Legend of the Stone Maps

[coazon de oro]

Hey Homar,
Life isn't necessarily fair. People can drag you into court for anything, then lie through their teeth when they get there. "I just found my grandpa's diary. Looks like those gold coins you found in the back yard were his and they rightfully belong to our family." Etc, etc, etc. You might spend your new fortune on lawyers. Or settle. I've been involved in a similar situation myself for the past two years (property boundary dispute). There's sociopathic liars out there.

Howdy sdcfia,

I am well aware that life is not fair, and that there are sociopathic liars out there. Property boundary disputes are a different matter than treasure finds. I was asking for legality of treasure find on your own property. The previous owner would need to present definite proof that the treasure belonged to him, or her.

Homar

 

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[coazon de oro]

Homar,

I agree it is much too late for a land owner to raise ownership issues. Its called laches. Which is basically setting on your rights too long whereby one can no longer exercise those rights. It least that's what its called here. In the eastern states we go by old English law. You guys out west have a mixture of laws which I don't begin to understand.

Usually my posts are too wordy. In this case, I didn't say enough. What I was trying to convey was the thought that "at the time of the find" it could have been a theft issue on private property which would have been a locally prosecuted issue. But; would not have involved the FBI, at least not on that issue.

The Securities investigator in the stock issue may have alerted the FBI if (big if) there was an indication of fraud involved. We have nothing from the file which gives any indication that fraud was ever investigated. If it was, there should have been a surviving file. If there was no interstate criminal investigation the FBI had "0" authority to do anything.

Howdy Lynda,

I was not referring to the present. I was referring to the time that the stones were made public. I am sure that if the land owner had been aware, he would have taken Travis to court. Seems like the owner, and the law were too late to do anything about them.

Homar

 

[cw0909]

might answer some of the land owner Qs

Time Crime: Protecting the Past for Future Generations By Robert D. Hicks
https://www2.fbi.gov/publications/leb/1997/july971.htm

 

[sdcfia]

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SIMPLE:

Bob + FBI = at least 100 years old. Don't try and assume anybody's intentions or motives. Just go by what Bob said. End of story. I know it doesn't jibe with your and Ryan's theories, but it is the simple truth.

Mike

Hardly. Mr. Corbin may simply have been misinformed. We (including you) can't know. Bottom line: there no FBI lab report with which to make a judgement, which indicates that no analysis was made. Dead duck.

 

[sdcfia]

Howdy sdcfia,

I am well aware that life is not fair, and that there are sociopathic liars out there. Property boundary disputes are a different matter than treasure finds. I was asking for legality of treasure find on your own property. The previous owner would need to present definite proof that the treasure belonged to him, or her.

Homar

Legal proceedings are hardly predictable in the real world.

I guess you're trying to apply the discussion to the PSMs, where they were recovered and either the previous landowner's rights, or the original PSM creator's rights. That'll be a tough application - from what I've seen, the stones may have been created in some unknown shop in some unknown location.

 

[deducer]

deducer,

Believe what you want. Jim was very involved in the Stone Map story. There are many people who know how he blew up and cursed a supposed friend when he voiced his opinion that the Stone Maps were a hoax.

Makes me laugh to see the like you received for your post. Jim hated that person.

Joe Ribaudo

Jim is no longer here (and neither is Bilbrey), and so I fail to see how Jim, as a person, is relevant to the discussion at hand or any other discussion.

You recounting how he blew up, or who he liked or didn't liked, contributes absolutely nothing to improving our knowledge of the Stone Maps or the provenance of said.

I, on the other hand, have heard a few stories about you that I will not be sharing as these stories do not contribute anything either.

Last but not least, if the worst thing Jim ever did was blow up at another person or delete your posts, that makes him far from the worst DH'er- some of who have murdered, stolen, or inflicted harm, all in the name of what they thought was at the end of the trail on the Stone Maps.

 

[DiggerGal]

Howdy sdcfia,

I am well aware that life is not fair, and that there are sociopathic liars out there. Property boundary disputes are a different matter than treasure finds. I was asking for legality of treasure find on your own property. The previous owner would need to present definite proof that the treasure belonged to him, or her.

Homar

Homar,

Here is the statute in regards to "Personal Property"

The Antiquities Act initially states that it applies to lands owned or controlled by the federal government. However, it also states that, where the objects to be preserved are on privately owned lands, the property “may be relinquished to the Government.”28 It is not clear whether relinquishment is voluntary or may include condemnation. Courts have only discussed the issue as a side matter to the dispute they were resolving. In two such cases, the courts have indicated that relinquishment should be interpreted as a voluntary surrender of property. The more recent decision, in 2008, stated that the Antiquities Act “does not authorize government officials forcibly to take private property to provide such care or to enter private land.”29 In 1978, the Supreme Court described the Antiquities Act as applying solely to federal property: “A reservation under the Antiquities Act thus means no more than that the land is shifted from one federal use, and perhaps from one federal managing agency, to another.”30

Tina

 

[sgtfda]

Jim is no longer here (and neither is Bilbrey), and so I fail to see how Jim, as a person, is relevant to the discussion at hand or any other discussion.

You recounting how he blew up, or who he liked or didn't liked, contributes absolutely nothing to improving our knowledge of the Stone Maps or the provenance of said.

I, on the other hand, have heard a few stories about you that I will not be sharing as these stories do not contribute anything either.

Last but not least, if the worst thing Jim ever did was blow up at another person or delete your posts, that makes him far from the worst DH'er- some of who have murdered, stolen, or inflicted harm, all in the name of what they thought was at the end of the trail on the Stone Maps.

Everyone involved in the history of the mountain had their good and bad points. It's interesting and we all can learn something.

 

[Azquester]

What just happened to Video 6?

 

[sgtfda]

I'm sorry but it is a fact no one can say for sure who has the original stone maps. Testing is useless unless you have the original stones. Prove the stones exhibited anywhere are the original. For all we know Travis wife sold copies to Mitchell. The only one who knows for sure is Travis. Perhaps he will supply evidence from the grave.

 

[releventchair]

Sarge: to your question of different or not ,I say quite different.
Bill, a wild guess is temporary quarantine.

 

[sgtfda]

Opinion
Are these the same stone?

 

[DiggerGal]

Not the same stones Frank. Quite different if you look close. My opinion anyway.

 

[azdave35]

Opinion
Are these the same stone?View attachment 1181476View attachment 1181477

the first thing you see is different colors (but that could be the camera)...

 

[Azquester]

Obviously those two were made with two different types of Coco.

I prefer the darker chocolate myself but with those preformed cracks they do both predate the modern Chocolate Easter Snap Bunnies.

Opinion
Are these the same stone?View attachment 1181476View attachment 1181477

 

[Las Vegas Bob]

I would say they are not the same.

BTW to whom which moderator is moderating, what happened to the video 6 forum

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

LVB, thread was deleted by admins because it contained sponsors on video that are non supporting vendors here.

 

[sgtfda]

This stone was photographed at the AZ mining Assoc in 1994 by Jack San Felice. He stated the are the original maps. The other is obviously at the SSM.

 

[gollum]

View attachment 1181491

This stone was photographed at the AZ mining Assoc in 1994 by Jack San Felice. He stated the are the original maps. The other is obviously at the SSM.

Frank,

This is a pic of the Heart Insert that I took in 2010 at the Superstition Museum side by side with Jack's Pic:



Look very closely. Same Stone.

Also, here is my correspondence with Greg Davis:



Mike

 

[DiggerGal]

Making all things closer to equal: take a look. Definitely NOT the same stone.