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[bigscoop]

Does this have anything to do with Thomas Jefferson's administration dealing with the politics of the slave revolt in Haiti?

No.

 

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[ECS]

... The truth is simply that the Beale Papers present both a local and a historical account of actual events that took place within American history, this history spanning from roughly from 1808 to after the Civil War...

In fact, just about every detail offered in the narration was offered with a decided significance, this even including all of the referenced dates...

The truth behind the Beale Papers is both explosive and extremely accurate which is why the author removed himself from the publication, this author residing in Richmond and having first hand knowledge and undeniable evidence of all that he narrated in the required illusive manner...

Nearly every detail in the presented summation is backed by documents and letters that were found in the Library of Congress once the researcher knew exactly what he was looking for. C1 & C3 contain the most intimate details regarding these events and the people who made it all possible...

Its time to present REAL facts and "intimate details" that back up your post #1 summation.

 

[bigscoop]

ECS, I think you should continue to cuddle the grandpa Risque and the all In The Family fictional notion. But I would certainly research it further before I etched it into stone. By the way, what did you find out about 1845 and those who keep secrets? Anything of interest?

 

[bigscoop]

Its time to present REAL facts and "intimate details" that back up your post #1 summation.

I'm already extending my limitations and if you'll just look in the right places, well, maybe you might find some enlightenment.

Not that this has anything at all to do with this thread, but how do you suppose the Harts concluded Thomas Jefferson Beale?

 

[ECS]

You keep playing the conundrum game of secrets that lacks both candle and flame.

 

[ECS]

I'm already extending my limitations...

"Well a man's gotta know his limitations"!

 

[franklin]

I'm already extending my limitations and if you'll just look in the right places, well, maybe you might find some enlightenment.

Not that this has anything at all to do with this thread, but how do you suppose the Harts concluded Thomas Jefferson Beale?

They got Thomas Jefferson Beale from the man that gave them a copy of the codes on eight sheets of paper. The man that wrote the Job Print Pamphlet.

 

[bigscoop]

You keep playing the conundrum game of secrets that lacks both candle and flame.

And you keep posting good links and information while never fully realizing just exactly what it is that you're posting. It's all right there in front of you if only you allow yourself enough open mind and curiosity to look.

 

[ECS]

ECS, I think you should continue to cuddle the grandpa Risque and the all In The Family fictional notion...

Well it has held up well against your previous theories (are we up to #5?) that reached a dead end, and so far is holding its own against this current one.
You can't disprove that many of the events and locations in the Beale tale can be traced to events and locations experienced by various family members of that extended Risqué bloodline.

 

[ECS]

And you keep posting good links and information ...

I know, but thank you.

 

[releventchair]

ECS, I think you should continue to cuddle the grandpa Risque and the all In The Family fictional notion. But I would certainly research it further before I etched it into stone. By the way, what did you find out about 1845 and those who keep secrets? Anything of interest?

HMS Erebus and the HMS Terror?

 

[ECS]

ECS,.. By the way, what did you find out about 1845 and those who keep secrets? Anything of interest?

Texas and Florida becoming states?
The Great Awakening movement?
The Irish Potato Famine?
Polk elected as US President?

 

[releventchair]

Santa Anna and Sam Houston we have a problem?

 

[bigscoop]

"Clay, Coles, Witcher, Jackson, Chief Justice Marshall"......still haven't figured that one out yet, have you? Four names, only one -"Chief Justice"- with distinguishing title. Why not just John Marshall, or just Marshall, like the other four? I'm stunned you great researchers of local lore failed to make the connections, (actually I'm not) so let me help you out.

As curious as it might seem for a supreme court justice, at one time Marshall was also the president of the ACS, the same organization that these other men belonged to.

The "Jacksons" are even referenced in regards to some of those people who made the land available for Jackson Ward.

In his notes regarding the colonization of Africans Jefferson is very specific as to the concerns of any attempt to colonize those Africans within the state without first conducting scientific investigation.

And then, in yet another “completely blind” attempt to derail the direction of this most accurate thread, ECS post a link to the following information:

“In 1769 William Byrd III, owner of much of what is now Richmond, subdivided the area encompassing present-day Jackson Ward into 100-acre “out lots” to award as prizes in a lottery of his real estate holdings. The property that sold at lottery stood outside of the corporate and developed areas of Richmond proper. Richmond grew toward this area in the early 19th century, and this growth encouraged the families who owned much of the property (the Jacksons, Foushees, Duvals, and Coutts) to subdivide and sell their land. A diverse group of “Free Persons of Color,” European immigrants, American-born white artisans, and Richmond businessmen bought lots and built homes in these outlying subdivisions.”

Anyone feeling like Homer Simpson, “Dhu!”

Thomas J. Beale, the only TJB of record during the period, residing in Jackson Ward, Richmond, where our author had "important business affairs". And Homer goes "Dhu!" yet again.

And there is much more, most of those leads already having been posted in this thread......some even unknowingly supported by ECS himself!

 

[bigscoop]

ECS, now before you rebut consider this.......you have always maintained that Ward authored the pamphlet, but let me ask you......if I sat down with you and wrote your biography, who then, is the author? You or me?

 

[ECS]

"Clay, Coles, Witcher, Jackson, Chief Justice Marshall"... I'm stunned you great researchers of local lore failed to make the connections, (actually I'm not) so let me help you out.

As curious as it might seem for a supreme court justice, at one time Marshall was also the president of the ACS, the same organization that these other men belonged to...

