Is your AT Pro doing this ?

[kwdstalker]

here is from another forum,but still will not send it in.i am beginning to think there is nothing wrong with his or why would he not send it in.that is the only way Garrett knows what it is doing.i would not take his word about it not working if he would not send it in.

Tom
The dime was not put on a sidewalk or near any rebar, or any other iron for that matter ... ....it was an air test as I have nothing but snow where I am ... The Merc dime was swept behind the coil and was reading a high tone until I got about 7-8 " away from the coil .....The tone then turned to an Iron tone ......It sitll hit , but it was not a high tone Silver tone ..... I will test it again tomorrow and make a video after I clean up what they say is going to be 6-12 inches of snow !!...........Thanks, Jim


" And to stay on topic..the first aftermarket coil manufacturer that comes out with a properly functioning coil for the AT Pro...is going to make a KILLING"

One would think that this would be the case , but from what I am seeing over at finds , there is no real answer for me .....Garrett is saying that what this coil is exhibitting is "normal " ......The Garrett owners at finds are convinced that it is normal , and they are telling me to send my machine and coil back to Garrett , who is telling me that what I am experiencing is normal ...Round and round and round !!.....It's all pretty supid .......Garrett is not owning up to ANYTHING and say that this is normal behavior !!..... Why would the AT PRo owners buy a coil if they are finding targets , and can use the coil that they already own that they are happy with ? ....... and for me to go out and buy another $100 - 150 coil that does not false , just adds more to the price of a machine that I paid enough for to begin with .... I for one would LOVE to see a SEF coil or something similar come out for the AT PRo , and be a silent running coil , if for nothing more , than to prove to the Garrett users that they were wrong , and that they are using a lesser coil on their machine ..... As it stands now , if nobody produces a better coil , we are all at a loss ....I'm pretty well STUCK !!.....I would loose too much money to try to sell this machine......I can't hunt the way I NORMALLY hunt with this coil , and Garrett is saying that this is NORMAL .....You can't make this stuff up .....I gave up on the coil thread over at finds .....There really was no answer .....I'm pretty tired of getting duped by companies that take us detector buyers as a bunch of fools .....Maybe if we stop sticking electrical tape on our lower shafts to stop them from wabbling , and sticking broomsticks in our upper shafts to make our arm cuffs long enough for an adult to use , and we send back ALL the machines that are falsing , then MAYBE they will take us more serously .... Until then , we deserve what we get ......Jim

 

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[EZrider]

I say send the coil in. Garrett wants him to send the whole machine in "at his cost" no less. Whats to say Garrett doesn't detune his machine so it don't false. Only to then not have the depth it once had.

When someone in/from the detector industry tests a AT pro. And then comments the coil has a "shielding issue". One has to wonder. Yet Garrett says this is normal. I would be on the fence too.

I have hunted with and tested Jims machine in the video. The way that machine is i could not hunt with it. It is not EMI. It has been hunted both on the beach and in the park. It's the same thing.

We are all taught to keep the coil close to the ground and lightly brush it. You cant do that with his machine. Anything faster than slow motion swing it false at the end of the swing.

I told him to post on different forums to see if anyone else is getting the same thing. He simply asked that question and posted a video. Then everyone started to discredit him.

 

[U.K. Brian]

I'm still trying to get two or three together to see if there's much difference in performance. There's always the worry that to meet demands with a new design final check ups are rushed. A major detector dealer in the U.K. would always send his personal detector back to another U.S. detector manufacturer suggesting it had a fault (when it hadn't) because he thought that that the repair people more finely tuned the machines than happened on the production line.

My worry is that falsing happens when out in brush and I can't see the same thing not happening on stiff stubble which is a major detecting type of ground in the summer.

I do like a coil extended out a reasonable distance and the wobble does annoy. I followed the hint to stretch PVC tape round the shaft then insert it and this worked. but I then read that someone had jammed his up. Trying the one I borrowed I had jammed that as well. Not something to do with a borrowed machine thats about to be sold on.

As for all the rings/chains etc being found all I ask is a size or weight of ring to be provided with the depth. Beach type would be handy as well. What works in Florida doesn't work well in high mineralisation or black sand areas.

I've had new faulty detectors in the past and have had delivery charges paid both ways which does make up for the disappointment of that sinking feeling when you switch on for the first time and you know something is wrong.

 

[Sandman]

Company's used to be able to sweep us under the rug when something went wrong. Now with these forums and us reporting to the whole world what is wrong and how did the company fix it or not helps everyone get proper service now that greed and not pride makes the company straight. Granted sometimes a mistake is made on the line or a bad batch of parts gets assembled and we depend on the company making it right with us.

That is why car company's have recalls, but they mostly do it only for safety reasons.

