IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT "ouachtia treasure consultants" TREASURE "computers, maps, emails" FALLING INTO THE WRONG HANDS

[rennes]

IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT MY TREASURE WORK FALLING INTO THE WRONG HANDS
TH'ers, please note that most of my life's work on treasure is now in the hands of an unauthorized person. John London my long time partner who exchanged signs, symbols.
photos and video between us, passed away last year. His daughter got all of his computers and equipment. She would not allow me to purchase it so she gave it to a person that I know. Please watch for any maps or photos which are from the LUE in AZ, the JJ lost treasure in the Wichita Mts. OK, The Lost Confederate Treasury in Danville VA. John and our team have solved all of those mysteries and have made maps showing how the treasure areas were discovered. Of course I all I have in my PC is copyrighted and anyone using any of it will be investigated by the FBI who is responsible for infringement. I'm sure that no amplification to what is shown on the maps will accompany and postings of my work
Books are nearing completion on all of these sites as well as television documentaries are being planned.
Thanks for reading his and anyone who provides information on this subject will be entitled to a free copy of all the books to be released soon.
HBBB email for which there will be no reply [email protected]

 

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[robertk]

I'm sorry to hear of the loss of your partner, and the troubles that have come with it.

Of course I all I have in my PC is copyrighted and anyone using any of it will be investigated by the FBI who is responsible for infringement.

Unless you have filed a copyright application, just having files on your PC will not prove copyright. If you want proof of prior art, print it out and mail it to yourself via certified mail, and don't open it. If you want actual copyright, you've got to file for a copyright application (see copyright.gov). If you've already done all that, then never mind.

 

[rennes]

I'm sorry to hear of the loss of your partner, and the troubles that have come with it.


Unless you have filed a copyright application, just having files on your PC will not prove copyright. If you want proof of prior art, print it out and mail it to yourself via certified mail, and don't open it. If you want actual copyright, you've got to file for a copyright application (see copyright.gov). If you've already done all that, then never mind.

Thank you for your post, but I've been dealing with Copyrights for 40 years. The latest revision to the law was in 1978. that states "anything you create in media is automatically under CR once it is fixed," meaning in the author's or creator's works. All of my books and video productions that are registered copyrights were filed by an attorney. My use of pseudonyms is common but some are under my real name, if you know what it is.
Infringement is so common now with digital media a lot can be gotten away with unless really pursued.. Lots of treasure books and newsletters from now dead authors is being reprinted and sold on Amazon and other book stores. I know the families of many of the older authors and they have won suits for that. The new law is that the CR is valid for 70 years after the owner's death if I am not mistaken. I let the lawyers sort it out. In one case History Channel used some of my photos in a program without permission. That is being looked at now. Note that the treasure topo map I build with a mapping program are easy to prove are mine, alone.
Someone may have a copy but the original file is kept in my safe and has the date I created it. I will prosecute if any of those show up online.
Google the laws.
Thanks for the comment
HBB

 

[RGINN]

Since you've solved all of those, can you post some pics of what you've actually found?

 

[pepperj]

Since you've solved all of those, can you post some pics of what you've actually found?

I'm going to say the pics are on the other computer.
Oh darn it, isn't that always the case.
We get so close, then it just slips away.

 

[rennes]