Thomas J. Beale, the only TJB of record during the period, residing in Jackson Ward, Richmond, where our author had "important business affairs"...

Well . I'm stunned at the connections that you are making.
The American Colonization Society was formed in 1813 by Robert Finley, and Marshall became president of the RICHMOND CHAPTER in 1823.
Major William Witcher died in 1803, Col Issac Coles in 1813, and there is No mention of either belonging to the ACS.
Rev Charles Green Clay died in 1820, and again, NO mention of belonging to ACS.
Thomas J Beale, of Jackson Ward, Richmond, was born in 1827.
As with your previous theory based on the names Ward and Sherman that appeared in Laflin's forged Lafitte Memoirs, you are picking out names from the Beale text, scrambling them with events that are mention in the Beale story text, therefore creating an entirely different story.
This new theory riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside of an enigma, lacks the candle or its flame, and is not worth the game.

 

[franklin]

Well . I'm stunned at the connections that you are making.
The American Colonization Society was formed in 1813 by Robert Finley, and Marshall became president of the RICHMOND CHAPTER in 1823.
Major William Witcher died in 1803, Col Issac Coles in 1813, and there is No mention of either belonging to the ACS.
Rev Charles Green Clay died in 1820, and again, NO mention of belonging to ACS.
Thomas J Beale, of Jackson Ward, Richmond, was born in 1827.
As with your previous theory based on the names Ward and Sherman that appeared in Laflin's forged Lafitte Memoirs, you are picking out names from the Beale text, scrambling them with events that are mention in the Beale story text, therefore creating an entirely different story.
This new theory riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside of an enigma, lacks the candle or its flame, and is not worth the game.

ECS, You have to be careful with last names they can represent a lot of people. Like Rev. Charles Green Clay---------it could have actually been Henry Clay that was president of the ACS. That one I know the others could represent other names without getting into the LOC I can not say for sure? bigscoop may be on to something I do remember that Robert Morris was a member of a society but I thought it was the Southern Heritage Society. I do remember that George Washington was a member or President as well as others. Memory failing me.

 

[ECS]

...and that is the vagueness of the names in the Beale text that leads to all these outside of the Beale story theories.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

"Clay, Coles, Witcher, Jackson, Chief Justice Marshall"......still haven't figured that one out yet, have you? Four names, only one -"Chief Justice"- with distinguishing title. Why not just John Marshall, or just Marshall, like the other four? I'm stunned you great researchers of local lore failed to make the connections, (actually I'm not) so let me help you out.

As curious as it might seem for a supreme court justice, at one time Marshall was also the president of the ACS, the same organization that these other men belonged to.

The "Jacksons" are even referenced in regards to some of those people who made the land available for Jackson Ward.

In his notes regarding the colonization of Africans Jefferson is very specific as to the concerns of any attempt to colonize those Africans within the state without first conducting scientific investigation.

And then, in yet another “completely blind” attempt to derail the direction of this most accurate thread, ECS post a link to the following information:

“In 1769 William Byrd III, owner of much of what is now Richmond, subdivided the area encompassing present-day Jackson Ward into 100-acre “out lots” to award as prizes in a lottery of his real estate holdings. The property that sold at lottery stood outside of the corporate and developed areas of Richmond proper. Richmond grew toward this area in the early 19th century, and this growth encouraged the families who owned much of the property (the Jacksons, Foushees, Duvals, and Coutts) to subdivide and sell their land. A diverse group of “Free Persons of Color,” European immigrants, American-born white artisans, and Richmond businessmen bought lots and built homes in these outlying subdivisions.”

Anyone feeling like Homer Simpson, “Dhu!”

Thomas J. Beale, the only TJB of record during the period, residing in Jackson Ward, Richmond, where our author had "important business affairs". And Homer goes "Dhu!" yet again.

And there is much more, most of those leads already having been posted in this thread......some even unknowingly supported by ECS himself!

Thinking Thomas Jefferson Beale of Jackson Ward in Richmond, Va. is the AUTHOR of the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet, eh...? Because "he had business in Richmond"; hmmm...

 

[bigscoop]

ECS, You have to be careful with last names they can represent a lot of people. Like Rev. Charles Green Clay---------it could have actually been Henry Clay that was president of the ACS. That one I know the others could represent other names without getting into the LOC I can not say for sure? bigscoop may be on to something I do remember that Robert Morris was a member of a society but I thought it was the Southern Heritage Society. I do remember that George Washington was a member or President as well as others. Memory failing me.

"Exactly!" There is reason why the author didn't use first names in "Clays, Coles, Witcher, Jackson" and yet made certain that he did with "Chief Justice Marshall." This is just one huge problem when "assuming" that all of these names represent just the "local fascination."

Another huge hole in ECS's all in the family theory is obvious right from the start.......all of referenced names in the pamphlet were real people, as was Thomas J. Beale and those important business affairs in Richmond. To hear ECS tell it, Thomas J. Beale and Richmond aren't "directly connected" to the Beale Papers simply because he refuses to accept a "A. C. Doyle/Sherlock" obvious that he so often quotes and supports. Truth is, The Thomas J. Beale of Richmond IS the ONLY TJB of record matching the pamphlet description and he IS in Richmond in 1884, just one year prior to the publication. You see, ECS and his theory develops a HUGE issue if he accepts that TJB was real so he actively and aggressively continues to ignore what is so very-very clear/obvious. I figured you guys would have been onto all of this by now.