 

[synthnut]

John Edmonton,
I don't remember where I said that the coil is not finding targets ......I'm finding targets , but have to completely change my style of hunting to do it ......I've posted to see if I'm the only guy in town with a coil that falses like this ..... It turns out I'm not ..... There is no reason for me to send a coil back to a company that tells me that by moving the coil back and forth , that it's NORMAL for it to go off when twisting it back and forth ...I guess it's also normal for a coil to false when it's scrubbed against the ground ? ... Is it normal for a coil to false when you change direction ? ...
Maybe none of this bothers you with the way you hunt , or you just get use to these issues ..... My ears are tuned for high tone Silver tones , and everytime this machine falses , it stops me dead in my tracks to RE check a target .... THIS is the exact reason why I do not send my coil back to Garrett ......Why bother ? ......It's normal as far as they are concerned .....Jim

" Hi James,

As far as you twisting your wrist back and forth and the detector going off that is normal. That is common with a lot of detectors and even more so with DD coils.
Where are you hunting at? Did you try to ground balance your detector to help with the noise that your detector makes when you get to close to ground? Also how tight is your coil wrapped around the stem?

Thanks,

Brad Keel
Customer Service - Tech Support
Garrett Metal Detectors
Ph: 972-494-6151 / 1-800-527-4011
Fax: 972-494-1881
http://www.garrett.com "

Just so you all know , Brad offered to let me send the machine back to Garrett ......This was my reply back to him


Hi Brad,
After talking to a lot of guys on the forums , I am pretty much convinced that this is a coil issue and not a detector issue ......There are plenty of folks with the same issue as I have , and they are all convinced that this is the way its suppose to be .......I'm also not wanting my detector detuned , and would rather put up with the falsing rather than have it adjusted that way ..... You mentioned in one of your emails that this is normal, and is also common with other DD coils , and that there is nothing wrong with the coil ..... I respectfully disagree with you, and if that is your position on the matter, I don't think that anything will be resolved by me sending this unit back to you ...... As I said earlier , I have had many other brands of detectors with DD coils and none of them made these falsing noises .... The detector and coil still works , even though it falses .... If there are other coils that make these same noises, then they too have issues with them ...... I'm not going argue the fact with you , and will leave things the way they are and just hunt with the AT Pro for a while and sell it before the prices drop any more than they already have .... I had a good hunt in the dry sand as long as I kept the coil in the air , and did not hit any sand mounds , or make any swift moves to change direction ..... That sort of shoots the fast walk, with a fast detector , to grab recent drops , in the foot as is what I was hoping to use the AT for , but that's the way it goes .... If the company is not producing coils that don't false like this ,and the engineers feel that they are fine the way they are , I will just leave things the way they are ..... I don't think that I would have anything to gain by sending the unit back to you ......Thanks for listenning , and thanks for your offer to take this unit back ......I appreciate it ......Sincerely, Jim

 

[pyledriver]

Sounds like some level of falsing is normal and yours is much worse! In another thread I posted about the coil falsing when shaken being similar to my Scorpion. Mine really isn't bad though and I wonder if yours has a problem..but maybe also if your detector is one of those 'hot' detectors that people talk about. The ones that seem to perform above the norm. If it were hyper-sensitive that might account for the problems you're having.

I know that my AT doesn't false when changing direction, doesn't false when the coil hits the ground, but it can false when branches hit the coil wire. I did see a reduction in overall falsing though when I've ground balanced, or even re-balanced as I move across fields, etc. I think you should send it in just in case your situation is not the 'normal' that he is referring to. At least that way you'll know if it's truly a problem or if it really is operating properly and if you can live with it or not acting that way.

 

[dogpound]

maybe also send them a copy of the youtube vid. ya did so the techs at garrett can see if this is "normal" before ya send it in. i would think if everyone's AT falsed the way yours does there would be more of an uproar.

 

[synthnut]

I've found out what I needed to know , and there are many people who have PM'd me to let me know that they are having the same issues that I am, so I know that I am not the only one experiencing this ..... If I DO have a "hot" running machine , I would not want it dummied down ..... The Sensitivity has to be brought completely down almost to nothing for the falsing to go away , and I am not prepared to go out an hunt only able to hit targets 2 inches under the ground as my max .... I'll wait and see if any aftermarket coils like the SEF coil comes out ..... I'll then sell this coil that I have to someone who has no problems listenning to the falsing , which I'm sure is quite a few people .... Thanks to all for your help .... and I'm happy for those of you who have no problems with your AT Pro ... I could learn to like mine if it didn't false .....It's not a bad machine ....Jim

 

[junglejim]

I was considering getting an AT Pro for gold hunting but now I am going to go with something else. Normal or not I do not want a machine that does that.

Thanks for the informative post.

 

[gleaner1]

I've found out what I needed to know , and there are many people who have PM'd me to let me know that they are having the same issues that I am, so I know that I am not the only one experiencing this ..... If I DO have a "hot" running machine , I would not want it dummied down ..... The Sensitivity has to be brought completely down almost to nothing for the falsing to go away , and I am not prepared to go out an hunt only able to hit targets 2 inches under the ground as my max .... I'll wait and see if any aftermarket coils like the SEF coil comes out ..... I'll then sell this coil that I have to someone who has no problems listenning to the falsing , which I'm sure is quite a few people .... Thanks to all for your help .... and I'm happy for those of you who have no problems with your AT Pro ... I could learn to like mine if it didn't false .....It's not a bad machine ....Jim

Jim, all ATPros do what you show in the video. Most detectors will do what you show in the video. If I knew how to post videos, I could spend a good day showing all kinds of videos showing what you show with a lot of different machines , classic machines that people love. Where is your video of the machine operating in a field situation, with appropriate sensitivity setting, and properly ground balanced?

