LUE MAP THEORY, MAYBE SOME CONTEXT

[sdcfia]

Lack of knowledge is what holds back man's cultural achievements.

Horses are a tool, but the New World had no indigenous horses since the end of the Pleistocene Age - the animals being reintroduced with the Spanish Conquest. However, despite a lack of horses, it can be argued that significent human cultural advancement did indeed occur in a number of New World venues. The Spanish's shock at Tenochtitlan's sophistication, our own respect for the Mayan's cosmology and the world's wonderment of a dozen other stunning archeological sites in Central/South America prove that point. None of these obviously knowledgeable cultures had horses.

They did have plenty of knowledge though, and it seems likely that knowledge wasn't home grown, but was given to them by persons whom we can't yet identify conclusively. Based on a boatload of cultural, symbology and architectural similarities, and New World traditions, the New World cultural knowledge came from points east. The North American story isn't as clear, although the Mound Builders in the South and Midwest left lots of intriguing artifacts that were frequently plowed up by farmers, then dismissed by experts as frauds. Here in the Southwest, most of the ruins are basicly crude. Chaco is an exception - I tend to buy the idea that it was a temporary stop for migrating Aztecs who may have begun their journey at Cahokia, a site with similarities to Central American sites.

That said, what about the questions oldpueblo raised? I have a lot of ideas about the subject, but these are my quick-and-dirty opinions:
1) I think there are secret hidden sites in the Southwest. Any 'information' released about them, in any manner (introduction of fake artifacts, disposition of genuine artifacts, discovery of maps, testimony of individuals, etc.) is done to obfuscate the truth and misdirect the curious. Many, many of the 'treasure clues' and gold legends surfaced in the 1930's.
2) Nobody outside the tightly controlled Organization, which owns and controls the sites, will ever be given knowledge of them.
3) It's all about diversion - the clues, the carvings, the legends, all of it. The Organization allows the curious to run in circles away from their sites. Waltz may possibly have been an Organization man. IMO, trying to understand the 'Calalus/Oz' stuff posted on these threads is a waste of your time.
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I pretty much agree with all that. North American diffusionism is a no-no in academia and is almost totally repressed, despite plenty of circumstantial evidence - most of which is ridiculed, debunked, denied, destroyed or ignored.

 

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[mdog]

Yeah, there are many sites to look at. The VP gold, IMO, was WWII plunder by our government, using the Noss legends as a convenient explanation for its existence and discovery. Noss's valid recovery was in the Caballos, using VP as misdirection and as a convenient reason to fleece investors. Noss was a criminal all his life, you know. That's my take anyway.

Tracing the Aztecs pre-migration homeland ("Aztlan" is a typical name for the place) has been debatable for hundreds of years. The Utah "lake of reeds" has always had strong support. Aztec gold? Some searchers focus on its original sources in Southwest USA, some focus on its hiding spots after being relocated from Tenotchtitlan in the 16th century. Another interesting theory is that the even earlier Aztec homeland was Cahokia, on the Mississippi River. That would give them a Cahokia >> Aztlan >> Tenotchtitlan history.

Re the Mystery Glyphs - IMO they are clearly the relatively recent work of the so-called Organization and likely closely associated with Ojibwa symbology. Check Dan Lowe's work on this. Another interesting aspect of the Organization lore - viv-a-vis the Jesse James era - is the close ties they had with Native Americans, northern tribes in general, including the Ojibwa. Coincidence? The Mystery Glyphs are generally found near treasure cache legends and often in/near mining districts and railroad routes.

I found a Terry Carter video where he interviewed Dan Lowe about the Mystery Glyphs. He talked about Jesse James with brief mention of his theory that the glyphs were Sioux or Ojibwa.

It's probably not a coincidence that several Mystery Glyphs track along the LUE line heading that goes through Utah. If the Ojibwa are responsible for the carvings, there's a connection with the LUE's Apple Lake triangle in northern Minnesota. Two points on the Apple Lake Triangle are the towns Ogema and Waubun. Both towns were established about the same time the Scarlet Shadow was published. The name Waubun is Ojibwe and means "the east", Ogema means "chief". Chief of the East could be a reference to the Worshipful Master who sits in the east of a Masonic Lodge. The Apple Lake triangle is very important to the LUE mapping and is located on the White Earth Reservation of the Ojibwa.

This map shows the Mystery Glyph locations in Utah. The colored lines are LUE map headings. The red markers with the M are the Mystery Glyphs.

This map shows the Apple Lake triangle in Minnesota.