LDM why you cant get it ! MAP #10

[somehiker]

Nope.
And we weren't even looking for a mine, either.
First part was easy....for me, anyway.
You guys got the hard part. And the hard rocks too, I might add.
But someone's got to look out for any nosey's what might come along....right ?

Regards:Wayne

 

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[wrmickel1]

just callin' it as I see it............

JackH

Thats a nice half dime you got there, To bad its got 4 legs. Well any way my home town is called the Buffola City and we go to the Buffalo Bar to wet the gums and we have the worlds largest buffalo it weighs 52 tons and the city slogan is don't let the buffalo roam.

But reading your posts I feel I'm being.........BUFFALO!

 

[JackH]

"Waltz" highgrading most of what was missing in a cart of
rich ore, maybe.

1) I would think that highgrading a lot of ore as that story
suggests, probably didn't happen. He may have took some,
only "Waltz" and maybe Ken-Tee knows for sure, they "ain't
talkin."

2) One has to remember that "Waltz" turned in the highest
grade ore ever. There would have been more of this ore to
surface if highgrading was the answer. There were more than
one person working at the Vulture mine that could highgrade.

But reading your posts I feel I'm being.........BUFFALO!

Thanks for your response, but I couldn't pass up the opportunity
to post 'lil buffalo'. That posting was only to address a good
process that Many use in their investigation. I do Not take that
avenue as I have found Many other important clues, my way.

I had a feeling that a Breakthrough was coming, and It did. I
also think we will be coming back to It.

It can take hours to make a single post in any of my Threads. I
don't waste my time on Fiction. "Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction."

You obviously have not read much of what I have offered in all of
my Threads.

I recommend that you read my Explanation of the Peralta Heart
Stone in my first thread "LDM why you can't get it ! One of the
Key's there is "The Upper Guard." Then compare MAP #10 with
that ! If you cannot see that one is the Duplicate of the Other,
then I would stay in the "Weavers Needle" area like the Majority
of Hunters.

God created this Earth, and One of those Wonderful effects of
this Creation is the Superstition Mountains. On this Crown the
Superstition's, is the Crown Jewel, which sits above all else.

It has been suggested that some of what has been found in
the "Superstition's" has been planted there. If Any has been
planted, then All may have been Planted.

I have a following of @ 40 readers. Most do not respond, and
that's OK. I feel an obligation to continue this process because
some are Believers in the Great Possibility that I am on the Right
Track. Like a Few before Me.


Jack

 

[JackH]

Fort McDowell Yavapai Nation

Quote: The Yavapai Nation is dedicated to keeping its culture alive through the spreading of time-honored stories,
arts, and traditions further than its Arizona Indian Reservation boundaries. Yavapai share with the outside world what
they can, and keep what is considered most sacred to themselves.

The easiest way to verify this quote, is click on the Fort McDowell Casino after
opening (places) on your Google Earth side bar (layers)
Then click on:
1) From the Owner
2) About Yavapai Nation

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_River_Pima-Maricopa_Indian_Community)
Man in the Maze

Main article: I'itoi
Central to the beliefs of the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community is the story of the Man in the Maze,
or I'itoi ki:k, which is the symbol seen on the great seal.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] This ancient pattern visible at the
right is representative of the journey a person makes through life, including obstacles and problems. The
figure is called Elder Brother and he is about to make his way through the maze where at the center, he will
find the Sun God who is there to greet him and bless him into the next world. The symbol belongs to the
Akimel O’odham (Pima), Pee-Posh (Maricopa), and Tohono O'odham tribes and is traditionally represented in
petroglyphs and basket designs.[SUP][1][/SUP]

 

[John_Arizona]

it's better off if you just go hike in there and you will get a better understanding and analogy how things operate and learn to read the spanish signs by Kenworthy etc. Everyone has an "idea" where that LDM is... I could care less... but quit messing around with maps, get your GPS and just go in there... there's plenty of gold all over the place in Arizona... but after you've been to the LDM... just remember there were others there before you and it was empty. Professionals don't tell where it is, they go there... if they find something, they keep their mouths shut.

 

[JackH]

it's better off if you just go hike in there and you will get a better understanding and analogy how things operate and learn to read the spanish signs by Kenworthy etc. Everyone has an "idea" where that LDM is... I could care less... but quit messing around with maps, get your GPS and just go in there... there's plenty of gold all over the place in Arizona... but after you've been to the LDM... just remember there were others there before you and it was empty. Professionals don't tell where it is, they go there... if they find something, they keep their mouths shut.