You can always tell a novice in this hobby, even if they have been trying for years. They are the ones that dress the part to make us think they are kin to Jim Bridger or Kit Carson. The first thing they want is to see treasure found. Well if they are so experienced let them show what they found. It will take most of them awhile to learn the last thing a successful treasure hunter does is tell or show the world what is found unless it's from a shipwreck where the Gm't is involved with permits, inspectors, etc. Even If some fool were to show video of a prize being dug the first thing out of their mouth would be fake, fake!
Serious THers and professionals don't need to brag about finding something. They don't associate with others that have loose tongues either. Just having a reputation for being successful is bad enough. You who demand to see gold, have no idea of how that can endanger your life. Gold attracts evil like a dead horse draws flies.
You can google any name in America and get address, phone, google earth images of their house close up at street level. We live behind a power gate blocking our drive, have sensors and cameras all around our ranch. I sleep with a Glock 17 within a foot of my hand and an AR fully loaded at my headboard. We have two watchdogs that are trained to attack by gesture or word. All of this is just to keep uninvited visitors from coming to our house. Which by the way you can't see if you are not on our property. we have a 500 yard rifle range only 40 steps from the garage door where I practice almost any day I am bored with writing or editing videos.
If you don't know me watch several History and Discovery programs featuring my team treasure hunting. Also check the credits on the Disney Movie, National Treasure 2, Book of Secrets. I was a consultant for that. Also check around a see who hunted with us when I was l younger. I'm two months from being 85 and can't climb mountains or walk miles in the desert now. But I have a team still working on a dozen or more proven treasure sites. Another tidbit for y'all to digest, is I haven't worked a job in over 45 years. All my wife and I have done is treasure hunt until we got too old.
Also I'll throw this in. Why would Mel Fisher choose to work with our good friend and spend time visiting with me here in Arkansas? Why would Roy Roush spend years pumping me for information and then write 3 or 4 books using what he learned from me, which wasn't much. Why would he autograph his last book to me saying, "To Bob Brewer, the man who showed us the way." Same thing goes for more than a few "experts" that were invited to our seminars, and learned very little of our secrets, yet, who got famous by staying on the internet for months bragging about their great successes but have never found a dime in buried loot.
My thinking is, how in the heck does a person have time to post on this forum nearly every day? I spent quite a bit of time here today and I'm sure it's wasted time. . Seldom do I check the forums.
My eyes are bad but mistakes I make are free soooo!
Me giving 1882 sf Double Eagle (value today about $6000) for lawyer fees to help friends arrested for something they didn't do. Keith Wills on left. President of WWATS.
HBBB

 

[rennes]

Since you've solved all of those, can you post some pics of what you've actually found?

Friend it would take a large book to tell how all we have found in working the hoax of the Lost Dutchman, the Peralta Stone maps both of which are legends to mark the area of the LUE treasure. The is a big difference in what is found to solve the biggest mystery in America and digging the caches found. The main and assumed to be the largest of the many caches is on Arizona State Trust land. They don't allow prospecting, mining or wheeled vehicles on the land. The only way to access it is by foot or horseback. The state makes no exceptions an the U.S congress can't even pass a bill allowing any of the hindrances mentioned to change that policy. Even if I were to break the law and walk the several miles to the site I could not dig it without heavy equipment. It took a track hoe to dig out the underground vault where the map to the LUE was found. Also I am practically a one arm man since Vietnam and new surgery again in 1995 failed to make my arm any better. My team members since 1989 to 2024 are all dead. (13) of them.
We always abided by the laws and had many other sites not in AZ to provide us with entertainment. In our long searches for buried loot, we have spent a fortune in travel, lodging, equipment, research and lawyers. Besides i know no matter what was shown as treasure recovered would still have people like you yelling fake, you would probably say the same if you watch us live video a dig.. Some day you will see the proof of our work. I am working hard with media people to document what I say.
As for the so called witch an astute researcher could debunk that identity rather quickly. Start reading old books instead of spending so much trying to goat someone into doing something that will never happen in the USA.
HBBB
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Yes, SHADOW OF THE SENTINEL is already available
Posted by: Philip K. Kromer (ID *****2798)Date: May 30, 2003 at 15:00:48
In Reply to: Jesse James Hideout for sale on E-bay by crolholmes of 26651

"Shadow of the Sentinel: One Man's Quest to Find the Hidden Treasure of the
Confederacy," by Warren Getler and Bob Brewer ( "Hillbilly Bob" Brewer ), has
been available for purchase since April, 2003. It is a hardcover book of 320
pages, with many photos, selling at the price of $23.00 in the U. S. The ISBN is
0743219686.

I have read the book, and I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the
story of the James Gang, K. G. C. buried treasure, treasure-hunting in general,
Orvus Lee Howk and the "Jesse James debate," etc. This is a serious, very
well-done book, which reveals far more about actual James Gang/K. G. C. buried
treasure than anything ever put into print by Orvus Howk or anyone else. Buy and
read this book! It proves that much which has been branded "fantasy," by many,
is in fact quite real.

Below find two slides from my PowerPoint presentation ARIZONA DESERT TREASURES, Thus far never shown to anyone but or team members and carefully vetted media persons. Presentation, of course, copyrighted!

