LUE MAP THEORY, MAYBE SOME CONTEXT

[mdog]

"In Salamanca thirty members of one lodge were shot, including a priest."

Interesting. Was the priest a member of the Lodge? We have pastors in my Lodges....priests, implying catholicism, isnt too common. Spain is a different country though.......

I have a couple of Kenworthy's books (not the $500 per copy ones) and I didn't notice anything Masonic but, I didn't have a Mason hat on when I read them. I will reread them while "thinking Masonically."

Bell symbol = new to me Can a bell be confused with an owl?

Communism: Lodges, like anything else, can be subverted. In that part of the world, at that time (war time), I THINK there is evidence of Lodges in Spain, France and Germany, working together against Germany and its partners. And since Germany saw themselves as fighting communism or bulshavism......all Masons are therefore commies.
That said: Some Masons ARE commies, but not so much here in the US, imo. So, this may be an unfortunate "reality" in the history of the craft.
Please keep it coming. I am becoming more interested in this as the days go on........

Karl von Mueller introduced the LUE map to the public about 70 years ago, at a time when information was a lot harder to come by than it is today. It seems the family who owned the original map had it for years before that. Considering that, do you think that the person who designed the map had a greater than normal understanding of Masonic symbols and might have been a Mason, himself?

 

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[mdog]

"In Salamanca thirty members of one lodge were shot, including a priest."

Interesting. Was the priest a member of the Lodge? We have pastors in my Lodges....priests, implying catholicism, isnt too common. Spain is a different country though.......

I have a couple of Kenworthy's books (not the $500 per copy ones) and I didn't notice anything Masonic but, I didn't have a Mason hat on when I read them. I will reread them while "thinking Masonically."

Bell symbol = new to me Can a bell be confused with an owl?

Communism: Lodges, like anything else, can be subverted. In that part of the world, at that time (war time), I THINK there is evidence of Lodges in Spain, France and Germany, working together against Germany and its partners. And since Germany saw themselves as fighting communism or bulshavism......all Masons are therefore commies.
That said: Some Masons ARE commies, but not so much here in the US, imo. So, this may be an unfortunate "reality" in the history of the craft.
Please keep it coming. I am becoming more interested in this as the days go on........

Can a bell be confused with an owl?

Here's a big rock at the foot of a high bluff. that I thought was a bell for years. There's even a five foot flat section that's big enough to hold articles of communion. I thought it was a bell but there are a lot of carved owls in the area.

 

[cuzimloony]

Karl von Mueller introduced the LUE map to the public about 70 years ago, at a time when information was a lot harder to come by than it is today. It seems the family who owned the original map had it for years before that. Considering that, do you think that the person who designed the map had a greater than normal understanding of Masonic symbols and might have been a Mason, himself?

Yup. But it seems Von Mueller got the map himself in a more primitave form, at least according to that video above. The more primitave version of the map (from the video above) CAN BE Masonic, but it is vague. It can be non-Masonic just as easy.
Id say, based on that video and my minimal research, there's a very good chance it was Von Mueller himself who made that map Masonic.

 

[mdog]

Does anybody have an accurate description of the Cave of Gold that was featured in The Treasure of the Valley of Secrets. Here's an AI description.

In "Treasure of the Valley of Secrets," the "Cave of Gold" is depicted as a vast, hidden cavern deep within a remote mountain range, filled with glittering gold artifacts, jewels, and precious metals, seemingly untouched for centuries, guarded by ancient traps and mystical elements, with a legendary golden idol at its heart, often described as the ultimate treasure sought by adventurers seeking the valley's secrets.

Key details about the Cave of Gold:

• Appearance:
  The cave itself is described as having shimmering walls adorned with intricate carvings, with a large chamber that opens up to a dazzling display of gold, reflecting light in all directions.
• Golden Idol:
  The central treasure is often a large, golden statue of a mythical creature or deity, radiating an almost mystical aura.
• Traps and Guardians:
  To protect the treasure, the cave is said to have numerous deadly traps, including pressure plates, hidden pitfalls, and even magical guardians that appear to defend the treasure.
• Mystical Elements:
  Some stories may add an element of supernatural energy or a mystical presence within the cave, further enhancing its allure and danger.

 

[sdcfia]

Does anybody have an accurate description of the Cave of Gold that was featured in The Treasure of the Valley of Secrets. Here's an AI description.

In "Treasure of the Valley of Secrets," the "Cave of Gold" is depicted as a vast, hidden cavern deep within a remote mountain range, filled with glittering gold artifacts, jewels, and precious metals, seemingly untouched for centuries, guarded by ancient traps and mystical elements, with a legendary golden idol at its heart, often described as the ultimate treasure sought by adventurers seeking the valley's secrets.

