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Just got back from a trip to England to go detecting. We hunted alot of fields and did alot of walking in those 5 days or so. Lots of wind and rain, but my luck held out. I was walking the edge of a field and looked down while detecting. Not sure if I hit this with my detector and then looked down, or just looked down. Sticking out of the dirt was this weird shiney object. Thought it was a piece of trash till I picked it up. I looked at it and it looked like a gold swizzle stick for a cocktail. BUT, I knew it was gold, so I called over to the rest of the group. "I found BIG gold", to which the reply came back, "what, a coin?", "No", "a ring?", "No, It is about 6 inches long and twisted". "I'll be right over!!". Turns out this piece is a GOLD piece of a possible BRONZE AGE 1200-1300 B.C. Torc belt.
Somewhere in that field we suspect there may be another 18 inches of that Torc. I left it in England to be evaluated for Treasure Trove. As this is a piece of UK history, it would be nice to see it in a museum over there. Nothing can ever match up to finding a piece like this!
 

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AWESOME FIND!!! I never knew they made Torc belts!!! I always thought they were only necklaces and bracelets!!!
 

Hah! Going on 5 yrs now and still not paid out.
That could be to your advantage. If the rest is found, your piece should become much more valuable. Do you know if anybody has found (reported) any other gold treasure since you were there?

Personally, I’d request a digital scan of the object so I could have it 3D printed, filled with lead, and gold plated. Would be very inexpensive these days and would be a great memento.

Might be accomplished on your end with just a few E-Mails.

Thanks for the update.
 

Just got back from a trip to England to go detecting. We hunted alot of fields and did alot of walking in those 5 days or so. Lots of wind and rain, but my luck held out. I was walking the edge of a field and looked down while detecting. Not sure if I hit this with my detector and then looked down, or just looked down. Sticking out of the dirt was this weird shiney object. Thought it was a piece of trash till I picked it up. I looked at it and it looked like a gold swizzle stick for a cocktail. BUT, I knew it was gold, so I called over to the rest of the group. "I found BIG gold", to which the reply came back, "what, a coin?", "No", "a ring?", "No, It is about 6 inches long and twisted". "I'll be right over!!". Turns out this piece is a GOLD piece of a possible BRONZE AGE 1200-1300 B.C. Torc belt.
Somewhere in that field we suspect there may be another 18 inches of that Torc. I left it in England to be evaluated for Treasure Trove. As this is a piece of UK history, it would be nice to see it in a museum over there. Nothing can ever match up to finding a piece like this!
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What stage are you at?

Have the Valuation Committee valued it yet?
My understanding is that it started out at one evaluation and was changed to a lower one. I believe he's waiting for an explanation. We were on the same field together when he found it. I went one way, he went another (obviously the better direction!). Remarkable find. Neither one of us knew what it was initially. Another guy in our group did though, and almost soiled himself! :laughing7:
 

My understanding is that it started out at one evaluation and was changed to a lower one. I believe he's waiting for an explanation. We were on the same field together when he found it. I went one way, he went another (obviously the better direction!). Remarkable find. Neither one of us knew what it was initially. Another guy in our group did though, and almost soiled himself! :laughing7:
Not sure how that could happen.

But I think you might mean the initial valuation (can't remember the formal name) that goes to the Committee, normally a range. The Committee then tend to agree somewhere in that range. But the range is a guideline, although I've not known them go below it before.:dontknow: But I have known a few low balls.
 

Not sure how that could happen.

But I think you might mean the initial valuation (can't remember the formal name) that goes to the Committee, normally a range. The Committee then tend to agree somewhere in that range. But the range is a guideline, although I've not known them go below it before.:dontknow: But I have known a few low balls.
Yes, the initial was a decent range, then the Committee came up with a number significantly lower than the low end of the initial valuation from what I am told.
 

Yes, the initial was a decent range, then the Committee came up with a number significantly lower than the low end of the initial valuation from what I am told.
Piss takers. Hard to appeal without spending money. I never appeal but I put in my observations to the Valuation Committee to ensure they give it closer to the fair price.
 

