Legend of the Stone Maps

[sgtfda]

You do know what a harp refers to?

 

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[DiggerGal]

Hei !

Somebody deleted my post ( should be the #280 ) which was posted at 04:46 AM today . The post received a LIke from " captain 1965 " And now remain only the date and the sender without the thread name .

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The post was Reply with Quote of post # 277 adressed to " DiggerGal " and says : " Tina - Is a harp . "

I am waiting for an explanation from the mods .

It's quote #280 and it's still there.

 

[DiggerGal]

You do know what a harp refers to?

I don't other than the instrument Sarge.

 

[sgtfda]

You must live a sheltered life. A harp was slang for a lady of the night.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Hei !

Somebody deleted my post ( should be the #280 ) which was posted at 04:46 AM today . The post received a LIke from " captain 1965 " And now remain only the date and the sender without the thread name .

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The post was Reply with Quote of post # 277 adressed to " DiggerGal " and says : " Tina - Is a harp . "

I am waiting for an explanation from the mods .

You want explanation, mods are not required to give one but since you asked, you insulted a female member...

Harp has multiple meanings, all are derogatory when directed at a lady.....


When a post or thread disappears the proper process is to pm a mod, don't retype what was deleted...

 

[DiggerGal]

You must live a sheltered life. A harp was slang for a lady of the night.

Thanks Sarge. I learned something new!

 

[DiggerGal]

Thank You Mods for looking out for me. I didn't take offense to it, as I didn't know the meaning as a "slang" term. I don't think Markmar meant it in a derogatory sense either.
So..... Back on topic! [emoji41]

 

[Old]

<Harp has multiple meanings, all are derogatory when directed at a lady.....>

Wow, I was going to explain what a borrow pit was to Bill..........but because modern vulgar slang has corrupted the alternate definition words......think I'll skip that discussion.

Sad commentary on the extent of political correctness limiting the ability to discuss, of all things!, treasure clues in their full context.

Bill, private message me if you want the low down.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Thank You Mods for looking out for me. I didn't take offense to it, as I didn't know the meaning as a "slang" term. I don't think Markmar meant it in a derogatory sense either.
So..... Back on topic! [emoji41]

I believe you are most likely correct which is why I chose to just delete it and not make an issue of it or issue any warning public or private......

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

TH

You wrote " ... directed to a lady " . I don't wrote " you are " but " is a " , a different meaning without direction .

The next time when I will write the same word , I will write beside " musical instrument " .

Sir, if you said "she is a harp" it would have meant same in English and treated same. If you said her voice is sweet as a harp there would not have been an issue at all....

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Harp A method of hi frequency trnsmission to effect weather in various parts of the world.

Harp = a no money down on a home for veterans

Harp = A stringed instrument.

Harpy = a lady of the night or one with nefarious intentions


An indirect reference to heaven, or a threat.

Harp = to continually repeat a subject..




Siince Marius is speaking a different language than his mother tongue , and past posts

His past posts indicate a gentleman


I agree with you Treasure Hunter, but intent ?

 

[SUPERDAD]

Allow me to correct myself on one item. The name on the horse stone map is Pedro, and not Pablo as I had written. Crucify me if you must, but at
my age the memory gets fuzzy
from time to time. The name can be found just above the horses left rear leg. It is Pedro who wrote the map.


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[Hal Croves]

Allow me to correct myself on one item. The name on the horse stone map is Pedro, and not Pablo as I had written. Crucify me if you must, but at
my age the memory gets fuzzy
from time to time. The name can be found just above the horses left rear leg. It is Pedro who wrote the map.


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An honest mistake SUPERDAD. We all make them.
My only concern is that you are not being objective enough when it comes to the story/history behind your discovery.
Be careful and trust nothing you read as fact until you prove it to yourself, with research.

Looking forward to your photographs and explanation of the stone maps.

 

[Hal Croves]

SUPERDAD

Its not impossible that there was an Apache attack on a mining expedition in the Superstitions. The records don't confirm it but, all it would take would be one old shaft, some metal tools, and the remains of a few peons to change things.


"May 9, 1848 - Agua de las Mesteñas (Whetstone Mountains). Fifteen Tucson residents were masacred. Captain Limón of the Santa Cruz Presidio took some soldiers out to retrieve the bodies on July 7th. They brought them back to Santa Cruz and buried them in the cemetery there."

As close to it as I can get.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Superdad, ok, forgiven. but watch it in the future

 

[Hal Croves]

<Harp has multiple meanings, all are derogatory when directed at a lady.....>

Wow, I was going to explain what a borrow pit was to Bill..........but because modern vulgar slang has corrupted the alternate definition words......think I'll skip that discussion.

Sad commentary on the extent of political correctness limiting the ability to discuss, of all things!, treasure clues in their full context.

Bill, private message me if you want the low down.

Old,
Somehow I missed this post. But you are correct in the idea that time and political temperature shape our vocabulary. Words become extinct or take on entirely new meanings, continually. Sometimes, it's difficult to keep up, especially when living in a city, populated by people of color. It's like walking a tight rope, one slip or missed placed word and your in trouble. Can you imagine finding the Lost ****** Ben Mine today? Can you imagine the headlines and resulting backlash?