Key details about the Cave of Gold:

• Appearance:
  The cave itself is described as having shimmering walls adorned with intricate carvings, with a large chamber that opens up to a dazzling display of gold, reflecting light in all directions.
• Golden Idol:
  The central treasure is often a large, golden statue of a mythical creature or deity, radiating an almost mystical aura.
• Traps and Guardians:
  To protect the treasure, the cave is said to have numerous deadly traps, including pressure plates, hidden pitfalls, and even magical guardians that appear to defend the treasure.
• Mystical Elements:
  Some stories may add an element of supernatural energy or a mystical presence within the cave, further enhancing its allure and danger.

I wouldn't trust AI at all for its reliability. Just sayin'.

I just skimmed through Miller's (or as he called himself this time, Deek Gladson) Treasure of the Valley of Secrets, this morning, all 46 tedious pages of it, . Included in my .pdf file is Miller's own annotated copy of Walter Hurt's The Scarlett Shadow . These are presumably his pencilled notes in the margins (I found Poe's The Gold Bug reference particularly interesting). Notice also the weird line work such as on the page 375 example below. Somehow, the TVS cave, LUE, et al, location at the headwaters region of the Purgatoire River is conflated with the events of the proposed labor conspiracy shenanigans in TSS and somehow related.

To answer your question, dog, there are many general allegations about the Cave in TVS from many sources, but really, no particular convincing testimony about its details, IMO. Lots of innuendos from tall tale references.

However, lets toss some fuel to the LUE conspiracy fire. At the end of TVS , Miller adds two "FINIS" pages. I say "conspiracy" because of the unusual inking in of numerous lower case letter o's on those pages. Not all letter o's, but lots of them. Why? A word code? Some sort of Baconian cypher? A geometrical pattern? A map overlay? Ha ha.

I think you and cuz are doing some excellent work lately with the Masonic connections to the cartoon map. As you know, my bottom line on Miller is that he was a disinformationist for the Organization.

 

[mdog]

I wouldn't trust AI at all for its reliability. Just sayin'.

I just skimmed through Miller's (or as he called himself this time, Deek Gladson) Treasure of the Valley of Secrets, this morning, all 46 tedious pages of it, . Included in my .pdf file is Miller's own annotated copy of Walter Hurt's The Scarlett Shadow . These are presumably his pencilled notes in the margins (I found Poe's The Gold Bug reference particularly interesting). Notice also the weird line work such as on the page 375 example below. Somehow, the TVS cave, LUE, et al, location at the headwaters region of the Purgatoire River is conflated with the events of the proposed labor conspiracy shenanigans in TSS and somehow related.

To answer your question, dog, there are many general allegations about the Cave in TVS from many sources, but really, no particular convincing testimony about its details, IMO. Lots of innuendos from tall tale references.

However, lets toss some fuel to the LUE conspiracy fire. At the end of TVS , Miller adds two "FINIS" pages. I say "conspiracy" because of the unusual inking in of numerous lower case letter o's on those pages. Not all letter o's, but lots of them. Why? A word code? Some sort of Baconian cypher? A geometrical pattern? A map overlay? Ha ha.

I think you and cuz are doing some excellent work lately with the Masonic connections to the cartoon map. As you know, my bottom line on Miller is that he was a disinformationist for the Organization.

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Sdcfia, thank you very much for the information. In The Scarlet Shadow, is there a description of the inside of the cave? Daryl Friesen made a video about the subject and he started reading about the inside of the cave but then he just stopped. If there is a description of the inside of the cave, in the book, I'd like to see it. Thanks again.

 

[cuzimloony]

I wouldn't trust AI at all for its reliability. Just sayin'.

I just skimmed through Miller's (or as he called himself this time, Deek Gladson) Treasure of the Valley of Secrets, this morning, all 46 tedious pages of it, . Included in my .pdf file is Miller's own annotated copy of Walter Hurt's The Scarlett Shadow . These are presumably his pencilled notes in the margins (I found Poe's The Gold Bug reference particularly interesting). Notice also the weird line work such as on the page 375 example below. Somehow, the TVS cave, LUE, et al, location at the headwaters region of the Purgatoire River is conflated with the events of the proposed labor conspiracy shenanigans in TSS and somehow related.

To answer your question, dog, there are many general allegations about the Cave in TVS from many sources, but really, no particular convincing testimony about its details, IMO. Lots of innuendos from tall tale references.

However, lets toss some fuel to the LUE conspiracy fire. At the end of TVS , Miller adds two "FINIS" pages. I say "conspiracy" because of the unusual inking in of numerous lower case letter o's on those pages. Not all letter o's, but lots of them. Why? A word code? Some sort of Baconian cypher? A geometrical pattern? A map overlay? Ha ha.

I think you and cuz are doing some excellent work lately with the Masonic connections to the cartoon map. As you know, my bottom line on Miller is that he was a disinformationist for the Organization.

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"Valley of Secrets....."
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