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[bigscoop]

You know who John Brown was, right?

 

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[ECS]

You know who John Brown was, right?

He's still mouldern' in the grave

 

[ECS]

... Morriss and Ward obviously had a friendship/relationship beyond what is revealed in the Beale papers. Have you ever been curious if maybe there hadn't been something more?...

Ward is mentioned in the Beale Papers? Where?
Are you now stating that Ward is the author of the Beale Papers because Morriss was his uncle through marriage?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

He's still mouldern' in the grave

Heh...

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Ward is mentioned in the Beale Papers? Where?
Are you now stating that Ward is the author of the Beale Papers because Morriss was his uncle through marriage?

The gentleman whom I have selected as my agent, to publish and circulate these papers, was well-known to Mr. Morriss; it was at his house that Mrs. Morriss died, and he would have been one of the beneficiaries in the event of my success.

 

[franklin]

SameO SameO SameO

 

[releventchair]

In 1863 Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation which sent shock waves throughout the south.

Jackson Ward was established many years prior to 1863 and in its infancy it was not a part of Richmond proper. This is well documented through many sources. ECS, once again you are posting very desperate and very misleading information in defense of your personal pet agenda. All one has to do is to jump online and they'll quickly discover that Jackson Ward was established many years prior as part of an outlaying development, outside of Richmond proper.

Alexandria and Richmond both had waterways.
Both seemed covered by the executive action of the Proclamation in a state that was not completely covered by it.

Those 20,000 slaves were freed immediately by the Emancipation Proclamation."[24] This Union-occupied zone where freedom began at once included parts of eastern North Carolina, the Mississippi Valley, northern Alabama, the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, a large part of Arkansas, and the Sea Islands of Georgia and South Carolina.[77] Although some counties of Union-occupied Virginia were exempted from the Proclamation, the lower Shenandoah Valley, and the area around Alexandria were covered.[24] Emancipation was immediately enforced as Union soldiers advanced into the Confederacy. Slaves fled their masters and were often assisted by Union soldiers

 

[TN_Guest1523]

SameO SameO SameO

It's what is there, and the other from the LOC with Wards name on it as the Agent. Done Deal Bro !

 

[bigscoop]

Alexandria and Richmond both had waterways.
Both seemed covered by the executive action of the Proclamation in a state that was not completely covered by it.

Those 20,000 slaves were freed immediately by the Emancipation Proclamation."[24] This Union-occupied zone where freedom began at once included parts of eastern North Carolina, the Mississippi Valley, northern Alabama, the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, a large part of Arkansas, and the Sea Islands of Georgia and South Carolina.[77] Although some counties of Union-occupied Virginia were exempted from the Proclamation, the lower Shenandoah Valley, and the area around Alexandria were covered.[24] Emancipation was immediately enforced as Union soldiers advanced into the Confederacy. Slaves fled their masters and were often assisted by Union soldiers

All good info. Another interesting fact here is that in 1863 West Virginia was granted its statehood and departure from Virginia, part of this agreement requiring all emancipated slaves of the effected age to depart the state within one year. I believe our author states that he felt Thomas J. Beale was from some western portion of the state. Now this suddenly becomes interesting in two aspects, the obvious being that "the western portion of the state" has changed dramatically regardless if you are considering the new West Virginia or the new Virginia.

 

[releventchair]

With browns $ix major supporters threatened with being outed by the man who Brown did not pay who was solicited for "troop" training ..what became of their support when Douglas picked up the torch?
Copperheads incited by the goings on had to throw funds at the future as well so multiple parties and funds were in motion.
Depending on ever changing characters , more than one seemed capable of being termed "swarthy".

 

[releventchair]

All good info. Another interesting fact here is that in 1863 West Virginia was granted its statehood and departure from Virginia, part of this agreement requiring all emancipated slaves of the effected age to depart the state within one year. I believe our author states that he felt Thomas J. Beale was from some western portion of the state. Now this suddenly becomes interesting in two aspects, the obvious being that "the western portion of the state" has changed dramatically regardless if you are considering the new West Virginia or the new Virginia.