 

[mdog]

Friend it would take a large book to tell how all we have found in working the hoax of the Lost Dutchman, the Peralta Stone maps both of which are legends to mark the area of the LUE treasure. The is a big difference in what is found to solve the biggest mystery in America and digging the caches found. The main and assumed to be the largest of the many caches is on Arizona State Trust land. They don't allow prospecting, mining or wheeled vehicles on the land. The only way to access it is by foot or horseback. The state makes no exceptions an the U.S congress can't even pass a bill allowing any of the hindrances mentioned to change that policy. Even if I were to break the law and walk the several miles to the site I could not dig it without heavy equipment. It took a track hoe to dig out the underground vault where the map to the LUE was found. Also I am practically a one arm man since Vietnam and new surgery again in 1995 failed to make my arm any better. My team members since 1989 to 2024 are all dead. (13) of them.
We always abided by the laws and had many other sites not in AZ to provide us with entertainment. In our long searches for buried loot, we have spent a fortune in travel, lodging, equipment, research and lawyers. Besides i know no matter what was shown as treasure recovered would still have people like you yelling fake, you would probably say the same if you watch us live video a dig.. Some day you will see the proof of our work. I am working hard with media people to document what I say.
As for the so called witch an astute researcher could debunk that identity rather quickly. Start reading old books instead of spending so much trying to goat someone into doing something that will never happen in the USA.
HBBB
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Yes, SHADOW OF THE SENTINEL is already available
Posted by: Philip K. Kromer (ID *****2798)Date: May 30, 2003 at 15:00:48
In Reply to: Jesse James Hideout for sale on E-bay by crolholmes of 26651

"Shadow of the Sentinel: One Man's Quest to Find the Hidden Treasure of the
Confederacy," by Warren Getler and Bob Brewer ( "Hillbilly Bob" Brewer ), has
been available for purchase since April, 2003. It is a hardcover book of 320
pages, with many photos, selling at the price of $23.00 in the U. S. The ISBN is
0743219686.

I have read the book, and I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the
story of the James Gang, K. G. C. buried treasure, treasure-hunting in general,
Orvus Lee Howk and the "Jesse James debate," etc. This is a serious, very
well-done book, which reveals far more about actual James Gang/K. G. C. buried
treasure than anything ever put into print by Orvus Howk or anyone else. Buy and
read this book! It proves that much which has been branded "fantasy," by many,
is in fact quite real.

Below find two slides from my PowerPoint presentation ARIZONA DESERT TREASURES, Thus far never shown to anyone but or team members and carefully vetted media persons. Presentation, of course, copyrighted!

View attachment 2181153View attachment 2181154

Thanks for the post, Bob.

You mentioned a vault where the map to the LUE was found. Was the map you found similar to the map that Karl von Mueller published in his book, Treasure Hunters Manual #7?

 

[mdog]

Friend it would take a large book to tell how all we have found in working the hoax of the Lost Dutchman, the Peralta Stone maps both of which are legends to mark the area of the LUE treasure. The is a big difference in what is found to solve the biggest mystery in America and digging the caches found. The main and assumed to be the largest of the many caches is on Arizona State Trust land. They don't allow prospecting, mining or wheeled vehicles on the land. The only way to access it is by foot or horseback. The state makes no exceptions an the U.S congress can't even pass a bill allowing any of the hindrances mentioned to change that policy. Even if I were to break the law and walk the several miles to the site I could not dig it without heavy equipment. It took a track hoe to dig out the underground vault where the map to the LUE was found. Also I am practically a one arm man since Vietnam and new surgery again in 1995 failed to make my arm any better. My team members since 1989 to 2024 are all dead. (13) of them.
We always abided by the laws and had many other sites not in AZ to provide us with entertainment. In our long searches for buried loot, we have spent a fortune in travel, lodging, equipment, research and lawyers. Besides i know no matter what was shown as treasure recovered would still have people like you yelling fake, you would probably say the same if you watch us live video a dig.. Some day you will see the proof of our work. I am working hard with media people to document what I say.
As for the so called witch an astute researcher could debunk that identity rather quickly. Start reading old books instead of spending so much trying to goat someone into doing something that will never happen in the USA.
HBBB
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Yes, SHADOW OF THE SENTINEL is already available
Posted by: Philip K. Kromer (ID *****2798)Date: May 30, 2003 at 15:00:48
In Reply to: Jesse James Hideout for sale on E-bay by crolholmes of 26651

"Shadow of the Sentinel: One Man's Quest to Find the Hidden Treasure of the
Confederacy," by Warren Getler and Bob Brewer ( "Hillbilly Bob" Brewer ), has
been available for purchase since April, 2003. It is a hardcover book of 320
pages, with many photos, selling at the price of $23.00 in the U. S. The ISBN is
0743219686.

