Its End Game

[TN_Guest1523]

NOPE! Mrs. Cabel was mentioned as a writer, whose story on Robert & Sarah MORRISS, was utilized for the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet; Many PAPERS were utilized... of ppl, REAL events, TRUE adventures, CONFEDERATE WAR history, 1880's Lynchburg, Va. HISTORY... ya just gotta look at it ALL!

I'm looking at one of Wards Daughters at this point . Possibly the same one's that did the interview for the newspaper in 1934 .

 

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[bigscoop]

Dunno, IF... TJB was 1/2 "Black", doubt if he could stay in a "White" Establishment; Lynchburg, Va. was VERY "Racist" in both 1817-1822 & the CONFEDERATE WAR. Even, 1885 "period" is "questionable"...

So-so glad you considered this. Now consider the following two points of interest.
A) How did Morriss, a man who had fallen in serious reversals, afford to open and operate his plush establishment?
B) What, exactly, was the attraction that drew so many influential slave owners to the Lynchburg region, and in particular, his establishment?

We have all types of histories/history written by people of color but in many cases the only way we know this is because the authors are clearly identified, otherwise we might have just as easily assumed them to have been white.

 

[Cryptography]

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I'v seen this one. He blows up like a nuke.

 

[ECS]

Dunno, IF... TJB was 1/2 "Black", doubt if he could stay in a "White" Establishment; Lynchburg, Va. was VERY "Racist" in both 1817-1822 & the CONFEDERATE WAR. Even, 1885 "period" is "questionable"...

That was the point being made, without bias.

 

[bigscoop]

That was the point being made, without bias.

Point IS, what do you really know about the Morriss establishment? For instance, did the establishment utilize slaves? Or, maybe, was Morriss a slave owner himself? Did Morriss rent servants, possibly from Buford who is documented as having rented slaves during the period? Did Morriss and the city/region of Lynchburg ever host slave actions? Were free men of color ever slave traders/owners themselves, and so on and so on. So many questions one has to answer first before they can JUMP to such certain conclusions. When we keep reading and researching we quickly discover that the issues surrounding slavery/emancipation weren't quite the simple a black and white issue as is so generally perceived. Many slave owners educated their slaves to a high degree and even took select servants with them wherever they went. In many cases free men of color moved about more freely then we might first think.

 

[ECS]

Bigscoop, are You aware that in 1806, the State of Virginia passed a law the required a manumission freed man to leave Virginia within one year of his manumission?
Or in 1819, the State of Virginia passed a law outlawing the teaching of reading and writing to anyone of color.?
Much of your speculation in this theory du jour does not stand up against the laws, morals, and customs of that time period.
There seems to be an agenda behind this "theory".

 

[franklin]

Point IS, what do you really know about the Morriss establishment? For instance, did the establishment utilize slaves? Or, maybe, was Morriss a slave owner himself? Did Morriss rent servants, possibly from Buford who is documented as having rented slaves during the period? Did Morriss and the city/region of Lynchburg ever host slave actions? Were free men of color ever slave traders/owners themselves, and so on and so on. So many questions one has to answer first before they can JUMP to such certain conclusions. When we keep reading and researching we quickly discover that the issues surrounding slavery/emancipation weren't quite the simple a black and white issue as is so generally perceived. Many slave owners educated their slaves to a high degree and even took select servants with them wherever they went. In many cases free men of color moved about more freely then we might first think.

All of that proves nothing. Slaves in the county I live in were taken by the CSA to repair and work on railroads, highways or anything else they needed them for. I thought you were on the right track but since all of this is just another theory without proof we have to dismiss it all together. Just like Jean Laf decipherment without someone or some institution approving it then it is worth nothing to him or anyone else.

 

[bigscoop]

Bigscoop, are You aware that in 1806, the State of Virginia passed a law the required a manumission freed man to leave Virginia within one year of his manumission?
Or in 1819, the State of Virginia passed a law outlawing the teaching of reading and writing to anyone of color.?
Much of your speculation in this theory du jour does not stand up against the laws, morals, and customs of that time period.
There seems to be an agenda behind this "theory".

