Man "caught red handed stealing relics from Kennessaw Mt. Nat.Battle field park.

[Frankn]

Hope he does serious time and high fines.....

Hay TH there's a lot of truth in the comments here, www.wsbradio.com Frank...

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

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Posted: 3:25 a.m. Thursday, Oct. 10, 2013

Man arrested digging up Civil War artifacts at Kennesaw Mountain


The Kennesaw Mountain National Battlefield Park stands as more than a scenic memorial to one of the Civil War's defining battles. It was the most-visited battlefield site in the nation in 2012, surpassing Gettysburg for the year. The park is a 2,923 acre National Battlefield that preserves a Civil War battleground of the Atlanta Campaign. Opposing forces maneuvered and fought here from June 19, 1864 until July 2, 1864. For directions to Kennesaw Mountain National Battlefield Park, please visit the National Park Service's website: http://www.nps.gov/kemo/planyourvisit/directions.htm. -- Information and text from NPS.gov
By News/Talk WSB web staff

KENNESAW —

Apparently a Cherokee County man thought, if there was ever a good time to look for Civil War artifacts at Kennesaw Mountain, a partial government shutdown would be perfect.

He was wrong.

Rangers are still on the job at national battlefield on Cheatham Hill Road. They caught the man taking his metal detector to the park and digging up artifacts.

A Cobb County police officer spotted the man heading into one of the most “archeological sensitive areas of the park,” said Park Ranger Anthony Winegar.

Rangers waited until the man returned to his car with his goodies.

“He did appear to have several objects that were from the Civil War time period,” Winegar told Channel 2 Action News.

The suspect, only described as a man from Cherokee County, is facing several federal charges. The items have been seized.

Warnings are up in several spots around the battlefield to warn people that digging for artifacts is illegal. *This area is where the main union assault of the Kennesaw Mountain campaign took place.

Rangers say stealing the items is like stealing from history.

“A particular bullet fired from particular style of gun can tell us where the round was fired from and what types of equipment of the lines was issues,” said Winegar. “That’s very valuable for historians for recreating the battle later on.”

Normally, an archaeologist would be called in to check out the area where the suspect found the items, but because of the shutdown, that is on hold.

*http://m.wsbradio.com/news/news/man-arrested-digging-civil-war-artifacts-kennesaw-/nbKmZ/


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[Bum Luck]

Hay TH there's a lot of truth in the comments here, www.wsbradio.com Frank...

So what're you sayin, Frankn? It's OK for MDers to dig at Kennesaw?

 

[Swartzie]

Man arrested digging up Civil War artifacts at Kennesaw Mountain | www.wsbradio.com

"A Cobb County police officer spotted the man heading into one of the most “archeological sensitive areas of the park,” said Park Ranger Anthony Winegar."


buttons an bones

Sounds like he did his research.
-Swartzie

 

[Frankn]

So what're you sayin, Frankn? It's OK for MDers to dig at Kennesaw?

No, for one thing I think he was wrong, but I also think there are to many places we can't search. I also think it is better to let the relic see the light of day than rot in the ground. Museums probably have more hidden away in boxes that the public will never see than they display. I don't see the archies going around in the parks trying to save relics, but they don't want anyone else to find them and conserve them. Hay, I have saved a few, legally! Frank...

 

[TheRingFinder]

My point is - "THEY" can make ALL artifacts illegal to dig. I've seen "THEM" do it over and over again without any reason. Look at the hundreds of miles in the Florida Keys for example. It's easy to take a side when it's never affected you. It's affected me personally and I will fight to the end!!!!! You can have my detector, when you pry it out of my cold dead hands!!!!

 

[TheRingFinder]

Seems like your peers think so.

You should be proud Bum - Probably the first and last time TH gives you a "Like"

 

[Frankn]

Mt point is - "THEY" can make ALL artifacts illegal to dig. I've seen "THEM" do it over and over again without any reason. Look at the hundreds of miles in the Florida Keys for example. It's easy to take a side when it's never affected you. It's affected me personally and I will fight to the end!!!!! You can have my detector, when you pry it out of my cold dead hands!!!!

ie The conch rebellion! Yea, I have been down there too. It's Federal water now!!! Frank...

 

[mreese1849]

I was listening to wsb that morning and the news reporter at the end stated that "it was a federal offense to dig those types of relics." When he said those words I was waiting on him to say "at a national or state park", but I never heard those words and I would hope that is what he meant and people wouldn't think that if I go in the woods behind my house and dig a 3 ringer (which I have) that I am committing a federal offense. It gave me an eerie feeling as people seem to be so gullible these days.

 

[Jeremy S]

If they didn't have laws protecting the Federal parks some guys would be out there with heavy equipment strip-mining the place. Boom baby!

Before they cracked down on Indian artifact hunting in Indiana, my dad can remember guys literally destroying the river banks along the Ohio River and leaving large pits and holes that you could fit a car in. These guys weren't stealing history; they were destroying private property (sometimes illegally), causing environmental damage, and erosion problems. Someone motivated by greed doesn't care about collateral damage.

This idiot will be VERY lucky if they let him keep his vehicle and detector. I know of one guy who got caught poaching deer on federal property. After he got out of jail he was able to go to a government auction and try to buy back his rifle, boat, and truck after the Conservation Officers confiscated it.