I have read the book, and I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the
story of the James Gang, K. G. C. buried treasure, treasure-hunting in general,
Orvus Lee Howk and the "Jesse James debate," etc. This is a serious, very
well-done book, which reveals far more about actual James Gang/K. G. C. buried
treasure than anything ever put into print by Orvus Howk or anyone else. Buy and
read this book! It proves that much which has been branded "fantasy," by many,
is in fact quite real.

Below find two slides from my PowerPoint presentation ARIZONA DESERT TREASURES, Thus far never shown to anyone but or team members and carefully vetted media persons. Presentation, of course, copyrighted!

View attachment 2181153View attachment 2181154

I've been studying the LUE map for several months and I believe that projective geometry was used to pinpoint treasure legend locations, all over the United States. Two of the important locations are at Smoke Rock Mountain, the place you've searched, and Dalton, Georgia, associated with the Waterhouse treasure legend and several miles north of New Echota, a place that you wrote about in your book, Rebel Gold. Have you ever seen any evidence that these two places may be part of the LUE legend?

 

[rennes]

I was going to get back to writing but got distracted by some other posts here. So I'll answer your question, I hope sufficiently but not entirely. The vault we found was constructed of concrete around the same time the Peralta maps were first mentioned. The vault was 3x5x12 feet. It was said to contain $440,000 in gold, but that was not meant to mean the gold was in the vault but only that clues leading to the gold were there. Any explanation i give of the map we found will sail high over the head of those not knowing how the **** make their maps. I''ll just say the map is made piece meal from many different pieces and parts of bottles, dinner plates, coffee cups, pieces of machinery, broken parts of cast iron tools, train parts, gun parts and you name it, they used everything. To put the map puzzle together is more difficult than any jigsaw you ever worked. It took me a couple of months to finally use all the parts. The many pieces of "JUNK" as characterized by Floyd Mann and Warren Getler, worked with the LUE map printed in Dean Miller's KVM, manual 7 which is part of the LUE topography. Also the "template" we designed from clues found on the ground and an old tracing found in the Amarillo trunk is needed to define the several depositories in the LUE region. I guess that's about all I should say right now. I hate to tell you that many of the most needed clues for this treasure were defaced, destroyed or removed by a person living in AZ,I first went to help with a Jesuit treasure. It has nothing to do with Jesuits.
You will probably have to wait until I'm gone before all the story will be seen. If I don't get my book and video finished I believe this treasure will stay in place until its needed by the ****
Adios,
HBBB

 

[mdog]

I was going to get back to writing but got distracted by some other posts here. So I'll answer your question, I hope sufficiently but not entirely. The vault we found was constructed of concrete around the same time the Peralta maps were first mentioned. The vault was 3x5x12 feet. It was said to contain $440,000 in gold, but that was not meant to mean the gold was in the vault but only that clues leading to the gold were there. Any explanation i give of the map we found will sail high over the head of those not knowing how the **** make their maps. I''ll just say the map is made piece meal from many different pieces and parts of bottles, dinner plates, coffee cups, pieces of machinery, broken parts of cast iron tools, train parts, gun parts and you name it, they used everything. To put the map puzzle together is more difficult than any jigsaw you ever worked. It took me a couple of months to finally use all the parts. The many pieces of "JUNK" as characterized by Floyd Mann and Warren Getler, worked with the LUE map printed in Dean Miller's KVM, manual 7 which is part of the LUE topography. Also the "template" we designed from clues found on the ground and an old tracing found in the Amarillo trunk is needed to define the several depositories in the LUE region. I guess that's about all I should say right now. I hate to tell you that many of the most needed clues for this treasure were defaced, destroyed or removed by a person living in AZ,I first went to help with a Jesuit treasure. It has nothing to do with Jesuits.
You will probably have to wait until I'm gone before all the story will be seen. If I don't get my book and video finished I believe this treasure will stay in place until its needed by the ****
Adios,
HBBB

Thank you for the information, Bob. It sounds like you're busy. I look forward to your posts and I hope to see many more.

