LUE MAP THEORY, MAYBE SOME CONTEXT

[mdog]

Real quick:
Might not apply here, but Ill explain where my head goes when I see 5 or 7 caves or tunnels or whatever.

It's about consciousness, or the internal temple made without hands, the biggest mystery of all. Ill explain my perspective:

There are 5 main ways that the OUTSIDE world comes INSIDE of us. These can be seen allegorically as caves, steps, ladders, tunnels, etc.... They are SIGHT. SMELL. TASTE. SEEING. HEARING. They can also relate allegorically to the 5 visible planets.
With those 5 senses, our inner consciousness sees the outside world, from its cave, tunnel or house made without hands.

If 7 is the number used in the story, then they are including the sun and moon, which represent our active-ego consciousness (sun), and our sub-consciousness (moon).
So we have ego and sub consciousness and the ways with which the outside world comes inside, namely, the 5 senses. 5 + 2 = 7, the number of completion.

It's all allegory about YOU and the gold is internal. My opinion. But I also think people who weren't mystics took this knowledge literally and after a few thousand years of people taking mystical knowledge literally, turning mystical knowledge into literal stories.... well here we are looking for cities, caves, gardens or etc.... (FYI, if you want to find these "cities or caves" you need to close your eyes and stop thinking, which is the block between ego and subconsciousness.... Dorothy did it by being knocked out)

The 7 cities of Cibola are really YOU. The Garden of Eden is really YOU. The emerald city is really YOU and so are all the characters in it. Neo, Trinity and Morpheus (The Matrix) characters are all YOU. Many many many ways to say the same thing. A tale as old as time, still being told........

Maybe there is real physical gold out there that lines up to the ancient mystical consciousness science (as I like to call it), but imo it seems there are just a whole lot of ways that the mystics described this ethereal thing called consciousness.

How do you describe consciousness in a way that people understand? How do you put the invisible, indescribable and unthinkable to words Allegory. It's the only way.

People who cant/dont/wont think mystically or allegorically believe the gold is external to them......
Remember, Dorothy......you have the power to go home WITHIN YOU all along.

That said.... I could be misplacing this mystical knowledge into a real story about real physical gold and I sure would like to find that physical gold too That would be nice...but seeing as how this map is heavily Masonic, I dont think Im far off here. I may be wrong, but I dont think Im off by much.

Are you saying the LUE map is so heavily Masonic that it could be considered a Masonic document?

 

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[cuzimloony]

The page is a goldmine.

 

[cuzimloony]

Are you saying the LUE map is so heavily Masonic that it could be considered a Masonic document?

No. I surely did not say that.
I will say it appears to be created by a Mason, but that doesn't make it a Masonic document. A "Masonic" document would need Grand Lodge buy-in and I dont see that, yet, here.

 

[mdog]

No. I surely did not say that.
I will say it appears to be created by a Mason, but that doesn't make it a Masonic document. A "Masonic" document would need Grand Lodge buy-in and I dont see that, yet, here.

Please explain Grand Lodge buy-in.

 

[cuzimloony]

Please explain Grand Lodge buy-in.

A Grand Lodge is the "head Lodge" in a state. Each state is independant, for the most part, although there is a bit of coordination beteeen some Grand Lodges.
If I, as a Mason, sit in my office and create a map, that doesn't make it a Masonic document. Its a document created by a Mason. Nothing more.
In order for it to be a Masonic documemt, there needs to be consensus, typically, at the Grand Lodge level. Otherwise, like I said, any Mason can create any document they want and its not automatically a Masonic document.

 

[sdcfia]

. . . .
I though this was off the deep end weeks ago. Boy its just getting worse.....

Contrary ideas are often ridiculed, then attacked, and finally accepted. It's your life, follow your own star. Makes no nevermind to me.

 

[cuzimloony]

Let me point out, everything I post is my opinion.
There are Masons who will disagree with my conclusions.
There are Masons who only show up to Lodge so they can eat with their brothers, too.
We're not all the same.

 

[cuzimloony]

Contrary ideas are often ridiculed, then attacked, and finally accepted. It's your life, follow your own star. Makes no nevermind to me.

...as an engineer involved in the construction trades, I take a slight offense to people discrediting the abilities of my forbearers. Especialy when aliens come in to play (it hasnt here.......YET).
My comment about this thread being off the deep end wasn't intended to be personal to you, but it was in a comment addressed to you and so, was out of line. My apologies.

If you're trying to imply that I am the one who will eventually see your light after thoughtful deliberation and time..... Ill just say, maybe, maybe not. Could be the other way around too.