Just got back from a trip to England to go detecting. We hunted alot of fields and did alot of walking in those 5 days or so. Lots of wind and rain, but my luck held out. I was walking the edge of a field and looked down while detecting. Not sure if I hit this with my detector and then looked down, or just looked down. Sticking out of the dirt was this weird shiney object. Thought it was a piece of trash till I picked it up. I looked at it and it looked like a gold swizzle stick for a cocktail. BUT, I knew it was gold, so I called over to the rest of the group. "I found BIG gold", to which the reply came back, "what, a coin?", "No", "a ring?", "No, It is about 6 inches long and twisted". "I'll be right over!!". Turns out this piece is a GOLD piece of a possible BRONZE AGE 1200-1300 B.C. Torc belt.
Somewhere in that field we suspect there may be another 18 inches of that Torc. I left it in England to be evaluated for Treasure Trove. As this is a piece of UK history, it would be nice to see it in a museum over there. Nothing can ever match up to finding a piece like this!
Wonderful. Banner vote from me. Wow congrats
 

All done, finally. They ended up denying my attempts to get a high valuation closer to the original one. Funny thing is, I got two from reputable auction houses. This is one way the valuation commitee gets their values, so mine should have been just as valid as theirs.
Now, I have a new question.
I believe the $$ that comes from England is not taxed, but what needs to be reported on the US side as far as taxes and what would it be reported as?
 

I believe the $$ that comes from England is not taxed, but what needs to be reported on the US side as far as taxes and what would it be reported as?
The IRS considers found property as income, and it is taxable at fair market value (and if you're a US citizen, they don't care where in the world the 'income" came from). Here's what TurboTax has to say about it. https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/general/what-to-know-about-taxes-on-found-property/L9BfdKz7N
 

Fantastic find and great that you now have your money. Note that, although auction prices are taken into account as part of the Treasure Committee’s valuation, the actual amount is usually considered to be what would be an agreeable price between a willing buyer and a willing seller. That is, not the price that might be realised in an aggressive competitive auction.

You’re correct that you’re not liable for Capital Gains Tax in the UK. Non-residents generally only pay CGT on profits relating to sale of property, land, or the rights to assets that derive at least 75% of their value from UK land.


My understanding of your situation would be this:

In the US, collectibles are considered ‘’alternative investments” by the IRS and include things like art, stamps, coins, cards, comics, rare items, antiques, and such. If collectibles are sold at a gain (and effectively you have sold a found item to the UK museum services at a gain since you found it and paid nothing for it), you will be subject to a long-term capital gains tax rate of up to 28%, if disposed of after more than one year of ownership (which doesn’t apply in your case). Collectibles sold at a gain are subject to ordinary income tax rates if held for one year or less (as in your case). You are entitled to deduct costs (if you incurred any) from the amount gained (but obviously not the costs of your trip to the UK).

You are not entitled to any foreign income exclusions because (I presume) you don’t have a ‘tax home’ in the UK.


This from the United States IRS website https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc409...gains are taxed,than 15% for most individuals [edited to remove some non-relevant info]:

Net capital gains are taxed at different rates depending on overall taxable income, although some or all net capital gain may be taxed at 0%. For taxable years beginning in 2024, the tax rate on most net capital gain is no higher than 15% for most individuals.

- A capital gains rate of 0% applies if your taxable income is less than or equal to:
- $47,025 for single and married filing separately;
- $94,050 for married filing jointly and qualifying surviving spouse; and
- $63,000 for head of household.
A capital gains rate of 15% applies if your taxable income is:
- more than $47,025 but less than or equal to $518,900 for single;
- more than $47,025 but less than or equal to $291,850 for married filing separately;
- more than $94,050 but less than or equal to $583,750 for married filing jointly and qualifying surviving spouse; and
- more than $63,000 but less than or equal to $551,350 for head of household.

However, a capital gains rate of 20% applies to the extent that your taxable income exceeds the thresholds set for the 15% capital gain rate.

There are a few other exceptions where capital gains may be taxed at rates greater than 20%:
- Net capital gains from selling collectibles (such as coins or art) are taxed at a maximum 28% rate.

Where to report

Report most sales and other capital transactions and calculate capital gain or loss on Form 8949, Sales and Other Dispositions of Capital Assets, then summarize capital gains and deductible capital losses on Schedule D (Form 1040).
 

A spectacular find.
I've been blessed enough to have found a early bronze age flat axe. A mid bronze age spearhead and a mid bronze age palstave axehead.
But a friend of mine has been blessed not only by finding a bronze age hammer but also an early bronze age (4000 year old) gold armlet.
Note the design, it pre dates "Celts" by millenia and was worn by the mysterious Beaker folk who began migrating to Britain circa 2500BC. They are known as Beaker folk becuase of the Beaker like vases they buried in mounds containing the burnt ashes of the dead.
It was declared treasure (obv) and he split £34.000 with the landowner.
not bad 17 grand for what he first thought whe he spotted it was the rim of a paint tin.
in fact when he pulled it out being a novice with hust 6 months experience he didn't find out how significant it was until he posted it up online and his inbox went wild😆
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Very cool find. Congratulations.
 

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