Hello John Arizona,

Thanks for stopping by. And Welcome to the Forum LDM.

That is a beautiful avatar you have chosen to use.


A few things I want to address that you mentioned:
1) I agree with most of what you wrote.

Except:
2) No One can take Gold or any precious metals out of Arizona Legally the
last time I checked.
3) Red Mountain is on Reservation Land and they want No One other than
Tribe Members on it. There may be a restriction for them as well.
4) If the last Peralta Mine is the LDM which I believe it is, as do a few others,
it is Not Mined Out.
5) I am Not here for personal wealth.
6) The last post before yours is all about the Basis of the Tribes Religion &
how it relates to our Search. Which you said, "I could care less"...


Jack

 

[markmar]

John_Arizona

First off all , I don't understand how could be empty a mine who have a gold vein . The LDM is not a warehouse . To go out there with a GPS is a good recreation . Many of us knows about spanish and others folks sings .
To discover the real LDM and to claim this , is the most professional act . To work illegal , with fear , is sure how someday your professional career will be ended .

Marius

 

[somehiker]

Jack:

A few questions....

Which Tribe controls your area of interest ?
Red Mountain and the small hill in particular.
When and why did they close the area to recreational hikers ?

What is the origin of the Maze depicted on the Pima-Maricopa Seal, and which European writer was the first to describe this Maze and it's location.
Does another Maze exist in another location similar to the first ?
Is there a larger Maze, between the two mentioned above, which can be traversed on foot ?
Another cultural group in Arizona has a similar Maze as well .
Do you know who they are ?

I'm not trying to throw any curve balls across your plate.
Finding the answers to these and other questions can get pretty interesting, believe me.

Regards:SH.

 

[JackH]

Jack:

A few questions....

Which Tribe controls your area of interest ?
Red Mountain and the small hill in particular.
When and why did they close the area to recreational hikers ?

What is the origin of the Maze depicted on the Pima-Maricopa Seal, and which European writer was the first to describe this Maze and it's location.
Does another Maze exist in another location similar to the first ?
Is there a larger Maze, between the two mentioned above, which can be traversed on foot ?
Another cultural group in Arizona has a similar Maze as well .
Do you know who they are ?

I'm not trying to throw any curve balls across your plate.
Finding the answers to these and other questions can get pretty interesting, believe me.

Regards:SH.

(I STAND CORRECTED) somehiker

The boundries Clearly show "Salt River Indian Reservation" within the DeLorme Atlas & Gazetteer Arizona.
As the property owners of Red Mountain and the little hill.

Obviously, I have a bit more research to do SH.

I did notice the similarity of the Maze's before I posted in ( ERROR).

Quote: "Finding the answers to these and other questions can get pretty interesting, believe me."

I was on the lead with something yesterday, and it Now completes the picture !

Thanks for the "Heads UP" somehiker.


Jack

 

[JackH]

(A standing Ovation) The Success of the Gila River Indian Community !

Gambling Times - Player's Guide
On June 25, 1994 the Gila River Indian Community opened the doors to their first casino. The Lone Butte casino was a small 8000 square foot facility that housed 271 slot machines, a deli, and employed 300 people. By May 13, 1995 the first Wildhorse Pass Sprung structure was opened, the first business to open on a parcel of 5000 acres of undeveloped land, which was slated to become home to a permanent casino, hotel-resort, golf course, and retail outlets. This temporary structure included 500 slots, 1000 seat bingo hall, a deli and buffet. Employment grew to over 1000 with 65% of these original employees tribal members.

In a bold move that has never been seen in the gaming industry, commercial or Indian, the Community soon broke ground on the permanent Wildhorse and Vee Quiva Casinos. The plan was to build them simultaneously and open them within 30 days of each other. This plan included closing the two temporary casinos, moving personnel and equipment to the new casinos all while keeping two casinos operational at all times. The strict timelines were kept and in November 1997 Wildhorse Pass Casino was opened. Vee Quiva Casino was opened at the beginning of December of the same year.

