Is your AT Pro doing this ?

[synthnut]

You seem to be a self proclaimed authority on metal detecting ...First of all , I have spent plenty of time with machines and still own machines with NO screen at all ......If you would like to get technical , the Sovereign's , and the Excals , that I have been running for years , are FAR MORE telling than your AT Pro, and my AT Pro , and can pretty much draw a line around a target , and has the tone that you have to learn , as it's more than a "BEEP" of the machines of today ... Furthermore , you completely lost my respect when you mention achieved depths and judgeing them by using an air test !!.....RUBISH !!.... Try doing air tests with Minelab machines and you will soon see that they have NOTHING to do with the depth of targets that can be gotten, not to mention that the AT Pro can't achieve what can be gotten in air tests , and neither can many other brands of machines ..... Air tests are great for somene trying to impress a beginner into thinking that they can find jewelry at 20 inches !!..You want character in tone , strap on a Sovereign and go for a walk ..... There is more to the tones of a Sovereign , with no visual ID , than you can shake a stick at ..... Please don't judge me or my knowlege, especially when you come out with some of the statements you have made ..... You can doubt my video all you want ..... Have you looked at my machine or checked it out to know anything about what you are talking about ? ....No !!..... All you saw was a glimpse of what my machine does .... And now I'm spoiled by my E Trac because it has a screen ?
The screen is nothing more than another way of checking a target without having to go through what I have called "the rituals " .... If a visual ID is so bad , then I guess the all the companies are making visual ID's on their machines because it's a bad idea ..... Before ANYTHING I will judge my target on AUDIO way before I even look at the screen ....The screen is the last thing I will look at just to double check a target .... So tell me , how good are you at telling me what coin you're hitting when you are hunting a beach and you're picking up gas money ? ...... Show me how you can QUICKLY run down the beach and grab only quarters out of the sand ...... Visual ID has its valid points and is used to be a tool just like anything else on the detector ..... You have your way of detecting and I have mine ....What works for you may not work for me .....That does not make you any better than me ..... It makes you different ...... I have spent my time with the machines of days gone by ....They are still wonderful machines , but time marches on , and new and improved machines are on the market , INCLUDING the AT Pro ..... Again, I have NEVER said that the AT Pro had problems finding targets .....I said that I had problems with MY machine ..... I don't need to spend a month with my machine to find out that it has problems ... I'm not going to get use to a machine that has problems .... As I said earlier , you never saw or did any detecting with my machine other than the video ... Why did you bother buying a machine with a visual ID on it ? .....Seems like you're so dead set against it .... Why not find an old powerful analog machine that has no visual ID if you are so against visuals .... Run a Sovereign or an Excal with no meter on it on a beach in NYC , in All Metal mode , and then come back and tell me how spoiled I am with Minelab machines .....Jim

 

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[junglejim]

I was considering getting an AT Pro for gold hunting but now I am going to go with something else. Normal or not I do not want a machine that does that.

Thanks for the informative post.

junglejim, of course you would go with something else. If yer shooting gold, you gotta get a gold machine. Garrett makes a killer gold machine. Check it out!

Would that be the Scorpion Gold Stinger?

 

[Keppy]

I was considering getting an AT Pro for gold hunting but now I am going to go with something else. Normal or not I do not want a machine that does that.

Thanks for the informative post.

junglejim, of course you would go with something else. If yer shooting gold, you gotta get a gold machine. Garrett makes a killer gold machine. Check it out!

Would that be the Scorpion Gold Stinger?

I don't know if he is talking about the Scorpion or the Infinium>>...

 

[sekypaleo]

