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[bigscoop]

...and that is the vagueness of the names in the Beale text that leads to all these outside of the Beale story theories.

"Chief Justice Marshall"....and "Thomas J. Beale" or TJB" are not vague references. Not at all.

 

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[bigscoop]

The American Colonization Society was formed in 1813 by Robert Finley, and Marshall became president of the RICHMOND CHAPTER in 1823.

Dude, you really need to notify just about historian and document center in this country and elsewhere about this. The ACS was officially formed in 1817, some will say 1816 but it was actually officially formed in 1817.

1817 - Company formed
1819 -
1821/1822 - Mesurado/Meserada/Meserade....depending on the documents being reviewed.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

"Exactly!" There is reason why the author didn't use first names in "Clays, Coles, Witcher, Jackson" and yet made certain that he did with "Chief Justice Marshall." This is just one huge problem when "assuming" that all of these names represent just the "local fascination."

Another huge hole in ECS's all in the family theory is obvious right from the start.......all of referenced names in the pamphlet were real people, as was Thomas J. Beale and those important business affairs in Richmond. To hear ECS tell it, Thomas J. Beale and Richmond aren't "directly connected" to the Beale Papers simply because he refuses to accept a "A. C. Doyle/Sherlock" obvious that he so often quotes and supports. Truth is, The Thomas J. Beale of Richmond IS the ONLY TJB of record matching the pamphlet description and he IS in Richmond in 1884, just one year prior to the publication. You see, ECS and his theory develops a HUGE issue if he accepts that TJB was real so he actively and aggressively continues to ignore what is so very-very clear/obvious. I figured you guys would have been onto all of this by now.

"A.C. Doyle"... a BRIT...? From ANOTHER country/time...? Hmmm...

 

[ECS]

American Colonization Society

Bigscoop, we are both wrong, Finley formed the ACS in 1816, and the big meeting held at the Davis Hotel in Washington, DC, and presided over by Henry Clay, was December 21, 1816.

 

[ECS]

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Another huge hole in ECS's all in the family theory is obvious right from the start.......all of referenced names in the pamphlet were real people, as was Thomas J. Beale and those important business affairs in Richmond. To hear ECS tell it, Thomas J. Beale and Richmond aren't "directly connected" to the Beale Papers simply because he refuses to accept a "A. C. Doyle/Sherlock" obvious that he so often quotes and supports. Truth is, The Thomas J. Beale of Richmond IS the ONLY TJB of record matching the pamphlet description and he IS in Richmond in 1884, just one year prior to the publication. You see, ECS and his theory develops a HUGE issue if he accepts that TJB was real so he actively and aggressively continues to ignore what is so very-very clear/obvious...

The premise of this current theory, as with all your previous theories on the Beale Papers, is that story text was written to conceal a "secret" history, thereby making the events in the Beale narrative, FICTION.
With that said, would not the names mentioned in the Beale narrative text, while names of actual people, used as FICTIONAL characters in this FICTIONAL narrative.
...and, Bigscoop, this is the HUGE issue with this and your other theories.
Either the Beale story is fiction, or it is not. It can't be both.

 

[bigscoop]

Bigscoop, we are both wrong, Finley formed the ACS in 1816, and the big meeting held at the Davis Hotel in Washington, DC, and presided over by Henry Clay, was December 21, 1816.

Keep digging....you're getting closer.

 

[bigscoop]

The premise of this current theory, as with all your previous theories on the Beale Papers, is that story text was written to conceal a "secret" history, thereby making the events in the Beale narrative, FICTION.
With that said, would not the names mentioned in the Beale narrative text, while names of actual people, used as FICTIONAL characters in this FICTIONAL narrative.
...and, Bigscoop, this is the HUGE issue with this and your other theories.
Either the Beale story is fiction, or it is not. It can't be both.

Wrong, again. Nearly everything in the BP is accurate other then what had to be narrated around. So I'll ask you again, if I wrote your biography who is the author.....you, or me? Are you getting it yet?