Together the two casinos created more than 1500 jobs, the majority held by tribal members who live on the reservation. The renewed commitment to tribal services helped create another 1,000 employment opportunities. As a direct result, the community's unemployment rate fell from 40% in 1993 to its' current level of 15%. (end)
=================================================================================
(History) from their own site

1993

• Gila River Indian Community signed gaming compact

1994

• Original Lone Butte Casino opened May 25 (6,800 sq.ft.)
• 1 Deli
• 271 Slot Machines

(jump to):
2008

• The new Lone Butte Casino opened in November..................................60,000,000

2009

• The new Wild Horse Pass Hotel & Casino opened October 30................200,000,000

2011
(azcentral.com) 14 Dec 2011 it is announced..............................................160,000,000

replace old Vee Quiva....................$135,000,000
improvements to Lone Butte...........$25,000,000

Total Investment from 2008-current.........................................................$420,000,000
=============================================================================
Gila River Casinos

Gila River Casinos is a Casinos/Gaming business with its headquarters based in Chandler, AZ. Their employees gross about $67227, and currently, there are 0 job openings in the company. Their employee count is greater than 1000, while their annual revenue amount to more than fifty million.
=============================================================================

Tribal projects boost Phoenix construction sector - Phoenix Business Journal

The Tohono O’odham Nation still wants to build a $500 million casino in the West Valley if it can overcome lawsuits from the city of Glendale and other tribes opposing the project.

Quote from same article: (“Fortunately, the tribes have weathered the economic downturn quite well and are one of the groups that is continuing to move forward with large-scale projects.")

 

[markmar]

JackH

What is the money source to start the Tribe this business ?
In my opinion the source is


Marius

 

[JackH]

JackH

Which is the money source to start the Tribe this business ?
My opinion is how the source is

Marius

Hello Marius,

I have found only one (1) entry and it says: financing by (Private sector)


Thanks for asking,

Jack

 

[hooch]

Lol yea the river bottom indians cashed in their secret gold stash and started casinos in Ahwatukee. They had financial backers just like every casino. Hence Private Sector.

 

[JackH]

Lol yea the river bottom indians cashed in their secret gold stash and started casinos in Ahwatukee. They had financial backers just like every casino. Hence Private Sector.

Hello hooch,

I would like to welcome you to this LDM Thread, but
you have been hangin' round 4 1/2 years with 29
responses. Well, Hell, to me you're an "old timer."

This Thread does in No way Take what is Rightfully
the Owners Property since the beginning of Time.

But being on this side of the fence, it's all about
solving that Big Question......."LDM".

Thanks for stopping by hooch with your input.

You are always Welcome Here !

Jack

 

[GrizLeeBear]

I spent thirty days in Mesa from October to mid November. I spent most of those days hiking in the Superstitions. I spoke with people in the area and read some of the books. I can easily report that no two people have the same theory as to any gold in the area. I can unhappily report that in spite of my walking in from three directions and covering over fifty miles of trails, any gold that existed in that area prior to my arrival...is still there. But, it is a nice place to hike. I met a lot of nice people there too.

 

[somehiker]

Griz:
Sounds like thirty days well spent.

Regards:SH.

Hooch:
Them Pimas are pretty smart.
They probably knew the real meaning of that ....."2=3"......formula on the stones was "casino=gold mine" all along.

Regards:SH.

 

[hooch]

Griz:
Sounds like thirty days well spent.

Regards:SH.

Hooch:
Them Pimas are pretty smart.
They probably knew the real meaning of that ....."2=3"......formula on the stones was "casino=gold mine" all along.

Regards:SH.

The only thing the Pimas knew was sovereign nation, then a financial backer came in and the Indians have been driving brand new tahoes ever since. It's a story full of win.

 

[JackH]

Tribal Rangers

(we have been here before)
This complex is nearest Red Mountain. It is on the road south a few
hundred yards leading to the northeast. The last inhabitants of these
two buildings appears to be the Tribal Rangers as of 03.04.2011. It
sits abandoned now and the property cleared off.

It is so cleared off, it looks like a big vacuum cleaner came by.

Notice the hardware above the cab on the vehicle furthest to the right.
These are the vehicle colors used in the Tribal area.

It seems some colors are exclusive to each Tribe, with white most common.

These pic's are dated and cannot be verified.

The Gila River Rangers had a couple of ATV's specially built in 2009 but
the ATV reflecting off the sun seems to be much larger than those.
(Gila River Rangers' Teryx - Yamaha Rhino Forum - Rhino Forums.net)

You should also notice the plow on the middle ATV next to the house
on the left.

I have some questions about the 'plow' ATV.

This is a Heavily secured complex with a very high perimeter fence.

 

[hooch]

Now they have Ford Raptors.

 

[markmar]

somehiker

You wrote " They probably knew the real meaning of that ....."2=3"......formula "
In my opinion , the " 2=3-o-18= 7 " means " In the second map , to the pit of the third map ( the heart ) is yet seven of eighteen steps ( lugares ) .

Marius