From same Wiki source..(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation)


specifically excluded those counties of Virginia soon to form the state of West Virginia. Also specifically excluded (by name) were some regions already controlled by the Union army. Emancipation in those places would come after separate state actions and/or the December 1865 ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment, which made slavery and indentured servitude, except for those duly convicted of a crime, illegal everywhere subject to United States jurisdiction.

 

[bigscoop]

Risque was known to have freed slaves and during his involvement with his father's estate J.B Ward and his mother sold at least one slave his freedom for $900. This is telling us that both Risque and G. Ward were slave owners. But what about Thomas Beale of duel fame....was he also a slave owner? What about Morriss?

 

[franklin]

All of that about West Virginia going in as a slave state is ridiculous. West Virginia went in as a Free State of the Union. Anything in the Union was exempt from the Emancipation Proclamation Act.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Risque was known to have freed slaves and during his involvement with his father's estate J.B Ward and his mother sold at least one slave his freedom for $900. This is telling us that both Risque and G. Ward were slave owners. But what about Thomas Beale of duel fame....was he also a slave owner? What about Morriss?

There is documentation of the Captain Thomas Beale having slaves in New Orleans the same from dual fame .

 

[releventchair]

Risque was known to have freed slaves and during his involvement with his father's estate J.B Ward and his mother sold at least one slave his freedom for $900. This is telling us that both Risque and G. Ward were slave owners. But what about Thomas Beale of duel fame....was he also a slave owner? What about Morriss?

Depending on his race he may not have been.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Are we on this thread looking at the fact that because of Thomas Beales tan is the possibility of some mixed race ?

 

[bigscoop]

All of that about West Virginia going in as a slave state is ridiculous. West Virginia went in as a Free State of the Union. Anything in the Union was exempt from the Emancipation Proclamation Act.

You need to research all of the attached agreements that West Virginia had to agree to before it was granted statehood. West Virginia was entered as a slave holding state but with conditions. Those conditions revolved around the issue of slavery and a plan/agreement to basically abolish slavery over an unspecified period of time.

 

[bigscoop]

Are we on this thread looking at the fact that because of Thomas Beales tan is the possibility of some mixed race ?

Tan? I lived on the beach in Florida for five years, was blacker then Toby's nail. But when I came to Indiana last winter I had completely lost that "tan" in just a couple of months. Thomas J. Beale's most distinguishing feature was his "dark and swarthy complexion".....something he would not have maintained through a few months of Virginia winter without aid of a tanning salon. This is why none of the usual white suspects have a "J" in their name, because they are not Thomas J. Beale.

PS: This isn't to say, however, that one or more of your Thomas Beale's isn't connected. Are you sensing where this is all possibly going now?

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Tan? I lived on the beach in Florida for five years, was blacker then Toby's nail. But when I came to Indiana last winter I had completely lost that "tan" in just a couple of months. Thomas J. Beale's most distinguishing feature was his "dark and swarthy complexion".....something he would not have maintained through a few months of Virginia winter without aid of a tanning salon. This is why none of the usual white suspects have a "J" in their name, because they are not Thomas J. Beale.

PS: This isn't to say, however, that one or more of your Thomas Beale's isn't connected. Are you seeing where this is all possibly going now?

Morriss saw him for the first time in Jan of 1820 after 3 years on the trail and collecting gold and silver in the outback. I would say he was a Tan Man at that time. But if some person of some race could get 30 people to call him captain and have slaves as servants from St Louis and shoot like Captain Beale of New Orleans, Could Be !

 

[ECS]

You know who John Brown was, right?

US Col Robert E Lee and US Lt Jeb Stuart were involved with his capture at Harpers Ferry. Among those who witnessed Brown's hanging, was a Virginia Militia member, John Wilkes Booth, who se friend, John Yeats Beale, was condemned to hang by US President Abraham Lincoln.
Another Beale for another theory.