Kind of tried Toasted's program today

[dirtlooter]

I have "borrowed" several programs from T-net members, including Toasted and a couple of Calabash Digger's. As I am writing this, just realized that on Toasted's program, I used a disc of 10 where he uses 0, not sure how this affected it at this point. Anyways, I used this program for several hours this morning in my dreaded mine field of tabs and rings. I primarily hunted around a very huge old oak tree as I figured people would hang around under it's shade etc. since it is the only tree for 75 yards or so in any direction. The majority of signals in this area are going to range from 60 to 79 (18khz). I always start off with the dig all attitude until I get too hot or tired then I dig 80s up. I mainly use the VDI when I get tired as I try to go by tone mainly. I did dig several pieces of iron, some round, some iron chain links as well as a few rusty car parts. I did dig quite a few pull tabs and rings hoping for a real one. I managed one clad dime, a couple memorials and finally a 56 wheatie. I didn't notice any big difference if any from my current go to program but this was just one small area. I will be trying it in a less trashy area in the next day or so as well as an older trashy spot. I was switching to different programs to see how some they responded to various targets before I dug them. I did dig about 5 fairly deep cans as well as some iron that I was pretty sure was iron before I dug them but wanted to make sure. I will try this program in some iron as well as with the 0 disc as Toasted has it. I guess I have been trying to see if I could tell a difference in tones for the same VDI, like does pull tab/ring with a VDI of 77 actually sound the same as a different metal that has the same 77? It sometimes seems like there is a slightly different tone on some tabs and rings but that could be just my ears. I plan to try CD's pitch program and Full Tones program next week as able.

 

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[vferrari]

Regarding tones. The way "full" tones is set up is there a number of tones that span the range of conductivities. I have not been able to get verification as to whether there is a unique tone for every target ID (i.e., 99 tones) but I have seen full tones described variously as anywhere from 32 to 99 unique tones across the target ID range. Regardless, for a given frequency say 12 khz, say that every three target ID numbers will give you a unique tone and say a pull tab rings up at 53, a gold ring rings up at 54, and a nickel rings up at 55 if a single common "full" tone rings up for each of those different targets, the tone frequency will be the same for each but the way the tone sounds may be different depending on the target. For example, if you have audio response set a 3 or lower, the larger, more massive metal object (or shallower object) may sound stronger in the headphones, in this case, that would likely be the nickel. Since the nickel is perfectly round, it's tone may also be sweeter and give a nice solid Ping! since the Deus favors the fields given off by circular objects since it is optimized for coins. The goldring will also sound good, but NOT as good because it is not solid. Similarly, you will get a pretty good sound from a pristine pull tab (especially a ring tab) but if it is not round or if it is bent or mangled, you will notice the tone to be a little off and distorted consistent with the shape distortion of the target as you pass the coil over it. It is these subtle audible cues that can help you tell the difference between these three targets even though the conductivities are similar, the target IDs are nearly the same, and the "full tone" frequency will be the same.

 

[dirtlooter]

Regarding tones. The way "full" tones is set up is there a number of tones that span the range of conductivities. I have not been able to get verification as to whether there is a unique tone for every target ID (i.e., 99 tones) but I have seen full tones described variously as anywhere from 32 to 99 unique tones across the target ID range. Regardless, for a given frequency say 12 khz, say that every three target ID numbers will give you a unique tone and say a pull tab rings up at 53, a gold ring rings up at 54, and a nickel rings up at 55 if a single common "full" tone rings up for each of those different targets, the tone frequency will be the same for each but the way the tone sounds may be different depending on the target. For example, if you have audio response set a 3 or lower, the larger, more massive metal object (or shallower object) may sound stronger in the headphones, in this case, that would likely be the nickel. Since the nickel is perfectly round, it's tone may also be sweeter and give a nice solid Ping! since the Deus favors the fields given off by circular objects since it is optimized for coins. The goldring will also sound good, but NOT as good because it is not solid. Similarly, you will get a pretty good sound from a pristine pull tab (especially a ring tab) but if it is not round or if it is bent or mangled, you will notice the tone to be a little off and distorted consistent with the shape distortion of the target as you pass the coil over it. It is these subtle audible cues that can help you tell the difference between these three targets even though the conductivities are similar, the target IDs are nearly the same, and the "full tone" frequency will be the same.