 

[RGINN]

Thanks for your post, liked it.

 

[rennes]

I've been studying the LUE map for several months and I believe that projective geometry was used to pinpoint treasure legend locations, all over the United States. Two of the important locations are at Smoke Rock Mountain, the place you've searched, and Dalton, Georgia, associated with the Waterhouse treasure legend and several miles north of New Echota, a place that you wrote about in your book, Rebel Gold. Have you ever seen any evidence that these two places may be part of the LUE legend?

mdog I don't see how you connect Smoke Rock Mt. with the LuE. I grew up a mile from Smoke Rock and know every inch of the mountain and all the others on Brushy Creek to the Cossatot valley. That region is covers a depository where gold has been found in two vaults. I wrote the history of the Smoke Rock Mystery for a historical publication in the late 1980s called the LOOKING GLASS published in Mena, AR. The treasure named the LUE is only in AZ and partly in NM.
The treasure around Dallas. GA and New Echota is there if not recovered. I have made two consulting trips to that area and found many clues to what is around there. It is older than most of the depositories we found this side of the Mississippi river and marked differently. I found none of the newer system of clues and markings there. You must know by now that all of the treasure placed in depositories came after the late 1890s, and most was put down after 1932. It all belongs to a occult secret society which has a name you likely have never heard of.
Today I posted 3 times for is least two months worth.
HBBB

 

[freeman]

You can always tell a novice in this hobby, even if they have been trying for years. They are the ones that dress the part to make us think they are kin to Jim Bridger or Kit Carson. The first thing they want is to see treasure found. Well if they are so experienced let them show what they found. It will take most of them awhile to learn the last thing a successful treasure hunter does is tell or show the world what is found unless it's from a shipwreck where the Gm't is involved with permits, inspectors, etc. Even If some fool were to show video of a prize being dug the first thing out of their mouth would be fake, fake!
Serious THers and professionals don't need to brag about finding something. They don't associate with others that have loose tongues either. Just having a reputation for being successful is bad enough. You who demand to see gold, have no idea of how that can endanger your life. Gold attracts evil like a dead horse draws flies.
You can google any name in America and get address, phone, google earth images of their house close up at street level. We live behind a power gate blocking our drive, have sensors and cameras all around our ranch. I sleep with a Glock 17 within a foot of my hand and an AR fully loaded at my headboard. We have two watchdogs that are trained to attack by gesture or word. All of this is just to keep uninvited visitors from coming to our house. Which by the way you can't see if you are not on our property. we have a 500 yard rifle range only 40 steps from the garage door where I practice almost any day I am bored with writing or editing videos.
If you don't know me watch several History and Discovery programs featuring my team treasure hunting. Also check the credits on the Disney Movie, National Treasure 2, Book of Secrets. I was a consultant for that. Also check around a see who hunted with us when I was l younger. I'm two months from being 85 and can't climb mountains or walk miles in the desert now. But I have a team still working on a dozen or more proven treasure sites. Another tidbit for y'all to digest, is I haven't worked a job in over 45 years. All my wife and I have done is treasure hunt until we got too old.
Also I'll throw this in. Why would Mel Fisher choose to work with our good friend and spend time visiting with me here in Arkansas? Why would Roy Roush spend years pumping me for information and then write 3 or 4 books using what he learned from me, which wasn't much. Why would he autograph his last book to me saying, "To Bob Brewer, the man who showed us the way." Same thing goes for more than a few "experts" that were invited to our seminars, and learned very little of our secrets, yet, who got famous by staying on the internet for months bragging about their great successes but have never found a dime in buried loot.
My thinking is, how in the heck does a person have time to post on this forum nearly every day? I spent quite a bit of time here today and I'm sure it's wasted time. . Seldom do I check the forums.
My eyes are bad but mistakes I make are free soooo!
Me giving 1882 sf Double Eagle (value today about $6000) for lawyer fees to help friends arrested for something they didn't do. Keith Wills on left. President of WWATS.
HBBB

" The first thing they want is to see treasure found."