You seem to be a self proclaimed authority on metal detecting ...First of all , I have spent plenty of time with machines and still own machines with NO screen at all ......If you would like to get technical , the Sovereign's , and the Excals , that I have been running for years , are FAR MORE telling than your AT Pro, and my AT Pro , and can pretty much draw a line around a target , and has the tone that you have to learn , as it's more than a "BEEP" of the machines of today ... Furthermore , you completely lost my respect when you mention achieved depths and judgeing them by using an air test !!.....RUBISH !!.... Try doing air tests with Minelab machines and you will soon see that they have NOTHING to do with the depth of targets that can be gotten, not to mention that the AT Pro can't achieve what can be gotten in air tests , and neither can many other brands of machines ..... Air tests are great for somene trying to impress a beginner into thinking that they can find jewelry at 20 inches !!..You want character in tone , strap on a Sovereign and go for a walk ..... There is more to the tones of a Sovereign , with no visual ID , than you can shake a stick at ..... Please don't judge me or my knowlege, especially when you come out with some of the statements you have made ..... You can doubt my video all you want ..... Have you looked at my machine or checked it out to know anything about what you are talking about ? ....No !!..... All you saw was a glimpse of what my machine does .... And now I'm spoiled by my E Trac because it has a screen ?
The screen is nothing more than another way of checking a target without having to go through what I have called "the rituals " .... If a visual ID is so bad , then I guess the all the companies are making visual ID's on their machines because it's a bad idea ..... Before ANYTHING I will judge my target on AUDIO way before I even look at the screen ....The screen is the last thing I will look at just to double check a target .... So tell me , how good are you at telling me what coin you're hitting when you are hunting a beach and you're picking up gas money ? ...... Show me how you can QUICKLY run down the beach and grab only quarters out of the sand ...... Visual ID has its valid points and is used to be a tool just like anything else on the detector ..... You have your way of detecting and I have mine ....What works for you may not work for me .....That does not make you any better than me ..... It makes you different ...... I have spent my time with the machines of days gone by ....They are still wonderful machines , but time marches on , and new and improved machines are on the market , INCLUDING the AT Pro ..... Again, I have NEVER said that the AT Pro had problems finding targets .....I said that I had problems with MY machine ..... I don't need to spend a month with my machine to find out that it has problems ... I'm not going to get use to a machine that has problems .... As I said earlier , you never saw or did any detecting with my machine other than the video ... Why did you bother buying a machine with a visual ID on it ? .....Seems like you're so dead set against it .... Why not find an old powerful analog machine that has no visual ID if you are so against visuals .... Run a Sovereign or an Excal with no meter on it on a beach in NYC , in All Metal mode , and then come back and tell me how spoiled I am with Minelab machines .....Jim

da*n straight Jim!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

You seem to be a self proclaimed authority on metal detecting ...First of all , I have spent plenty of time with machines and still own machines with NO screen at all ......If you would like to get technical , the Sovereign's , and the Excals , that I have been running for years , are FAR MORE telling than your AT Pro, and my AT Pro , and can pretty much draw a line around a target , and has the tone that you have to learn , as it's more than a "BEEP" of the machines of today ... Furthermore , you completely lost my respect when you mention achieved depths and judgeing them by using an air test !!.....RUBISH !!.... Try doing air tests with Minelab machines and you will soon see that they have NOTHING to do with the depth of targets that can be gotten, not to mention that the AT Pro can't achieve what can be gotten in air tests , and neither can many other brands of machines ..... Air tests are great for somene trying to impress a beginner into thinking that they can find jewelry at 20 inches !!..You want character in tone , strap on a Sovereign and go for a walk ..... There is more to the tones of a Sovereign , with no visual ID , than you can shake a stick at ..... Please don't judge me or my knowlege, especially when you come out with some of the statements you have made ..... You can doubt my video all you want ..... Have you looked at my machine or checked it out to know anything about what you are talking about ? ....No !!..... All you saw was a glimpse of what my machine does .... And now I'm spoiled by my E Trac because it has a screen ?
The screen is nothing more than another way of checking a target without having to go through what I have called "the rituals " .... If a visual ID is so bad , then I guess the all the companies are making visual ID's on their machines because it's a bad idea ..... Before ANYTHING I will judge my target on AUDIO way before I even look at the screen ....The screen is the last thing I will look at just to double check a target .... So tell me , how good are you at telling me what coin you're hitting when you are hunting a beach and you're picking up gas money ? ...... Show me how you can QUICKLY run down the beach and grab only quarters out of the sand ...... Visual ID has its valid points and is used to be a tool just like anything else on the detector ..... You have your way of detecting and I have mine ....What works for you may not work for me .....That does not make you any better than me ..... It makes you different ...... I have spent my time with the machines of days gone by ....They are still wonderful machines , but time marches on , and new and improved machines are on the market , INCLUDING the AT Pro ..... Again, I have NEVER said that the AT Pro had problems finding targets .....I said that I had problems with MY machine ..... I don't need to spend a month with my machine to find out that it has problems ... I'm not going to get use to a machine that has problems .... As I said earlier , you never saw or did any detecting with my machine other than the video ... Why did you bother buying a machine with a visual ID on it ? .....Seems like you're so dead set against it .... Why not find an old powerful analog machine that has no visual ID if you are so against visuals .... Run a Sovereign or an Excal with no meter on it on a beach in NYC , in All Metal mode , and then come back and tell me how spoiled I am with Minelab machines .....Jim

 

[Keppy]

JG.. You now have the wrath of the minelab religious cult on you............ You know that you committed blaspheme talking against the Minelab E-trac...... & Explorer detectors.....

