits!

These part timers the right are so concerned with are getting screwed by their employers so the employers won't have to ante up for full time benefits. Yet, I'm speculating that these same employers have offered less than attractive medical plans to these same employees?

Professional Judgement= speculating/guessing. Show me proof.

I gave you link to over 300 businesses cutting back on worker's hours because of lucifercare. ...

Lots of unoccupied homes all over Florida boarded up.



We will NOT go quitely into the night!

 

[Native Floridian]

Professional Judgement= speculating/guessing. Show me proof.

I gave you link to over 300 businesses cutting back on worker's hours because of lucifercare. ...

Lots of unoccupied homes all over Florida boarded up.



We will NOT go quitely into the night!

No, you posted an unaudited list from another right wing web site. That is meaningless. I am willing to talk about the universal article only because it comes from a more reliable source. Not that the huffington post is a pillar of journalistic integrity.

Participation rates under 25% are the norm with junk policies.

When these same people asked for higher wages the people you support in congress told them no. But take away their health care? NO! Cut me a break!

Why is Dunkin Donuts not cutting hours, but instead lobbying to get the law changed to forty hours? So they can keep everyone working 39 hours thus saving tens of millions of dollars.

This is about big biz having to ante up more coin to their low paid slave labor force. And the always Pro big business Republicans trying to help their biggest donors. Nothing more!

As for the boarded up homes in Florida- there are no boarded up homes in my neighborhood in NJ.

it is short sighted to look at the vacant houses in your neighborhood, town, county and extrapolate that it must be the same everyplace. it's not!

 

[Dave44]

No you posted an unaudited list from another right wing we site. That is meaningless. I am willing to talk about the universal article only because it comes from a more reliable source. Not that the huffington post is a pillar of journalistic integrity.

Participation rates under 25% are the norm with junk policies.

When these same people asked for higher wages the people you support in congress told them no. But take away their health care NO! Cut me a break!

Why is Dunkin Donuts not cutting hours, but instead lobbying to get the law changed to forty hours?

This is about big biz having to ante up more coin to their low paid slave labor force. And the always Pro big business Republicans trying to help their biggest donors. Nothing more!

"

No you posted an unaudited list from another right wing we site. That is meaningless. I am willing to talk about the universal article only because it comes from a more reliable source. Not that the huffington post is a pillar of journalistic integrity. "

OH come on NF!! What is this tripe? You won't take Ths Quote from Washington Post because your communist rag of Huffington Post trumps his? Sad buddy. And you believe companies are keeping slave labor? MMMM. You are gambling with your clients money, sir. I hope you wake up soon.

 

[Native Floridian]

"

No you posted an unaudited list from another right wing we site. That is meaningless. I am willing to talk about the universal article only because it comes from a more reliable source. Not that the huffington post is a pillar of journalistic integrity. "

OH come on NF!! What is this tripe? You won't take Ths Quote from Washington Post because your communist rag of Huffington Post trumps his? Sad buddy. And you believe companies are keeping slave labor? MMMM. You are gambling with your clients money, sir. I hope you wake up soon.

Wrong post 44!

You know what's worse than an adhominem attack? One where the attacker bases the attack on wrong information!

As for your take on investing i'll just consider the source.

 

[Dave44]

Sorry NF. I guess your attack against TH was Any Source he uses. And every source you use would be fine,, general enough for you there?

You should think about your customers welfare a little harder. You are acting like there is very little risk out there. The fact that you say these things in here show you are incapable of seeing it or do not care.
I look for honesty in my advisers, first. I do not appreciate a smoky bottom.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Dave44:

You continue to twist and spin other folks' posts.

Many of the "sources" provided on this sub-Forum are far less than reliable. The standards of factual accuracy required are quite low. Look at your own bar - down at the bottom. For your sake, I hope it isn't a smoky one.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo