Knapped Spear or Knife?

[riverdiver]

I went bottle diving and uncovered this knapped point, unsure if it is a spear or knife. Your collective knowledge is appreciated!​

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[MAMucker]

Good information Charm. In my opinion the op is a Cody complex item. I'm thrilled to learn that similar items are found that far east. I love learning.

Not sure that location of find was confirmed.

 

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[Charl]

Not sure that location of find was confirmed.

I’m surprised the OP never returned to comment on his thread. His info says he is from NH, but he only said he found it bottle digging. Still, if he found it in the Far Northeast, any New England state at least, it would almost surely be a Ste. Anne-Varney. And they are considered an Eastern form of Eden. Before the two type sites were excavated, and the combined name created, these were, in fact, informally called Eastern Eden. Now, if the OP had said “I found this digging for bottles in Wyoming...”

Edit: correction, he said “bottle diving”, not digging. I’m going to send him a pm and ask him to confirm he found it in NH. Hopefully, he’ll answer....

 

[riverdiver]

Hi guys,

Thanks for all of your input, I apologize for not specifying the location, since I am a bottle diver and not a point collector per se, I am remiss to give up prime hunting spots. I will confirm that this point as well as some pre-contact pottery and what looks to me like a white Rhylote drill were all recovered over a 30 year time span from the Central NH Winnipesaukee River drainage. I have previously posted the pottery sherds and had their provenance confirmed by the NH Archaelology Bureau.

 

[Charl]

Hi guys,

Thanks for all of your input, I apologize for not specifying the location, since I am a bottle diver and not a point collector per se, I am remiss to give up prime hunting spots. I will confirm that this point as well as some pre-contact pottery and what looks to me like a white Rhylote drill were all recovered over a 30 year time span from the Central NH Winnipesaukee River drainage. I have previously posted the pottery sherds and had their provenance confirmed by the NH Archaelology Bureau.

Thanks so much for confirming the general location. We are all careful with our prime spots, perfectly understandable. Congrats on a rare and great find!

 

[riverdiver]

Charl,

Thank you for the link!

 

[riverdiver]

Sorry All,

I post stuff then get back to diving and recovering. I have 2 other artifacts from this drainage to show but they are on my home computer and not my work computer, I will post later tonight for you to view and discuss. Thanks again for your collective knowledge and patience!

 

[Garscale]

Charl, sorry about mis spelling your name. Auto correct just insists you are Charm.

 

[Charl]

Charl, sorry about mis spelling your name. Auto correct just insists you are Charm.

Lol, no problem. If I don’t use spell check, I make mistakes. If I do use spell check, it makes mistakes....

 

[MAMucker]

That Point is outstanding. What a heart breaker!

Pardon me for hopping on the caboose here, but while we’re on the subject of late paleo and transitional points found in New England, here’s a couple broken points (I found in the same general area a few years back) that I’d like opinions on.

The first is a mid section. I thought it resembled a St. Anne-Varney. The second is a base, which strikes me as a possible Northeastern Agate Basin.

Notice the similarity in material.

 

[MAMucker]

Here is another possible resharpened example with slight shoulders. I’m not 100% positive it’s a Ste. Anne-Varney, but quite possible. Rhyolite, also from the North River drainage of eastern Ma., as was the other rhyolite example I posted...

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Parallel Stemmed? Trying to ID that one would keep me up at night.

Dalton-esque?

 

[uniface]

FWIW, Agate Basins, although (as genetics) found all the way across the US to the Atlantic, are chunky. Edens are thin, like yours.