 

[John-Edmonton]

JG.. You now have the wrath of the minelab religious cult on you............ You know that you committed blaspheme talking against the Minelab E-trac...... & Explorer detectors.....

It bruised some egos so bad that the whole forum got hacked! ​

 

[Keppy]

Soooo that is why the Tnet has been off for so long......... better watch what i say.......

 

[JG]

Treasurenet MATRIX is RELOADED!

One has to wonder about cause and effect. Been some major sponsorship changes at the Lost-m-all site recently. They have some serious IT people that play pranks on each other and members. The parent ISP has been in trouble with identity theft and my IP has just been added to many blocked lists. Neat trick. The site (T-net) was out there -it would not easily load here but I did make it once to login before I got the google oops. This place has to the best if hackers try to take it down. My IP is okay with Lostmall.

Responding to the question of a foolish observation: Synthnut;

I don’t need to be an expert to know the coil is mounted to the shaft and the cable gets secured. That is basic. I have used the smallest of coils (hotfoot, F75 etc) as handheld pinpointers swapped out at the control head when in a hole and I know the falsing you think is a problem is not one. If that makes me an expert, it is only because I know a loose coil can detect its own cable at high sensitivity settings and I can live with that. In normal operation the machine is quiet and does not false.
If I want to cherry pick quarters with the AT PRO it is real simple. I use the notch feature to accept only quarters and like the manual says, I notch in on either side of the favored target. If that make me an expert, it is only because I read and understood the manual of operation.

Anyone who has experience knows air tests are used to calibrate and test coils at the factory. Look at the link of Made in America above for some school’n if you think I’m fool’n. If it works for them, it will work for me. In the basic usage of an air test one can get a relative idea how well the machine and coil will respond to a target and the distance of detection. Air is a dielectric and is a suitable to test with for VLFs. The E-Trac failed terribly on gold and it has lousy depth on gold, just another example the machine is an overpriced white elephant, IMHO.

For those of us who did not fall off the turnip truck, your test, your problem and your basic understanding of how things are used and work are lacking. The very idea that you would ask me how I would cherry pick quarters tells me volumes about your detecting savvy that is not as smart as a whip but is as dumb as a mud fencepost. It is one thing for you to be but to look for converts and sympathizers here is way wrong. Detecting behind you must be very rewarding no matter what machine is used.

Do you not know the principle of operation? The machine detects metal. There is metal in the cable and it can detect it. Duh! Anyone who has a problem with that is in the wrong hobby and should get a refund to get a VSAT tat on their forehead so we can see them coming.

I get the impression you are grandstanding around the forums to dissuade potential AT PRO owners, and it looks like from some of the posters you have been successful. They should get another machine because they will not know what they will miss in performance and in the ground and they are entitled to be happy with what they own, even if it sucks IMHO.

 

[synthnut]

Responding to the question of a foolish observation: Synthnut;

"I don’t need to be an expert to know the coil is mounted to the shaft and the cable gets secured. That is basic. I have used the smallest of coils (hotfoot, F75 etc) as handheld pinpointers swapped out at the control head when in a hole and I know the falsing you think is a problem is not one. If that makes me an expert, it is only because I know a loose coil can detect its own cable at high sensitivity settings and I can live with that. In normal operation the machine is quiet and does not false. "

The reason I showed the coil OFF of the machine was because people were claiming that the cable attached to the coil was loose , and that was the reason for the falsing .....I was basically isolating the cable from moving to prove that it was NOT the loose cable that was causing the falsing ....

If I want to cherry pick quarters with the AT PRO it is real simple. I use the notch feature to accept only quarters and like the manual says, I notch in on either side of the favored target. If that make me an expert, it is only because I read and understood the manual of operation.

You had a problem with machines that had displays on them remember ? .....I was asking you how you notched your targets on a machine without a display , and what machine without a display allows you to notch JUST A QUARTER ? Oh , wait , it's OK to do this on an AT Pro , but it's a bad move on a Minelabs ? ..... You're contradicting yourself here .....

"Anyone who has experience knows air tests are used to calibrate and test coils at the factory."

We do not calibrate coils in the field , so this has no relevance to the average Joe .... There is a lot more than running a simple air test when calibrating a coil ....