Umm, that's what the entire goal for 'treasure hunting' is?

Showing your research was not just flights of subjective fancy (like National Treasure 2) and that it was capable of producing an outcome?

 

[freeman]

Friend it would take a large book to tell how all we have found in working the hoax of the Lost Dutchman, the Peralta Stone maps both of which are legends to mark the area of the LUE treasure. The is a big difference in what is found to solve the biggest mystery in America and digging the caches found. The main and assumed to be the largest of the many caches is on Arizona State Trust land. They don't allow prospecting, mining or wheeled vehicles on the land. The only way to access it is by foot or horseback. The state makes no exceptions an the U.S congress can't even pass a bill allowing any of the hindrances mentioned to change that policy. Even if I were to break the law and walk the several miles to the site I could not dig it without heavy equipment. It took a track hoe to dig out the underground vault where the map to the LUE was found. Also I am practically a one arm man since Vietnam and new surgery again in 1995 failed to make my arm any better. My team members since 1989 to 2024 are all dead. (13) of them.
We always abided by the laws and had many other sites not in AZ to provide us with entertainment. In our long searches for buried loot, we have spent a fortune in travel, lodging, equipment, research and lawyers. Besides i know no matter what was shown as treasure recovered would still have people like you yelling fake, you would probably say the same if you watch us live video a dig.. Some day you will see the proof of our work. I am working hard with media people to document what I say.
As for the so called witch an astute researcher could debunk that identity rather quickly. Start reading old books instead of spending so much trying to goat someone into doing something that will never happen in the USA.
HBBB
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Yes, SHADOW OF THE SENTINEL is already available
Posted by: Philip K. Kromer (ID *****2798)Date: May 30, 2003 at 15:00:48
In Reply to: Jesse James Hideout for sale on E-bay by crolholmes of 26651

"Shadow of the Sentinel: One Man's Quest to Find the Hidden Treasure of the
Confederacy," by Warren Getler and Bob Brewer ( "Hillbilly Bob" Brewer ), has
been available for purchase since April, 2003. It is a hardcover book of 320
pages, with many photos, selling at the price of $23.00 in the U. S. The ISBN is
0743219686.

I have read the book, and I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the
story of the James Gang, K. G. C. buried treasure, treasure-hunting in general,
Orvus Lee Howk and the "Jesse James debate," etc. This is a serious, very
well-done book, which reveals far more about actual James Gang/K. G. C. buried
treasure than anything ever put into print by Orvus Howk or anyone else. Buy and
read this book! It proves that much which has been branded "fantasy," by many,
is in fact quite real.

Below find two slides from my PowerPoint presentation ARIZONA DESERT TREASURES, Thus far never shown to anyone but or team members and carefully vetted media persons. Presentation, of course, copyrighted!

View attachment 2181153View attachment 2181154

That, er , Witch, is what is called a flight of subjective fancy. There are infinite amount of shapes that can be drawn from the bare contour template depending on which lines and points you chose to use?

That's why we have Rorschach Tests: you see what you want the shape subjectively means to you but not others.......

What you draw has to objectively exist and these don't.

 

[mdog]

mdog I don't see how you connect Smoke Rock Mt. with the LuE. I grew up a mile from Smoke Rock and know every inch of the mountain and all the others on Brushy Creek to the Cossatot valley. That region is covers a depository where gold has been found in two vaults. I wrote the history of the Smoke Rock Mystery for a historical publication in the late 1980s called the LOOKING GLASS published in Mena, AR. The treasure named the LUE is only in AZ and partly in NM.
The treasure around Dallas. GA and New Echota is there if not recovered. I have made two consulting trips to that area and found many clues to what is around there. It is older than most of the depositories we found this side of the Mississippi river and marked differently. I found none of the newer system of clues and markings there. You must know by now that all of the treasure placed in depositories came after the late 1890s, and most was put down after 1932. It all belongs to a occult secret society which has a name you likely have never heard of.
Today I posted 3 times for is least two months worth.
HBBB

Thanks again Bob for taking the time to write the extra posts.