LUE MAP THEORY, MAYBE SOME CONTEXT

[point hunter]

The panels of "mystery". Glyph panels. What do I/we know about them? I'm just beginning to dig into them, so I have a long way to go. But, others, like SDC, has done good work so we know that indians probably created them along with the "organization". The nameless ones of deep mystery and intrigue. It seems like every time we think we have them nailed down, POOF gone,dust in the wind right? Still some other shadowy name (usually Knight something or other), but I digress. We mostly seem to agree the panels are more modern in nature than ancient. Maybe the LUE showed the way to all or most of the panels and KVM knew it. But he just couldn't get down the trail without another clue.
I noticed there are panels pretty much where the indians placed Towat's gold. There are panels in the area of the Grand Canyon and it's Egyptian stories, along with odd carvings and panels in southern Utah. There are even panels down towards the Sups and the Thunder Gods. I haven't dug into Colorado or New Mexico as deep, but I would expect more of the same, or something close (lost whatever). Gods and Panels, panels and gods. What does it all mean? I talked about this before trying to understand KVM's clue about "pots of gold" related to the LUE. So breifly IMHO the panels follow the old gold of ancient rivers and other geological activity. Now I am not a geologist. But I have studied and read works by doctorates of the field. If your interested, "Ancient Rivers of Gold" by Dr. George Wallace. It's from memory, but that's close & will get you started. I have done through the years, a combination of some field work and alot of book work. IMO, what he talks about is there and I even have a few spots that deserve more time in the field. Too many trails and too little time right?
This is part theory and part fact. IDK if I'm right but look at the carvings themselves on the panels. I kept getting a "cowboy" feel from some of them. Probably just wishful thinking huh? I wonder if some of KVM's carvings in his book are on a panel, or do the areas he mentioned get you close to a panel? IDK, like I said I'm just getting started on these mystey panels. As far as I know, NO ONE, here or elsewhere has came up with a carving out of his book in the field. So, maybe all his carvings and clues he thought he had were wrong. How many people came through there looking for clues? I have trouble beleiving thousands like he said. Hundreds perhaps, thru the years, I could agee.

 

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[point hunter]

I was simply saying If it's considered "Indian Holy/Forbidden Ground" it fits with the time line. It also provides a cover story and has created in at least one case a NO GO zone.

 

[mdog]

Allegories & Alibi’s. Hints & allegations. It does make ones third eye “cry” when looking @ the LUE. I am probably most responsible for derailing this thread. Past civilizations & their legends are better discussed in its own thread. So, my apologies to the group.
Anyway, here’s one possible theory, it still needs more facts. IMO, we can agree the map was drawn by someone/group that understands Masonry & was possibly/ probably a templer also. When: the early 1880’s keep coming up, 1877 seems important. We know the original story of how the map came from UTAH. IMO not only did it have influences from there, Mormans keep popping up too. Stories of Masons & Mormans all the way through Utah, into Arizona, some points in east New Mexico. All near glyph panels, just saying. This helps explain the “water” glyph on the map. Why did Karl land in South Colorado? IMO, because the map had verbal clues that matched up & the presence of a “ mystery” glyph panel near Urraca Mesa. This could partially explain his “black lake” recovery. There is a glyph panel located in the San Juan valley. So, IMO he needed to be closer to it than he was. Maybe he could not find it & that’s why he asked for help in a Masonic way. It could also explain, IMHO, why he was running lines in HIS copy of the “Scarlet Shadow”. We saw this in SDC’s copy he shared. He knew somehow the lines got him close. What he didn’t have was the all important starting point. I’m not saying run lines from the panels , but he had a solve if he had the field clues IMHO. Mr Dogs & SDC’s map work do put lines @ or near glyph sites. Not all granted, but if KVM had seen this, would he have moved his “operations “ west to the next big valley?

Do you know the exact location of the glyph near Urraca Mesa?

 

[point hunter]

I went back and looked, post 474 was the complete map posted of the panels. However, I looked and only saw 1 panel and it was near Urraca Cemetary so it looks like that part of my theory doesn't fit. lol I guess I was remembering the line tracing south toward black lake. I need to spend more time checking my facts.

 

[sdcfia]

Do you know the exact location of the glyph near Urraca Mesa?

To my knowledge, there have been no Mystery Glyphs identified near Urraca Mesa in New Mexico - at least I haven't seen any reports or photos. About 23 miles north of the mesa in an old cemetery in the forest on, I believe, Ponil Creek, there is an unusual headstone that allegedly connects to the Knights Templar. These carvings are not Mystery Glyphs.

Below is a map showing all reported Mystery Glyphs, current to about two years ago.

 

[mdog]

Something to know about the mapping is the headings from the LUE map are repeated over a map of the United States. So, the lines had to be plotted and then the placenames and treasure legends added.

 

[mdog]

To my knowledge, there have been no Mystery Glyphs identified near Urraca Mesa in New Mexico - at least I haven't seen any reports or photos. About 23 miles north of the mesa in an old cemetery in the forest on, I believe, Ponil Creek, there is an unusual headstone that allegedly connects to the Knights Templar. These carvings are not Mystery Glyphs.

Below is a map showing all reported Mystery Glyphs, current to about two years ago.
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Thank you very much Sdc.

I found the cemetery. I was hoping I'd get a good line to Black Lake, but it didn't work out.

 

[point hunter]

Sdcfia gave me these locations years ago. I don't know if any new stones have been found. I don't know the origin.

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To my knowledge, there have been no Mystery Glyphs identified near Urraca Mesa in New Mexico - at least I haven't seen any reports or photos. About 23 miles north of the mesa in an old cemetery in the forest on, I believe, Ponil Creek, there is an unusual headstone that allegedly connects to the Knights Templar. These carvings are not Mystery Glyphs.

Below is a map showing all reported Mystery Glyphs, current to about two years ago.
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SDC is right. That's why I should have all my notes in front of me and not post from memory. I was thinking the glyph map had 2 panels running north/south not east/west. Add that to the word Urraca close by to one panel on the map originally shown and a line running south. See how easy it is to get signs and directions confused. Plus I'm no spring chicken, so I will be more careful. But, I have done my research on the 4 corners and how the ancient rivers ran through that country. The Map above shows what I was saying. Start at 4 corners and see how many panels are in those 4 states. Leave off Nevada and California and you will see almost every other one is in one of those 4 states. There is also reference of part of a river running east/west along the Colorado/New Mexico border. The panels on the east and west sides of the blank middle somewhat reflect this. I'm just saying whatever gold thers is/was had to come from somewhere. I have looked at gelology, field signs, and valid recoveries (think LUE @ black lake, if it was valid), and put it all on google earth. Everything goes around 4 corners and the big blank area in the middle, except I was told the KGC had an area of interest out in the barren areas near there.

 

[point hunter]

One thing I forgot to mention, I did not track the ancient rivers north thru Utah. My areas of interests have always been the Sups and Northen New Mexico/Southern Colorado. I can when I get time if anyone is interested. But I expect to find a branch that went that way too, IMHO. So, that's why I went east around 4 corners, looking for signs of the LUE along the two states borders. There are some lost mines/stories thru that country, but not nearly as many or as well known. I think there might be a reference of a branch that runs north/south in eastern New Mexico also but I need to check to be sure. I know there is reference of them in southern New Mexico and southern Arizona. There are pieces of it along the southern Colorado's and nothern New Mexico's eastern border also. When I look at the newest glyph map, I see my search should have continued thru Utah and northern Colorado.