"Look at the link of Made in America above for some school’n if you think I’m fool’n. If it works for them, it will work for me. In the basic usage of an air test one can get a relative idea how well the machine and coil will respond to a target and the distance of detection. "

Wrong again .....Air tests rarely have ANY indication of how deep a machine will detect ....I have had machines that don't air test worth a darn , but go extremely deep in soil or sand ....On the flip side, there are also machines that air test unbelieveably well , that can't find the same target at 1/2 what it air tests at .......
I try my best to buy American , but if there is a product that I see that is made somewhere else that does a better job , I buy it ..... You can thank your AMERICAN politicians for sending the work oversea's .....There is very little made in this country anymore .....This was a president set by the AMERICAN leaders !!..... I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's real, and this is what we are faced with today .......And I DO own an AT Pro !!.....


"Air is a dielectric and is a suitable to test with for VLFs. The E-Trac failed terribly on gold and it has lousy depth on gold, just another example the machine is an overpriced white elephant, IMHO."

Your certainly entitled to your opinion , and you can go over to the E Trac forum and let everyone there know that the gold and silver and the deep targets that they found are worthless , and that the machine they found them with is just as worthless ...... Let them also know how important you think an air test is also .... Show them some air tests on an American made Tesoro machine, and then show them how it corresponds to the same target in the ground to prove your point ....

"For those of us who did not fall off the turnip truck, your test, your problem and your basic understanding of how things are used and work are lacking. The very idea that you would ask me how I would cherry pick quarters tells me volumes about your detecting savvy that is not as smart as a whip but is as dumb as a mud fencepost. It is one thing for you to be but to look for converts and sympathizers here is way wrong. Detecting behind you must be very rewarding no matter what machine is used."

If you have to resort to a section that I explained above , and you cannot argue with facts , I would encourage you to pick a fight with someone that you might be able to challenge ......

" Do you not know the principle of operation? The machine detects metal. There is metal in the cable and it can detect it. Duh! Anyone who has a problem with that is in the wrong hobby and should get a refund to get a VSAT tat on their forehead so we can see them coming."

More attacks, ..... no facts !!..... Please ....Tell us more about detecting ......

" I get the impression you are grandstanding around the forums to dissuade potential AT PRO owners, and it looks like from some of the posters you have been successful. They should get another machine because they will not know what they will miss in performance and in the ground and they are entitled to be happy with what they own, even if it sucks IMHO."

I know that there are others with the same problem with their machine as I have ...... I have heard from many of them ......The fact that your machine may not have any issues, does not mean that my machine is the same as yours ........The fact remains that I had a problem with my machine , and it's in for repair ...... To make matters worse is the fact that I hear from folks like you , who throw words around , trying to make someone look bad , when they have a problem with thier machine ...... Folks like you have NOTHING to offer that will solve any problem , and they do nothing but badmouth others who do have problems with their machine , simply because you have no explanation ..... Your comment that the detector is detecting it's own cable is rediculous !!..... You make comments that belittle people in an effort to make yourself look good ..... You can see by the responders in this thread that you failed at that too ...... Jim

BTW ......I just got finished making a straight shaft for my AT Pro, and will mount it when it get's back to me ..... If I'm so set against the AT Pro , why would I do this ? ......

 

[dazoff]

Good of you to take the time and share your experience Jim.
I have an AT Pro coming, this machine will do well here on the wet coast of Vancouver.
I've waited for a long time to see a manufacture produce a waterproof ID machine.

Looking forward to the results you get from Garrett. Dan

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Good of you to take the time and share your experience Jim.
I have an AT Pro coming, this machine will do well here on the wet coast of Vancouver.
I've waited for a long time to see a manufacture produce a waterproof ID machine.

Looking forward to the results you get from Garrett. Dan

How you doing my friend, haven't heard from you in a while.....

 

[dazoff]

Good of you to take the time and share your experience Jim.
I have an AT Pro coming, this machine will do well here on the wet coast of Vancouver.
I've waited for a long time to see a manufacture produce a waterproof ID machine.

Looking forward to the results you get from Garrett. Dan

How you doing my friend, haven't heard from you in a while.....

Doing well my friend retired and loving it.

 

[synthnut]

"The AT PRO is the best in its class and that class has been defined by Garrett once again. "
....ONE THING WE AGREE ON !!.....