However, it's not a new phenomenon. I spend quite a bit of time lost in old books, trying to make up for years of not reading. One of the words that I stumbled across, that gave me a very difficult time was "Hassayampa". "Another Hassayampa.." I had to look the word up. Turns out that it is the name of a river, with headwaters just south of Prescott, that claimed one hundred lives in the 1890 dam failure. But it was also the name used to describe the many secretive miners who camped along that rivers banks and told white "lies" to keep their discovery locations secret.


Those who drink its waters bright-
Red man, white man, boor or knight,
Girls or women, boys or men-
Never tell the truth again.


I wonder if Travis was a Hassayampa? Not a liar, but a Hassayampa where the stone maps and their discovery location is concerned.


Today, Hassayampa is used to describe someone old and or out of touch. "Ignore that old Hassayampa, he's been out in the sun too long." It's a fantastic word and I think completely relevant in all it's meaning to those who are involved in the hunt for lost mines and treasure in the Superstitions. Even more so to those who have found something worth keeping secret.


I am a Hassayampa, not a liar, but a Hassayampa.
The Hassayampa... What a great title for a book.

 

[cw0909]

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i used this img
http://www.desertusa.com/lost-dutchman/photos/horse006.jpg

Allow me to correct myself on one item. The name on the horse stone map is Pedro, and not Pablo as I had written. Crucify me if you must, but at
my age the memory gets fuzzy
from time to time. The name can be found just above the horses left rear leg. It is Pedro who wrote the map.


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[somehiker]

Hall:

Different people say different things at different times, based on what they remember of the telling in their own telling.
Although this factor can complicate a history, it's what is used to determine for which side of the scale the preponderance of evidence weighs heavy.
Although outright lies, omissions, or even hassayampanisms are indeed part of the reason for the difficulty we face at arriving our personal verdict, they must be considered. As Gary explained in his post on the other active thread, we shouldn't assume that the Tumlinson familily members lied to those who interviewed or corresponded with them these past few years. In fact one is on record (see Azmula's article part 2 in the SMHS periodical) as saying that the stones which Travis which family members had seen Travis carving, had never left Texas. To Gary's missive, I would add the caveat that we should also afford the same consideration to that which was offered from Travis and Robert Tumlinson, as well as those who were in contact with them while they were directly involved with the stone maps.
For everything else, I personally prefer "caveat emptor".


CW:

That photo is one of many of the cast copies of the stones. The moulds were taken from the stones housed by the AMMM, and a number of copies made using plaster of paris. One set of copies was kept by the AMMM and used for display, with the "originals" held safe under lock and key, and the remainder of the copies sold. Some of the detail may not be distinct as with the "originals", now on display at the Superstition Mountain Museum. The copies vary in colour as well, and would have been stained after the plaster had hardened.

Regards:SH.

 

[Hal Croves]

Hall:

Different people say different things at different times, based on what they remember of the telling in their own telling.
Although this factor can complicate a history, it's what is used to determine for which side of the scale the preponderance of evidence weighs heavy.
Although outright lies, omissions, or even hassayampanisms are indeed part of the reason for the difficulty we face at arriving our personal verdict, they must be considered. As Gary explained in his post on the other active thread, we shouldn't assume that the Tumlinson familily members lied to those who interviewed or corresponded with them these past few years. In fact one is on record (see Azmula's article part 2 in the SMHS periodical) as saying that the stones which Travis which family members had seen Travis carving, had never left Texas. To Gary's missive, I would add the caveat that we should also afford the same consideration to that which was offered from Travis and Robert Tumlinson, as well as those who were in contact with them while they were directly involved with the stone maps.
For everything else, I personally prefer "caveat emptor".


CW:

That photo is one of many of the cast copies of the stones. The moulds were taken from the stones housed by the AMMM, and a number of copies made using plaster of paris. One set of copies was kept by the AMMM and used for display, with the "originals" held safe under lock and key, and the remainder of the copies sold. Some of the detail may not be distinct as with the "originals", now on display at the Superstition Mountain Museum. The copies vary in colour as well, and would have been stained after the plaster had hardened.

Regards:SH.

Somehiker,
As is frequently the case, memories become fuzzy with time. I would like to think that most people tell their version of the truth most of the time. Labeling someone, anyone a liar when the waters are grey is an exercise in futility. A good example of this is my long winded post on the Tucson lead object. I honestly don't believe that anyone involved in the controversial discovery was a liar. Simply the misfortune of discovering something that we don't fully understand. Something that we are well familiar with in the Superstitions.

In my mind the argument over Travis caving the stone can be resolved with one simple date. What year was he seen carving the stones in TX? It seems that we don't have that answer or those who know it simply don't wish to share it.

At least not on an open forum.
Which is too bad.
: (
You can learn a lot from a date.

Nice post somehiker.
Don't forget that red brick like rock. If that turns out to be something, then you will have validated that site as quite possibly, the site.

PS.
When I wrote that I was a Hassayampa, I was using the word to describe someone old and out of touch.

 

[sdcfia]

Somehiker,
I would like to think that most people tell their version of the truth most of the time. <cut>

Not if the potential of great wealth is involved. If a person feels that he might personally benefit from proprietary information he possesses - whether or not that information is actually valid - he will no doubt camouflage it, if he says anything at all. Human nature.