QUOTE=vferrari;5546352]Regarding tones. The way "full" tones is set up is there a number of tones that span the range of conductivities. I have not been able to get verification as to whether there is a unique tone for every target ID (i.e., 99 tones) but I have seen full tones described variously as anywhere from 32 to 99 unique tones across the target ID range. Regardless, for a given frequency say 12 khz, say that every three target ID numbers will give you a unique tone and say a pull tab rings up at 53, a gold ring rings up at 54, and a nickel rings up at 55 if a single common "full" tone rings up for each of those different targets, the tone frequency will be the same for each but the way the tone sounds may be different depending on the target. For example, if you have audio response set a 3 or lower, the larger, more massive metal object (or shallower object) may sound stronger in the headphones, in this case, that would likely be the nickel. Since the nickel is perfectly round, it's tone may also be sweeter and give a nice solid Ping! since the Deus favors the fields given off by circular objects since it is optimized for coins. The goldring will also sound good, but NOT as good because it is not solid. Similarly, you will get a pretty good sound from a pristine pull tab (especially a ring tab) but if it is not round or if it is bent or mangled, you will notice the tone to be a little off and distorted consistent with the shape distortion of the target as you pass the coil over it. It is these subtle audible cues that can help you tell the difference between these three targets even though the conductivities are similar, the target IDs are nearly the same, and the "full tone" frequency will be the same.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the conformation, I actually have some hearing loss and have hearing aids that I don't use when detecting. I use earbuds and they seem to work pretty well. When you have short term memory loss (it is a lot better than it was but still gives me fits at times), you sometimes question what you remember something sounded like earlier. My plans are to get more concentrated on the tones than VDI #s. For the most part, I don't hear a "sweet silver sound" like some say, I seem to be surprised that a target turns out to silver. I do know that a crumbled or bent tab or ring "hits" a little differently than a correct shaped one. I also know that the flat portion of pull ring that has broken off tends to hit much lower or at least that has been my experience so far. I always enjoy your input, usually a deeper explanation as to why or how come. I also like to hear what many have to say from experience as I know that many things happen that are contrary to what may be expected. I like to compare it to the the fish biting and biting very well in spite of the fishing predictions claiming it to be lousy at this time. My grandfather always said that there was some that didn't read the book and didn't know that they weren't supposed to be biting now. There are so many variables involved with this hobby that some things may not always hold true but for the most part. Anyways, thank you very much for your response. DL

 

[Deft Tones]

I've dug a few rings that ID the same number as a square tab and ring pulls, and I keep them bagged together for evidence. I find the tell is in the trailing end of the tone as the detection field of the coil slips off the target. For me, that's the moment of truth with aluminum and gold rings. Listening for a sharp, clean drop at the end works well, ime, so minimal squeaking or tone distortion as the coil slips off. If these subtle trailing tones rise slightly as the signal drops, I'll still give it a dig as it can be a ring with prongs, but when the trailing tone sounds lower than the original tone I've always seen trash as a result.

(Lost bottom half my damn post oh well, not typing it out again)

I call it warbling the signal. Intentional attempt at specific coil manipulation to force a disruption in the electrical field and cause target instability.

A tutorial video needs made, really. I sort of demonstrate it without explaining it in an old video from last year hunting inside an old abandoned building massivly infested with trash and iron, successfully pulling a few coins among it. I also describe it in an old post in this forum from last year, around spring.

Good hunting.

 

[dirtlooter]

I've dug a few rings that ID the same number as a square tab and ring pulls, and I keep them bagged together for evidence. I find the tell is in the trailing end of the tone as the detection field of the coil slips off the target. For me, that's the moment of truth with aluminum and gold rings. Listening for a sharp, clean drop at the end works well, ime, so minimal squeaking or tone distortion as the coil slips off. If these subtle trailing tones rise slightly as the signal drops, I'll still give it a dig as it can be a ring with prongs, but when the trailing tone sounds lower than the original tone I've always seen trash as a result.

(Lost bottom half my damn post oh well, not typing it out again)

I call it warbling the signal. Intentional attempt at specific coil manipulation to force a disruption in the electrical field and cause target instability.

A tutorial video needs made, really. I sort of demonstrate it without explaining it in an old video from last year hunting inside an old abandoned building massivly infested with trash and iron, successfully pulling a few coins among it. I also describe it in an old post in this forum from last year, around spring.

Good hunting.

1st, I lost my post earlier in response to Vterrari and had to redo it, yep I hate it to when that happens. I will try to find your video to watch it. When I am reasonably fresh, I dig all repeatable signals in a trashy area. I also try hard to listen for the faint ones too. I understand that irregularities in something like a gold ring that has been squashed can cause it to sound and hit differently. I am stuck inside for most of the day today or I would be out right now. I am deliberately digging the pull tabs etc because I have yet to find gold with my deus. I know that I have to both swing over it and dig it to find it, just as I have done with the AT GOLD and ACE 250. I have settled on Full Tones as my tone setting for the present time but also have a couple of pitch programs. Guys like you have used a lot more detectors than I, my first couple were just cheapies from Radio Shack in the mid 70s. The crazy thing is, before my strokes etc, I had electronic training in the Air Force as a radio repairman. Strokes always rob you of something and to have multiple strokes(the last several were small ones) leaves you with just enough knowledge to really get in trouble plus forgetful. Thanks for your help also. DL

 

[Deft Tones]

You're welcome. Sorry I'm so lazy but I peck on a tablet nowdays.

I'd be out at the park if we had some rain this summer. Been jacking around digging iron in the fields for practice and to get dirt under my nails.

I've a bit of ear drum damage (no hearing loss, just a distortion) to my right ear from a palm slap, but I turn the volume up more than needed not because of that, but to hear the faintest tells in the signals. Hard to describe, but most times aluminum tones cause the damaged eardrum to vibrate uncomfortably and I want to wince. I don't understand it, I just accept it that only the Deus full tones causes this "problem", none of my other units bother my ear.

I'd suggest looking for rings that don't mimic tabs and ring pulls if you just want to find your first Deus gold. When working a patch at a park, those rings I worry about last, as there are more rings that do not hit exactly like a ring or tab than those that do, imo & ime. Plus not many have the desire to dig tabs and work for those specific ring ranges, so they generally stay put until I get to them.

But I also think backwards re: trash. Learn to ID trash, not good signals, then the good signals speak for themselves.