The AT pro is a GREAT machine , and I have said it before , and I will say it again ....Once the falsing get's straightened out on SOME of the machines , it will be a machine to be reconed with ....For the feature set that it has, and for the performance that it exhibits , it is by far the best machine in it's class !!..... I have not problem saying that , and I will stand behind my statement ....Again...SOME , NOT ALL , and NOT EVERY , AT Pro has problems , but SOME DO !!..... I will also stand behind THAT statement

I will not say one way or the other what EITHER machine will do better than the other one way or the other , EXCEPT that the AT Pro is much lighter !!!...... I have not spent enough time with the AT Pro to make any calls one way or the other ....

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[TURNMASTER]

I'm no pro.

I own 2 MLs, an SE and an Xterra 705. I also have the AT Pro now and I have found thatit hase some VERY similar characteristics to the 705. I do like how it hits crowncaps.

I have had 2 other machines besides. I really like the ML and the sounds. which is why I do not still own the other 2 machines, no matter how good they are roported to be.

I got the AT based on Garretts reputation for quality and the water resistant nature of the machine. I have had it out once so far and it seems to be VERY sensitive. Yes I was running at full or 1 to 2 notches down. I went over the area with the machine I am most familiar with and still found only 1 target I had missed.

I think it is going to be a good machine.

When it comes to brand loyalty I will always prefer Ford. I have owned Chevys and Toyotas and Hondas. I like my MLs and will continue to try out others. I will be persuaded by My own performance and ergonomics as well as how I like the operation of each.

I have found that the Explorer provides more info than the Xterra and in some ways is superior to it but I still prefer the operation of the Xterra even though I have found missed coins with the SE.

To each his own.

Jeff

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

It is like asking what is better:
Blonds, brunettes or redheads?
Fords or Chevys?
American wife or Oriental wife?

Me, I am a Chevy man, Owned a nice 57 Chevy and then a beautiful 55 Chevy 2 door coupe for 12 years that I showed, my wife's current car is a 2008 Ford, and I drive a Chrysler Mini Van now.

I like blonds, but my first wife was brunette, and current wife has jet black hair, I prefer Orientals, my first wife was Caucasian and my wife now is a sexy Oriental (Filipino)...

I own 4 ML's, a Whites, and a Fisher. Who knows what I will add to the arsenal next....

 

[JG]

Now with a new blanket of snow on the ground you can finish the SE waterproofing project. You need to use a rosin based solder and not acid based. Fact.

ML needed all the help they can get after the Sudan rush was over. Sales are way-way down. New competitive products and ML knock-offs have them at a big loss. My Xs failed at the control head where the cam lock is like everyone else’s did. Repairs are at an all-time high with circuit problems on several ML models, and dealers still have to meet sales quotas with great pressure. Every time a new machine comes out so do the ML trolls to hurt sales. They hammer on any new pre-release info and on release of the product itself while ML holds a sale. The US manufacturers are slim and trim and are not top heavy like ML. ML is destined to fail and it all started when a big retailer started to make ML knock-off accessories and sold them as ML ‘gifts’ - now the monkeyshines are out in full force. The US brands are all delivering more variety, value and advancements than ML can compete with. No amount of ML customer support short of massive repeat sales will help ML and that scenario has been played out like the end of a piano roll flapping away. They cannot survive on repair income and model upgrades. They have cut back on their advertising budget in a downward spiral and the special sales promotions did not work. Some of the dealers will get left holding the bag and that is an unfortunate thing. The smart ones are discontinuing their dealerships and dumping inventory to supply better selling brands without being pressured to carry the inventory that makes ML look good on watermarked paper. Fact or opinion? It does not matter to me. ML is under water. The handwriting is on the wall.

No, my AT PRO does not do that. I mounted the coil as instructed in the manual and followed the directions to secure the cable. Fact.

Do I need to back up my statements? Not any more than the coil problem conspirers have to prove there is a problem with the AT PRO. Fact. Call it an opinion if you want but ML is on the outs and Garrett, Tesoro, Whites, Fisher and all US brands are delivering reliable technology that the buyers want and can trust. Not a one of the US brands sells on features that are questionable to people who understand electronics and who know what is a valued feature (excluding the LRL makers). Fact.

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[Treasure_Hunter]

synthnut,

Just ignore.....ML owners know how they work and how good they are, I would not hesitate to buy another Excal if one came along at a good price.

I owned a brand new Whites BHID and the thing constantly leaked, I traded it in on a new Sov GT and couldn't have been happier.....It paid for itself a long, long time ago....All of my Excals have paid for theirselves as well.....

 

[synthnut]

Treasure Hunter ,
....Jim