Karl von Muller"s, Iron grate found above the Colorado river

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Urb,

The problem in the past has been that I bookmark things that for some reason dissappear ... then I can't (or couldn't) delete them after they were gone. Can't access them and can't delete them either. LOL

Just noticed that they had been cleaned out the other day and now I'm almost afraid to use it.
No time like the present to give it a try.

Happy new year

Thom
 

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Sorry, I am waiting for someone to e mail them to me. I will get them myself when I get back to my camera. mybe two weeks
 

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.....bump....... :icon_scratch:
 

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No need to bump this thread. St. Jerome doesn't have any pictures!
 

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Salvor6 said:
No need to bump this thread. St. Jerome doesn't have any pictures!
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Excuse me.....and you know how? But, the pics is not what I was after anyways.Just the progress of the story, sir.......
 

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My grandma told me stories about the Cave With the Iron Door in Oklahoma when I was 8 years old. I never found it, although I have been all over the Wichitas. I don't think it's around Treasure Lake, but believe it is farther north in the part of the refuge closed off to the public. Then again, it's very easy to find something in that part of the country and not be able to return to it.
 

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Well I see no photos from St Jerome, to bad any would have been better than none. But I can relate 1 story I heard, of a hunter in the Frasier park,Calif. area who slid down a small incline to take cover dureing a rain storm fell into hole that had a iron grate at its back side. Another of 2 guys exploreing in the mountains above Pasadena Calif., they to fell into a hole with a iron grate dureing rain and reported seeing armour and other objects hangeing on hooks throught the grate. Neither party"s could ever find these locations again. I read these storys in older books I no longer have. :coffee2: :laughing9:
 

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Ghost dog,
I believe the story about the Frazier Park shaft was in the Terry book of Treasures in Colorado
and California. I have a copy which is currently lost somewhere at home here.
Your other story was either in the Terry book or the Penfield book, also probably misplaced with
the Terry book. In that version I don't recall a grate and it may have been in Millard Canyon.
When I find the books I can post again.
Rich
 

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Hey Trfinder,I dont recall the book names,as I have lots and they get mixed up.I did look for the Pasadena location, and it was described as being more of a iron bared door. The tr hunter fell thrugh behind the door,dureing a rainstorm. I believe this area is still accesable today.
I heard another story about some Cal.Trans crews findeing a Iron grate or door set back in a man made dugout above Azuza. I suspect there are many more to be found. Another story someone told me is of a resident in the sfvalley,digging up a old Army fort in their back yard.
And supposidly there is a old church on a side st off of Reseda blvd,that used to be a very old Spanish camping ground.
 

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I think the frazier park story is in the Penfield book. I'm not far from there and plan on doing some detecting after ther snow is gone.
 

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Some treasure hunter I am, I still can't find my Penfield book that I left in my house
somewhere. I do believe that is where I saw the story though. And yes that place should be
under 5 or 6 feet of snow. I will be back in the spring too.
Rich
 

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A question was asked about how Gramps died...

It was the night before the Superbowl in '90. He went out to get Grams coal for the stove. He came in through the door of the house and collapsed. Gramps had a heart attack. I miss Gramps... I did not appreciate who he was within the treasure hunting circles until shortly before his death. Gramps was Gramps who was eccentric, smart, insightful, smart,... I loved sitting and listening to his treasure hunting stories. I miss him....
 

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txcricket said:
A question was asked about how Gramps died...

It was the night before the Superbowl in '90. He went out to get Grams coal for the stove. He came in through the door of the house and collapsed. Gramps had a heart attack. I miss Gramps... I did not appreciate who he was within the treasure hunting circles until shortly before his death. Gramps was Gramps who was eccentric, smart, insightful, smart,... I loved sitting and listening to his treasure hunting stories. I miss him....
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When I was a youth my grandpa also filled my head with treasure stories....which at the time I could not know it. But somehow it got in my blood and I have been chasing rainbows ever since! My question to you is Did your Gramps stories have a lasting effect on you? Did you try to persue some of the leads that he was following? Or did you follow a different path all together...Thanks for your time.....Steve
 

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Just a quick note on metal detecting in National Forest. A few years ago I handed this same information to my lawyer and I asked him to clarify these laws for me. A few weeks later this is what he told me;

"apparently, there is no clear definition as to historical as this often can't be decided upon until after a review of the item/items and or location. For instance, "historical" can even be used to define items or locations that are only a few years old."

And in his legal opinion this is how he further explained it to me; "This is why the word "historical" is used because it can be applied broadly and pretty much requires the finder to report most anything he/she finds prior to the removing or disturbing of anything. Failure to do so leaves the legal discretionary door open. They only need to cite you to make your life miserable and they will most often do just that."

And his advice; "If I were to find something, anything, and they were to ask me about it, I would tell them I just found it by accident and that I had no knowledge it even existed until I found it. The reason I would do this is because if you openly admit that you researched anything, such as old documents, old maps, etc., and that research helped you to find the discovery, then you are only helping them to build a historical case against you because you used recorded and/or documented history to help you find it, and you also help them to establish the claim of intent. Thus, the historical door opens much wider. My advice, report anything you plan to remove or disturb before you act, and if you don't, and you get caught, then you'd better play really stupid, but even then, they're probably not going to buy it."

Hey, I'm just telling you what the man told me.
 

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Big ,
You didn't waste your money on that lawyer . He told you just how it is .
 

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So the last weekend in April I went openning day fishing in the Sierras like I have for the past 30 years with 25 friends and family. One of my close friends relayed a story to me that a neighbor of his and a childhood friend told him the location of a cave he found while hiking around the mountains above the Northern San Fernando Valley. He nor the neighbor are treasure hunters. As a matter of fact the neighbor is not all there mentally but my friend decided to check out the cave. He said he walked to the mouth which is very well hidden and you would not see it from 10ft away if you weren;t looking for it. He said he was alone and was not interested in going in by himself. He stated that there was no visible sign of foot traffic no trash and the opening was well hidden. He states the neighbor poked his head in when he found it and said that he saw "stuff" inside but was spooked and left. He (neighbor) said it was a very old cave and that "it gave him a bad feeling".
My friend gave me directions to the cave with the promise that I would split anything of worth with him. I have yet to go for no other reason that I am slightly skeptical (for no real good reason) and also, I have not had the time. I plan on getting up there (its literally only 1 hr from me) in July sometime.
 

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