Its my opinion that I will get much much closer to the 7 cities of Cibola by sitting down and shutting my eyes, than anyone looking for it physically, based on the MYSTICAL traditions of not just Spain, but by every single branch of the Aryan tree (including your elohim clan...who according to them populated the world at Mt ARARAT, root word Aryan, in the CAUCUSES mountains, root word caucasian).
There is actually proof, imo, in the power of consciousness affecting reality (creation), which is what I think these allegories pertain to.
I dont see much believable proof in the 7 cities of gold, imo. To me, it looks like thousands of years of taking mystical lessons for mystics, as literal things and now we've related Aztecs to Masons looking for 7 actual cities made literally of gold.
Again, my apologies for being rude.

But what does any of this have to do with a map full of Masonic symbols?
Wide net catches everything I think.

 

[cuzimloony]

Ill do everyone a favor and not derail this further. As I think about it, I may have done that. Not my intention.
Please carry on.
I agree that the mental stimulation from exercises like this can be beneficial and I dont want to impede.
My apologies.
Please carry on.

 

[mdog]

Ill do everyone a favor and not derail this further. As I think about it, I may have done that. Not my intention.
Please carry on.
I agree that the mental stimulation from exercises like this can be beneficial and I dont want to impede.
My apologies.
Please carry on.

I don't feel you need to apologize and the information that you have contributed has been very helpful. The LUE is a drawing that has become a mystery due to lack of information. My theories about it keep changing as I learn more. From time to time, we may get off subject, but even then, we might learn something new that could solve the puzzle.

Thank you very much for your contributions to the thread and I'm looking forward to anymore information that you have to offer.

 

[sdcfia]

. . . .
But what does any of this have to do with a map full of Masonic symbols?
Wide net catches everything I think.

Good, now we're back on track, and you've asked a extremely good question. Whether it's Masonic symbols, Egyptian/Mystery glyphs, Greek sacred geometry, spherical mathematics or some other arcane notation, why the cyphers, and why did they come into the public domain? mdog has done an excellent job of providing map links to numerous of these types of sites - none of which have been exploited, to my knowledge.

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

If you’ll excuse my interruption, I’m starting to suspect some have lost sight of the big picture here, whether intentional or not, agendas aside, the fact is that Mdogs mapping discovery in no way suggests it’s a Treasure map.

In fact there are a multitude of “connections “ or cross points that have absolutely nothing to do with treasure stories. It appears to me that some “coincidences “ are just that, coincidences. And they are being made “Important “ by force, or rather by a bias or preconceived notion.

What about all the other cross points? Why would they be included if not to indicate something? We’re only supposed to count the ones with a history of local treasure tales? I bet it would be just as easy to find a Masonic Lodge within a few miles of every cross point. Would that “coincidence” be significant?

I’m finding it all a bit hard to accept. I just feel there’s an agenda behind the notion. In my opinion, for me to accept the LUE clue as a Treasure Map, all crossing points should have significance, and I just don’t see that happening as a treasure map. A system for locating something, maybe, but the real question is What?

Of course, that’s just my opinion, subject to change as facts arise.

 

[releventchair]

Mdog was gracious long ago discussing a particular historic event. Not a LUE related deal but historic and in relative distance for us.
That led to discussing other historic interests.
I've no concerns about him knowing anything I know about sites. Or the who why how when and wheres.
He's way ahead of me anyways in his area. Which is safe from me.

But his curiosity about what has been seen , and what it could be , has been a long process.

By the way Mdog the W-E trail South of the big lake between us I mentioned years ago?
Of late a map seen showed a former historic marsh type habitat that went a very long ways below it. W-E. Making it a pinch point of sorts.
And suggesting another below the marsh type extended area.
different topic than the LUE..

 

[mdog]

Mdog was gracious long ago discussing a particular historic event. Not a LUE related deal but historic and in relative distance for us.
That led to discussing other historic interests.
I've no concerns about him knowing anything I know about sites. Or the who why how when and wheres.
He's way ahead of me anyways in his area. Which is safe from me.

But his curiosity about what has been seen , and what it could be , has been a long process.

By the way Mdog the W-E trail South of the big lake between us I mentioned years ago?
Of late a map seen showed a former historic marsh type habitat that went a very long ways below it. W-E. Making it a pinch point of sorts.
And suggesting another below the marsh type extended area.
different topic than the LUE..

Thank you very much RC. That's a great tip about that trail.

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

Mdog was gracious long ago discussing a particular historic event. Not a LUE related deal but historic and in relative distance for us.
That led to discussing other historic interests.
I've no concerns about him knowing anything I know about sites. Or the who why how when and wheres.
He's way ahead of me anyways in his area. Which is safe from me.