Laws banning detecting in city parks and areas with no historical background are dumb. They are put in place by local politicians trying to make a name for themselves and park superintendents with a chip on their shoulder. I do however respect those laws on Federal and State land for historical sites and battlefields. The guy they busted probably wasn't driven by knowledge and history, he probably wanted some valuable civil war relics to sell on eBay. Now he may lose everything he has just for some 3-ringers.

 

[Bum Luck]

You should be proud Bum - Probably the first and last time TH gives you a "Like"

Thanks for your assumption.

Actually, I've found that people don't have hard outlines and I've found a lot of common ground with almost everyone I come across. TH has done a lot of good in my opinion and has earned my respect, if you have to hear it from me.

There's a huge disparity in value between the Custer National Story and a dislocated jar full of cartridges in your garage. These days everything has a price on eBay. One value is private, and the other public and some have a tough time sorting that out.

Most of us can though.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

disturbing attitude to believe museums and archeologists have an agenda to hide objects from the public.

if things are in a back room...it is because it is being studied, or preserved until that time when some one does study the object.
just because the museum restricts access to qualified researchers, instead of making a petting zoo for artifacts....

nevermind...

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

disturbing attitude to believe museums and archeologists have an agenda to hide objects from the public.

if things are in a back room...it is because it is being studied, or preserved until that time when some one does study the object.
just because the museum restricts access to qualified researchers, instead of making a petting zoo for artifacts....

nevermind...

Having had friends who worked there, I have been in the back rooms and they had boxes and drawers full of artifacts. They were not being studied they were just stored there out of view from public.

Not saying they were hiding them, but fact remains they were just sitting there out of view of public and had been for years.......

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

I have worked in two museums, one educational archives, and had three offers from separate institutions yesterday to do more of the same.
things are in the back rooms.
for preservation and study.
if we keep things from you, it is because we are hiding alien visitations and diverting gold an gems to off shore accounts?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I have worked in two museums, one educational archives, and had three offers from separate institutions yesterday to do more of the same.
things are in the back rooms.
for preservation and study.
if we keep things from you, it is because we are hiding alien visitations and diverting gold an gems to off shore accounts?

Pip the artifacts I observed were not being studied, they were just stored in drawer after drawer and box after box. You could tell by the dust and random haphazard way they were stored no one had looked at them in years.

The alien comment and diverting gold an gems to off shore accounts is uncalled for and mocking.

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[Citiboy289]

Since I live in the general area of the mountain , it always made me wonder! I first visited the area in 1993 , It was undeveloped and rural , when I moved here in 1998, I was shocked at the development , that had taken place in the surrounding area ,,, Makes me wonder how much was removed during the SUBDIVISION building and the strip malls , Either its long buried, been hauled away as fill or sits under some foundation now ----- I read somewhere about guys putting in a sewer line along the main road that uncovered a cannon years ago --- O well time marchs on

 

[Bum Luck]

Having had friends who worked there, I have been in the back rooms and they had boxes and drawers full of artifacts. They were not being studied they were just stored there out of view from public.

Not saying they were hiding them, but fact remains they were just sitting there out of view of public and had been for years.......

I've been in plenty of museum back rooms, including the British Museum. It doesn't usually take much for me to gain entrance if I really want to.

That is my perspective too, but I know that properly displaying artifacts and interpretation is a whole 'nother ball game, in terms of cost, display area, and staff effort.

I have been concerned about the seeming carelessness of some institutions' storage and curation though. I don't always back the Archies, although we need to keep a perspective. Would I love to MD Fort Caroline? You bet, but I wouldn't go without being under the NPS out of sheer respect for the site.

 

[TheRingFinder]

California just ruled against us - - - - Watch it all slowly drift away boys and girls...................Just sayin!

 

[Davers]

Since I live in the general area of the mountain , it always made me wonder! I first visited the area in 1993 , It was undeveloped and rural , when I moved here in 1998, I was shocked at the development , that had taken place in the surrounding area ,,, Makes me wonder how much was removed during the SUBDIVISION building and the strip malls , Either its long buried, been hauled away as fill or sits under some foundation now ----- I read somewhere about guys putting in a sewer line along the main road that uncovered a cannon years ago --- O well time marchs on

Man you are correct it never ceases to amaze me just how many sub divisions & etc, that have and are still being built that back right up to the Battlefields property. while I do not agree that it should be a free for all dig but maybe some sort of Supervised excavation in some areas of this park and others is in order cause documenting & displaying just the 10s of thousands of minies /balls fired During the battle would be near impossible , also it sounds like that's the plan in you take a quote from the haed park ranger a KMB "That's very valuable for HISTORIANS recreating the battle LATER ON " whens later on 100 years from know? & Historians - Was it not Relic hunters that gave us most of the info, we have on bullet types and all the other books on CW relics that have been written over the years.

 

[Davers]

I wonder what time of day they caught that clown? Like .... high noon in broad-daylight?

Just to answer your question i'm 90% sure it was in Broad Day light. Also some fellow relic hunters were talking last week [the 16th] and we found it unusual that they never released the mans name ,usually somewhere ,someone would have said something to the effect of Mr .......... ....... of Cherokee Co, allegedly was digging , I know he was caught red handed , but still no name? Hmmmmm