 

[gleaner1]

I was considering getting an AT Pro for gold hunting but now I am going to go with something else. Normal or not I do not want a machine that does that.

Thanks for the informative post.

junglejim, of course you would go with something else. If yer shooting gold, you gotta get a gold machine. Garrett makes a killer gold machine. Check it out!

 

[synthnut]

gleaner1,
I will bring along my video camera to the beach when I go this Sunday ......The weather is suppose to be better, and I am going with my partner to do some depth testing on gold jewelry .....I will shoot the video there and post it ..... It's the only area where I live that does not have over a foot of snow on the ground ...... I would have shot the first video in a normal hunting surrounding , however it was snowing , and the ground already had plenty of cover ..... I will get back to you with the video .....I'm interested to see how the AT Pro does with Gold as it's really got the operating frequency to excel in this area .....Gold jewelry on the beach , and finding it at a fast clip is the main reason why I bought my AT Pro ...I will get back with a video ....Thanks , Jim

 

[Normann]

Well i don't have the At PRO. But what i can see from your video is that you detect the coilwire. I doesn't mather that you strapt up the wire so long as the coil is free. The coil is moving and detect the wire. Am i the only one to seee this ?

Normann

 

[dogpound]

i've heard from other AT owners that their machine works perfect, has great depth, and only gives a chirp when the coil is wacked against brush or a solid object which to me is normal. i thing this is a very isolated problem or you'd hear alot more complaints. since i'm lookin at gettin an AT i've been also watchin alot of AT youtube videos and haven't seen or heard of these problems. i hope to purchase one in the next month or two and know that if my machine falsed as much as that i'd be sending it back

 

[ThTx]

Well i don't have the At PRO. But what i can see from your video is that you detect the coilwire. I doesn't mather that you strapt up the wire so long as the coil is free. The coil is moving and detect the wire. Am i the only one to seee this ?

Normann

I see it. But if he believes this machine is actually as bad as he says and he won't send it back to give Garrett a chance to fix it, I doubt that he will listen to that bit of reason, either.

 

[synthnut]

The original poster showed this same thing with the coil attached and folks complained that it could be the loose lower shaft that causing the problem .....For all of you doubters , I will take the machine out into the field , away from any wires, away from any homes , and away from any electrical interference , or anything that you might constru as something to make the coil go off ...I am going Sunday to do some Gold depth tests and will show this issue with the coil once again .....

Again, let me direct you to a reply on THIS THREAD to John Edmonton , where I explained to Garrett , why I would not be sending the machine back to them ...... Please read the letter, and it will give you some insight as to why I do not send this machine back . ...... Thanks for listenning .....Jim

 

[U.K. Brian]

Loved your post re the Minelab dealer Keppy.

I've had a Moderator threatening to EAT ME a couple of days back. He "eats the British". Usual big mouth, no finds type. You can't question their opinion and I'm "anti Garrett" for saying hang on a few months. It is however acceptable to have a post saying ALL C-Scope's are rubbish.

Guess I'm lucky it costs more than $100 to get to Britain, so its out of his price range.

 

[dogpound]

The original poster showed this same thing with the coil attached and folks complained that it could be the loose lower shaft that causing the problem .....For all of you doubters , I will take the machine out into the field , away from any wires, away from any homes , and away from any electrical interference , or anything that you might constru as something to make the coil go off ...I am going Sunday to do some Gold depth tests and will show this issue with the coil once again .....

Again, let me direct you to a reply on THIS THREAD to John Edmonton , where I explained to Garrett , why I would not be sending the machine back to them ...... Please read the letter, and it will give you some insight as to why I do not send this machine back . ...... Thanks for listenning .....Jim

i have no dout that your machine fasles the way you discribe...my question is does every AT pro behave like that. i'm sure a few "bad" machines come off the line and maybe you have one of them.

 

[lookindown]

Well i don't have the At PRO. But what i can see from your video is that you detect the coilwire. I doesn't mather that you strapt up the wire so long as the coil is free. The coil is moving and detect the wire. Am i the only one to seee this ?

Normann

You are wright,the coil and the wire have to move together.

 

[synthnut]

NO , I am not saying that every machine behaves like that .....I am simply stateing that MY machine does this, and there are others that have the problem also as I have found out from this video ...I did not say EVERYBODY, and I did not say ALL ....I never said anything like this , and if you read my posts carefully, you will see that I did NOT say that .... .....If you all notice the thread title , I am ASKING " Is your coil doing this ? " .....It is not titled " All coils are doing this " .....I am asking a question, not making a comment .....Thank you ....Jim

I will be out by the ocean on Sunday doing gold depth tests with my partner , and we will be checking depths in the wet salt sand , the damp salt sand , and the dry sand , on 4 different machines ....... I will make a video ..... All coils will be attached as they would be when hunting , and sorry, but I can't change the water, and no there will be no wires around