KGC Symbols

[alec]

The whole point here is if the KGC put down the mega "depositories" or "vaults" with stacks of treasure in them. The only source for this information seems to be Orvus Howk and the black book, both being very dubious sources for real information. Howk was a lier and con man and was making up stuff faster than it could be written down.

There is no other source of information that even alludes to any mega treasures put down by the KGC. We all know that they existed and what their intentions were but they didn't accomplish their main goal and that was mainly because of a lack of funds. Why would the KGC be putting massive amounts of silver and gold (and copper if you believe Howk) in the ground when the South was having to borrow money from France? If their goal was to take over more land and help with the Civil War at the same time don't you think if they actually had any real money they would be putting it into the ongoing effort instead of putting it in the ground?

 

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[Walker Colt]

The whole point here is if the KGC put down the mega "depositories" or "vaults" with stacks of treasure in them. The only source for this information seems to be Orvus Howk and the black book, both being very dubious sources for real information. Howk was a lier and con man and was making up stuff faster than it could be written down.

There is no other source of information that even alludes to any mega treasures put down by the KGC. We all know that they existed and what their intentions were but they didn't accomplish their main goal and that was mainly because of a lack of funds. Why would the KGC be putting massive amounts of silver and gold (and copper if you believe Howk) in the ground when the South was having to borrow money from France? If their goal was to take over more land and help with the Civil War at the same time don't you think if they actually had any real money they would be putting it into the ongoing effort instead of putting it in the ground?

My belief is that the KGC evaporated into the confederate army in the south and northern members possibly joined or became other organizations such as OAK and the SOL. The CSA by 1865 had become a socialist state which couldn't supply its troops. So far I see no proof of hidden caches by the CSA or the KGC but like I say I keep an open mind.

 

[RGINN]

Being a member of the current day KGC, who sit around and do nothin, texas jay, what do you think ' Haga bien a los pobres, tenga compasion de los infortunados, y dios cuidara de lo demas' means, and what is it doing at the top of a KGC missive? Tu sabi o no?

 

[Texas Jay]

RGINN, once again you are wrong. I am not a member of the current day KGC because there is no such organization. The KGC, operating under various aliases, closed shop in 1916. Are you drunk or something? It's obvious that you know nothing about me because sitting around and doing nothing is certainly not on my busy daily schedule and anyone who knows anything about me knows this truth. I also have more to do than sit around here and replying to obnoxious insulting messages from you and other naysayers. Adios.
~Texas Jay

 

[cccalco]

Tu sabi o no?

I think you have Jay confused with another member of this forum. If he has taken offense to that it is understandable. I hope that is just an error on your part and we can dispense any rudeness. As for the proverb, it is a beautiful one and as to why it was included there I can only suggest that when songs or poems are included with other documents they sometimes substitute as some type on anthem. It brings comfort to the reader even today.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

The 1916 date comes from page 188 of Jesse James Was One of His Names. What Houk didn't make up in that book Schrader did. The book is about 95% lies and fantasy. Anybody who is basing their KGC theories on information provided by Orvus Lee Houk aka Howk,Hawk, Jesse Lee James, Jesse James III, Frank Hawks, The Hawk, etc. are doing so on false information.

 

[Texas Jay]

Determining where Howk or Schrader elaborated on the actual story of Jesse James and what came from Jesse James himself is not an easy chore but one that must be done if anyone is ever able to learn the truth. "Jesse James Was One of His Names" was not the only source of the 1916 date. I never said that, in the later part of the War and after the War, the KGC "merged" with any other organization. I said they used aliases. Some of these are well-documented in the War of the Rebellion Records, the Holt Report and many other places. These aliases included Sons of Liberty, Order of American Knights, White Camelias, and many others. Instead of snickering, some members of this forum should be reading.
~Texas Jay
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

 

[alec]

Determining where Howk or Schrader elaborated on the actual story of Jesse James and what came from Jesse James himself

Just which Jesse James are you referring to? The real one or one of the many imposters? The real one wasn't around to be interviewed for Howk and Schrader's book and if you have read or seen any of Howks papers you would know that 99.9% of his information is bogus.

It's fairly well known The KGC changed their name a once or twice but which group was actually the KGC after the war? Just what did they do up until the alleged 1916 date? Are you saying that they continued to watch the alleged mega depositories and even continued to add to them? If so then why did they die out? If they had all of those assets I would think the group would continue to exist until all of the funds were exhausted. Does this mean there are no mega-deposits anywhere because they did use up all of the funds trying to continue to exist or did they die out because there were no funds to continue?