But his curiosity about what has been seen , and what it could be , has been a long process.

By the way Mdog the W-E trail South of the big lake between us I mentioned years ago?
Of late a map seen showed a former historic marsh type habitat that went a very long ways below it. W-E. Making it a pinch point of sorts.
And suggesting another below the marsh type extended area.
different topic than the LUE..

Ah, well, I must be far behind then and missing much, so I’ll just show myself out and let you fine fellows continue.

Good luck with your endeavors. 👍

 

[mdog]

If you’ll excuse my interruption, I’m starting to suspect some have lost sight of the big picture here, whether intentional or not, agendas aside, the fact is that Mdogs mapping discovery in no way suggests it’s a Treasure map.

In fact there are a multitude of “connections “ or cross points that have absolutely nothing to do with treasure stories. It appears to me that some “coincidences “ are just that, coincidences. And they are being made “Important “ by force, or rather by a bias or preconceived notion.

What about all the other cross points? Why would they be included if not to indicate something? We’re only supposed to count the ones with a history of local treasure tales? I bet it would be just as easy to find a Masonic Lodge within a few miles of every cross point. Would that “coincidence” be significant?

I’m finding it all a bit hard to accept. I just feel there’s an agenda behind the notion. In my opinion, for me to accept the LUE clue as a Treasure Map, all crossing points should have significance, and I just don’t see that happening as a treasure map. A system for locating something, maybe, but the real question is What?

Of course, that’s just my opinion, subject to change as facts ari

If you’ll excuse my interruption, I’m starting to suspect some have lost sight of the big picture here, whether intentional or not, agendas aside, the fact is that Mdogs mapping discovery in no way suggests it’s a Treasure map.

In fact there are a multitude of “connections “ or cross points that have absolutely nothing to do with treasure stories. It appears to me that some “coincidences “ are just that, coincidences. And they are being made “Important “ by force, or rather by a bias or preconceived notion.

What about all the other cross points? Why would they be included if not to indicate something? We’re only supposed to count the ones with a history of local treasure tales? I bet it would be just as easy to find a Masonic Lodge within a few miles of every cross point. Would that “coincidence” be significant?

I’m finding it all a bit hard to accept. I just feel there’s an agenda behind the notion. In my opinion, for me to accept the LUE clue as a Treasure Map, all crossing points should have significance, and I just don’t see that happening as a treasure map. A system for locating something, maybe, but the real question is What?

Of course, that’s just my opinion, subject to change as facts arise.

The intersections could call your attention to a specific area for any reason. I agree with you, no matter what the reason, there had to be somebody at that place to provide information, and I believe those people were Masons.

Also, concerning the treasure legends, the legends in my mapping were well known and reported, even today, you can find them in the Tnet treasure legends forum.

 

[mdog]

Ah, well, I must be far behind then and missing much, so I’ll just show myself out and let you fine fellows continue.

Good luck with your endeavors. 👍

Please stick around. You've given some valuable information.

 

[releventchair]

Ah, well, I must be far behind then and missing much, so I’ll just show myself out and let you fine fellows continue.

Good luck with your endeavors. 👍

Oh no. Participate along.
Just explaining my interrupting. As in Three Dog Night / (Hoyt Axton) song.

i stare at lines enough for a few minutes and get a near mental vertigo. Am intrigued though. So I drift off topic but in as related a manner as possible.

It would take a near mile of other threads to catch you up from years ago off forum. I might still not be caught up.
It started over Le Griffon and La Salle.

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

The intersections could call your attention to a specific area for any reason. I agree with you, no matter what the reason, there had to be somebody at that place to provide information, and I believe those people were Masons.

Also, concerning the treasure legends, the legends in my mapping were well known and reported, even today, you can find them in the Tnet treasure legends forum

Please stick around. You've given some valuable information.

Oh no. Participate along.
Just explaining my interrupting. As in Three Dog Night / (Hoyt Axton) song.

i stare at lines enough for a few minutes and get a near mental vertigo. Am intrigued though. So I drift off topic but in as related a manner as possible.

It would take a near mile of other threads to catch you up from years ago off forum. I might still not be caught up.
It started over Le Griffon and La Salle.

No worries, it’s just obvious to me now that there’s a backstory here I’m not privy to, and I’m too lazy to search for it, lol. One of my own pet peeves is being asked to repeat myself over and again, so I would never ask the same of anyone else. All I meant with my last post was that I’ll just sit back and observe, and leave the commenting to those in the know. At the moment I have nothing to add worth mentioning.

It’s all good. 👍