 

[bigscoop]

The ACS was officially formed in 1817, some will say 1816 but it was actually officially formed in 1817.

So tell me again, how did I get this statement wrong? But you know, it's not really all that important in the big scheme of things, this just being the national portion of the story.

 

[ECS]

... The Thomas J. Beale of Richmond IS the ONLY TJB of record matching the pamphlet description and he IS in Richmond in 1884, just one year prior to the publication...

Charles W Button stated that his sub editor, John William Sherman, wrote the Beale Papers, Adeline Ward McVeigh, said her father, J B Ward wrote it.
It has been established that both Ward and Sherman had access to a variety of books, J B Risque's library , Ward's father's WARD & DIGGES bookstore, and Sherman, a member of Giles Ward Lynchburg thespian group, for which he wrote plays, so both men were literate and had the means and opportunity for research to create an adventure/ treasure dime novel, like Poe's GOLD BUG.
Combining Lewis & Clark with E F Beale's 1850 "BEALE PAPERS, and mixing in extended family events, including the name Beale from Ward's grandfathers duel, they consulted Dr William Blair's "Writing in Cipher" from a book that was sold at W&D's bookstore. Trying not to confuse future pamphlet buyers with E F Beale, they borrowed the name of a Richmond Jackson Ward Alderman for their Beale, adding the "J" to the Thomas Beale of the Risqué duel, and based their Beale description on the residents of that section of Richmond.
No secret hidden story behind the Beale Papers, just a 50 cent dime novel with ciphers added as a parlor entertainment that sold ONLY in the Lynchburg area.
PS: Ward's wife was born and raised "four miles from Bufords", a statement that appears in the Beale Papers.

 

[bigscoop]

What was taking place in Jackson Ward, Richmond, was the very thing Jefferson had suggested was required before African colonization could be considered in the state. Still a hot issue even after emancipation, in the early 1900's a statistical summary of Jackson Ward, Richmond, is even offered in regards to Black/African colonization and the progress of Jackson Ward, this can be found at the following link as well as some other fascinating information.

https://archive.org/stream/industrialhistor00jack#page/106/mode/2up

 

[ECS]

...and still, Bigscoop, has no direct relation to the 1885 Beale Papers, just a bit more smoke and mirrors to bolster a theory illusion.

 

[bigscoop]

Charles W Button stated that his sub editor, John William Sherman, wrote the Beale Papers, Adeline Ward McVeigh, said her father, J B Ward wrote it.
It has been established that both Ward and Sherman had access to a variety of books, J B Risque's library , Ward's father's WARD & DIGGES bookstore, and Sherman, a member of Giles Ward Lynchburg thespian group, for which he wrote plays, so both men were literate and had the means and opportunity for research to create an adventure/ treasure dime novel, like Poe's GOLD BUG.
Combining Lewis & Clark with E F Beale's 1850 "BEALE PAPERS, and mixing in extended family events, including the name Beale from Ward's grandfathers duel, they consulted Dr William Blair's "Writing in Cipher" from a book that was sold at W&D's bookstore. Trying not to confuse future pamphlet buyers with E F Beale, they borrowed the name of a Richmond Jackson Ward Alderman for their Beale, adding the "J" to the Thomas Beale of the Risqué duel, and based their Beale description on the residents of that section of Richmond.
No secret hidden story behind the Beale Papers, just a 50 cent dime novel with ciphers added as a parlor entertainment that sold NLY in the Lynchburg area.

Well that's quite the desperate explanation, however, perhaps you just got it all wrong and maybe you should probably except that now, or at least the possibility that you have it all wrong. Truth is, a Thomas J. Beale of the exact description did exist in the very city where important business affairs were taking place, and just like all the other characters in the pamphlet he was real, even if it doesn't fit into your flailing pet theory. Why MUST it be that Thomas J. Beale MUST still remain a fictional character in a fictional tale even after you have possibly found him? And this in a publication where not another fictional character exist among many? A "Thomas J. Beale" with a distinguishing dark and swarthy complexion IS directly connected to the story as IS Richmond, so if not solely for in defense of your own pet theory then why the feverish aggressiveness to discount him when you have no real reason to? Doesn't sound like someone who's only interested in discovering that possible alternate truth to me.