Jay, I don't see any large group dying out if they had the billions in the ground that you seem to think is there. The group just dries up and leaves billions all over the world? I thought they were supposed to be the smartest people on earth and that's why nobody can find those mega-depositories. How does a group that is supposedly that smart and organized just die out with billions of dollars just sitting around?

 

[Texas Jay]

Alec, the KGC closed shop in 1916 for two basic reasons: 1) the older Knights were dying off and 2) the country became united to fight in World War I.
Most of the depositories were created many years after the Civil War ended and contained some of the profits from KGC-financed businesses such as banks and other profitable enterprises that were the reason the South once again began to prosper after Reconstruction without slavery. One of the main reasons for these depositories was to store gold and silver that the KGC was removing from circulation in an attempt to weaken the federal economy while strengthening the economies of Southern states. Even before the War ended, you will find that the KGC was actively involved in removing gold from circulation during the Northwest Conspiracy as described by James D. Horan in his book "Confederate Agent".
~Texas Jay

 

[alec]

So they closed up shop with all of the old members dying and just left the money in the ground never to be seen again? None of the old dying KGC tried to give the money to help in the world war effort or took it for themselves or told their families about it so they could get it? They just said Oh well, and let the gold disappear into history? Really

Again, this gets back to what the group was alleged to be. How does a supposed super organization like the KGC just die out with billions of gold and silver in the ground? Doesn't seem logical in my opinion. And now you're saying the KGC was trying to take down the norht by taking gold out of circulation? How does that hurt the north without hurting the south at the same time?

 

[Texas Jay]

Alec, you mean Pastore didn't teach you these basic facts when you were working with him?
~Texas Jay

 

[okietreasurehunter]

Jay, if you mean J. Frank Dalton was Jesse James, then I hate to break it to you, he was one of the fakes. Joe Hunter, Smitty, and Houk were all in on a scam to promote him as Jesse in an attempt to make a little money. Now as far as the southern states go they didn't recover until many decades later. If Booth was a KGC agent,as some claim, then you can blame the Souths slow recovery on the KGC. Lincoln was going to help the southern states to rebuild but that plan died with him.

 

[Texas Jay]

I'll give you a hint as to who I believe was the real Jesse Woodson James. Hint: I believe he was the same man that FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover believed he was.
~Texas Jay

 

[alec]

Alec, you mean Pastore didn't teach you these basic facts when you were working with him?
~Texas Jay

First off, they aren't "facts" and they sure aren't "basic". Pastore didn't know squat when I met him and he still doesn't or else he wouldn't be spouting the "party line" put out by the true believers in the KGC mega bucks and he sure wouldn't be using Howk's maps as real information. He hasn;t done any real research, ever. He just steals what he can and calls it his own.

J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI?

You mean this guy who says the FBI doesn't have any information on the identity of Jesse James?

 

[Texas Jay]

Nice try, Alec, but no that is not the letter I am referring to. The letter you show is probably in regard to an imposter of Jesse James and was dated many years earlier than the solid evidence that has been shared with me by a trusted friend. Now, can we get back to the topic - "KGC Symbols"?
~Texas Jay

 

[alec]

Well I guess, since you seem to be relying on that "secret evidence" that you can't share, just like all of the other true believers. It seems everybody has "secret documents" that apparently imperically proves the myths about the KGC mega-deposits that they just can't share. If there's that many secret documents about the KGC out there I would think they would have shown up somewhere by now. I guess it's easier just to change the subject.

Got any symbols you want to discuss?

 

[Hoss KGC]

Alec,
The KGC operated into the 1900s (approximately 1916), continually putting caches in the ground until that time. They also came back and moved some caches to other spots within the originall areas the cahce was located in, changing the clues/carvings along the way.

I have this information from a very good source.

Good luck in your hunting!

 

[Texas Jay]

Anybody ever seen a three-legged horse like the one represented in this photo I took a couple of years ago?
~Texas Jay

 

[Texas Jay]

I take it from the total silence that has accompanied my posting of this 3-legged horse photo, that no one can confirm that any "outlaws" rode such a horse?
~Texas Jay
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

 

[Texas Jay]

We might all be surprised at what a 3-legged horse can do.
~Texas Jay