I am 100% fully aware of all of this, and more. The problem is that many of you are approaching your conclusions as if you knew each of these people personally, which you clearly did/do not. You draw upon conclusions without ever even thinking about or entertaining many of the questions that have to be explored before such conclusions can even begin to be drawn. All you have derived from the very beginning is that Thomas J. Beale had to absolutely be white when quite clearly there exist "extremely strong" fact and evidence to the contrary. Now if you want to continue dreaming up what all of these people were really like then that is your right to do so but recorded history and historical fact speaks much differently, just as it does in regards to the mining of silver from the described region in Colorado. So by all means, continue the romance but I promise you that it will never gain you anything knew or get you anywhere beyond all of the usual rhetoric that to this very day still continues to go nowhere.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I am 100% fully aware of all of this, and more. The problem is that many of you are approaching your conclusions as if you knew each of these people personally, which you clearly did/do not. You draw upon conclusions without ever even thinking about or entertaining many of the questions that have to be explored before such conclusions can even begin to be drawn. All you have derived from the very beginning is that Thomas J. Beale had to absolutely be white when quite clearly there exist "extremely strong" fact and evidence to the contrary. Now if you want to continue dreaming up what all of these people were really like then that is your right to do so but recorded history and historical fact speaks much differently, just as it does in regards to the mining of silver from the described region in Colorado. So by all means, continue the romance but I promise you that it will never gain you anything knew or get you anywhere beyond all of the usual rhetoric that to this very day still continues to go nowhere.

Well, we DO have WRITTEN HISTORY on our "side"...

 

[bigscoop]

Well, we DO have WRITTEN HISTORY on our "side"...

Exactly, yes we all do. But the only written histories most of us are allowing ourselves to be exposed to are those written histories that personally interest us or those written histories that are a result of the questions and curiosities we might have, otherwise many of these histories escape us completely. So when we restrict our questions and curiosities what is the only possible result?

 

[ECS]

... Now if you want to continue dreaming up what all of these people were really like then that is your right to do so but recorded history and historical fact speaks much differently...

...and much differently that this version of Beale that you are proclaiming.

 

[bigscoop]

...and much differently that this version of Beale that you are proclaiming.

Believe whatever you wish and continue to limit your perspective however you wish. I've put out here just about all I've been allowed at present so you can either dig in or not. I'm sure in time the author of this theory will reveal the entire scope of things at some point in the near future. Until then....entertain whatever you will.

 

[ECS]

Point IS, what do you really know about the Morriss establishment?...

It was a place where Jackson, Clay, Coles, Witcher, and Marshall wanted to go,
Where everybody knows your name,
And their always glad you came

 

[ECS]

... I've put out here just about all I've been allowed at present...

If you are not at liberty to present this "theory" in full, why did you present it in the first place, as, "It's End Game".

 

[bigscoop]

Do you really think that the only Thomas J. Beale "of Richmond" who matched the exact name and physical description offered in the pamphlet remained ignorant of that fact when that publication was advertised so heavily to so many Lynchburg people who conducted business in Richmond?

Do you really think it is by simple coincidence that the only Thomas J. Beale matching that exact name and description also resided "in Richmond" and was still there just one prior to the publication?

Do you really think that the unknown author referenced his important business affairs in Richmond without reason?

I'm sure Sir Aurthur would be highly disappointed in you.

 

[franklin]

The other two men that were with Thomas J. Beale were from near Richmond, Va but not Thomas J. Beale himself.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Exactly, yes we all do. But the only written histories most of us are allowing ourselves to be exposed to are those written histories that personally interest us or those written histories that are a result of the questions and curiosities we might have, otherwise many of these histories escape us completely. So when we restrict our questions and curiosities what is the only possible result?

"Pre-selected" stuff, eh...? NOTHING wrong with THAT! NARROW the "FOCUS"! "Zero in"!

 

[bigscoop]

The other two men that were with Thomas J. Beale were from near Richmond, Va but not Thomas J. Beale himself.

Do you really think it was by pure coincidence that your author references that he "had to go to Richmond at the very moment he is learning about Thomas J. Beale?" What would be the significance of telling your readers that your all-important interviews with Morriss were interrupted because you had to go to Richmond on important business affairs if those important business affairs weren't even important/significant enough to elaborate on? Why bother to even reference this information if that information itself wasn't significant to the story?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Exactly, yes we all do. But the only written histories most of us are allowing ourselves to be exposed to are those written histories that personally interest us or those written histories that are a result of the questions and curiosities we might have, otherwise many of these histories escape us completely. So when we restrict our questions and curiosities what is the only possible result?

NOTHING wrong with that... I LOVE "pin-pointed" R & I.

 

[bigscoop]

NOTHING wrong with that... I LOVE "pin-pointed" R & I.

Then be curious, ask different questions. For instance, research these three words - dark, swarthy, complexion. These three words are used to describe the most distinguishing feature of Thomas J. Beale. "Jet black eyes and hair." If, after researching all of this, you still feel TJB was white then so be it. But honestly, pretty unlikely that anyone other then a pure hard-head would still believe that he was white after investigating the very description offered of the man.

PS: All white men are well aware that the same sun and weather that can cause a man's skin to tan and burn will also cause the hair and eyes to become somewhat bleached. "Jet black eyes and hair." Your author has VERY CLEARLY described a man of color.