 

[bigscoop]

...and still, Bigscoop, has no direct relation to the 1885 Beale Papers, just a bit more smoke and mirrors to bolster a theory illusion.

I don't know how to tell you this, something so obvious, but I'll try. A dark and swarthy Thomas J. Beale and the city of Richmond are directly connected to the tale.

But then again maybe you have information about a white Thomas J. Beale, or any white man for that matter, who's most distinguishing feature was his dark and swarthy complexion.

 

[bigscoop]

Thomas Jefferson was the author of the DOI which was told to be the "KEY" to the ciphers!!!!!!!!!!!
Hence, the Harts probably had good reason to conclude, Thomas Jefferson Beale!!!!!!!!
Where in C1 do you find the code, 1817!!!!!

 

[ECS]

I don't know how to tell you this, something so obvious, but I'll try. A dark and swarthy Thomas J. Beale and the city of Richmond are directly connected to the tale...

Maybe it is time, Bigscoop, To ask your "anonymous" theory author consultant to give you free reign to present this theory in its full glory. So far all that has been presented is the typical evasive smugness exhibited on all your other theories concerning the "real" hidden story behind the Beale Papers.
All that I have related in the previous post that you quoted and other posts concerning the family connection, ARE directly connected to creating the Beale story.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Maybe it is time, Bigscoop, To ask your "anonymous" theory author consultant to give you free reign to present this theory in its full glory. So far all that has been presented is the typical evasive smugness exhibited on all your other theories concerning the "real" hidden story behind the Beale Papers.
All that I have related in the previous post that you quoted and other posts concerning the family connection, ARE directly connected to creating the Beale story.

Is it just me, or the things these people say we are doing is exactly what they are doing all the time .

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The premise of this current theory, as with all your previous theories on the Beale Papers, is that story text was written to conceal a "secret" history, thereby making the events in the Beale narrative, FICTION.
With that said, would not the names mentioned in the Beale narrative text, while names of actual people, used as FICTIONAL characters in this FICTIONAL narrative.
...and, Bigscoop, this is the HUGE issue with this and your other theories.
Either the Beale story is fiction, or it is not. It can't be both.

Well... it COULD be FACTION!

 

[franklin]

Maybe it is time, Bigscoop, To ask your "anonymous" theory author consultant to give you free reign to present this theory in its full glory. So far all that has been presented is the typical evasive smugness exhibited on all your other theories concerning the "real" hidden story behind the Beale Papers.
All that I have related in the previous post that you quoted and other posts concerning the family connection, ARE directly connected to creating the Beale story.

I am in agreement with ECS, if you have a document that links these two tales together as one, why not reveal it? You yourself said no treasure was involved what was the purpose of the ACS to do a Job Print Pamphlet with a parallel treasure story. If you could answer that question then there may be something to your project this time?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I don't know how to tell you this, something so obvious, but I'll try. A dark and swarthy Thomas J. Beale and the city of Richmond are directly connected to the tale.

But then again maybe you have information about a white Thomas J. Beale, or any white man for that matter, who's most distinguishing feature was his dark and swarthy complexion.

HA! That's ALL ya got...? "A dark and swarthy Thomas J. Beale and the city of Richmond"...? ROFL... SPECULATION; NO proof...?

 

[bigscoop]

Somehow your author had reason to seek out Morriss so that those conditions and interviews on the matter could be arranged. So very clearly your unknown author knew something of the matter prior to those interviews. But what, and just how much did he already know? And how did he know?

In 1863 these most revealing interviews are interrupted due to important business affairs in Richmond. By this time Jackson Ward has become a thriving black community. What, dare I ask, could be so important that it would draw unknown author away from such revealing interview? Hmmmmm......