If you park your foreign car near a park in Michigan, you can find it damaged.

Mike Silver -gold said:
Ten years ago,just before I retired,no foreign cars were allowed to park in our GM parking lot. That was fine none of the guys working there wanted that CRAP anyway. That all changed in the past ten years. I drove by the plant a few weeks ago,loaded with Jap crap. Oh yeah the plant is closeing this December, after about 80 some years. Eat your crap dummys. ;D
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Well there you have it, even GM employee's know what kinda of car is the best value for the buck. That statement above would be a good sales pitch for a Honda or Toyota,,so on..
 

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It is now a global economy and people need to just get used to it or have the world pass you by. Everything is made everywhere now. My relatives used to work in the textile factories making jeans and such until NAFTA sent all the plants south of the border where labor is cheap. Since the jobs were not available anymore they changed professions. Some of them now build Hyundais (no Ford plants in Alabama) or work in Walmart. My point is they didn't go out and slice up jeans made elsewhere. Folks need to grow up already.
 

Guys, can I add my two cents here? I have been on both sides of the pay scale. I was a union member for several years. Writting on the wall says "jobs are getting thin, and plants are closing" So, while all my friends were hunting, fishing and spending time at their cabins in Michigan (those who live in Michigan know what I am talking about. Try driving north on I75 on a Friday, or south on I75 on Sunday). Anyhow, I busted my ass and earned my bachelors degree in Industrial Engineering. I worked for Chrysler as a Manufacturing Engineer and left them in June or 06 and moved to Savannah, Georgia and work as a Manufacturing Engineer for Gulfstream Aerospace Corp.

I was a 3rd generation auto worker and I am the first person in my family to ever get a college degree. I still have family working at the Flint truck and bus plant. My father in law retired from the Grand Blanc metal fab, both my grand fathers and one grandmother retired from the Fisher body plant on Saginaw street. Sister and her husband work for Ford in Dearborn.
You hear union workers blaming management, you hear management blaming the union. I feel they both are at fault. For example, upper management gives out huge bonuses to their top executives during a down sizing, why? well, they say it is to retain experienced management. Fine, but they were there and part of the reason for the down sizing. Now in Japan, when a company is performing poorly, the first to go is upper management. Now, the union was created for a reason. The standard for a worker was terrible, i.e. long hours, work conditions, hard to take time off, very low pay. BUT...........the union has become fat and lazy. They say a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, well a union is only as good as its laziest person. Unions are not all that bad but they need to be part of the solution and weed themselves out of bad employees.
Also, has anyone really sat down and realize that in the last 20 or so years, we have become a more global economy? no really, think about it, it can not hold third world nations to American work standards and any compnay is in the business solely to make money, that is it. Also, EPA standards are more relaxed in smaller countries along with pay scale and benefits.

I still drive American auto manufacturer vehicles, but i have to be honest with you, I am considering a Toyota or Honda for my next car.

I could go on and on and on about the auto industry and unions but I do not think you want to hear it.

I think in order to really save the American auto industry, both the management and union need an overhaul.

It is sad that I have a brother in law who is one of the worlds laziest sorry SOB's on this planet can turn a wrench and make $35/hr, all because his dad and uncle where union officials and got him hired in 10 years ago.

I still think there are signs at the union halls that say if you park a foreign vehicle in the lot, it will be towed. My thing is this, I used to own a 1998 Dodge ram ext cab 4x4, it was made in Mexico but i would be allowed to park in the lot and not be bothered. But, if you parked your Isuzu Hombre there, well get ready to see it towed and why? the Hombre is a Chevy s10, built on the same line or at least it was.


I say, I earn my own money, so I will buy what I want, you do the same and do it knowing I will not to any damage to your vehicle. :)
 

Joe, Farmer, Aero, among others: You have it right.

As for Unions, I had to belong to one a long time ago. They put on a campaign to "BE American, Buy American".. It was fairly successful until someone noticed that the Union propaganda data sheets were printed in Korea??

sheesh.

Incidentally, I always thought that We were a Capitalistic driven Republic, one where open competition gave to the winner the profits. if our auto workers cannot compete, so be it. The rest of us have to. Vote "dissolve NAFTA" for your first step.

I'll stay with Isuzu Troopers, proven by myself to be by far the best for my business. - course I am a bit weak on the big Land Rovers, sigh, but lack the additional $20,000 Us for them in my budget. sniff. Maybe some day?

Incidentally I used to hear a lot of jokes about Jap crap, junk, ridiculous attempts to design real combat ships and aircraft - this was all changed overnight on Dec 7, 1941.

Don Jose de La mancha
 

This Idea that I,m safe I don,t have to work for an auto plant to make a living will catch up with you to. When your out on the street because no has money or buys there goods from China or Japan then you get it. It all rolls down hill. :o Mike.
 

As a 15 year Ford Motor Employee...

I just have this to say..

Example of Honda's Development Process

How a Honda employee bakes a potato:

Preheat new, high-quality oven to 350 F
Insert a 1.0 lb Idaho potato
Go do something productive for 45 minutes
Check for donenessThen remove perfectly baked potato from oven and serve

How a Ford employee bakes a potato:

Conduct market test with suppliers in Mexico, Brazil, and Turkistan
to supply 0.75 lb potatoes Choose lowest cost supplier with best
Wings tickets Change to incumbent supplier of Idaho potatoes, insist
they meet Turkistan pricing with 3% annual price reductions Upgrade
to 1.0 lb potato, insist supplier erred by pricing for 0.75 lbs as
instructed when he knows Honda uses 1.0 lb potatoes Instruct potato supplier to preheat the oven to 350 F demand that the supplier show you how he turned the dial to reach 350 F,
and have him come up with documentation from the oven manufacturer
proving that it was calibrated properly
Review documentation, then have supplier check the temperature using
a sophisticated temperature probe Direct supplier to insert potato and set timer for 45 minutes
Have supplier open oven to prove potato has been installed correctly, and request a free study proving that 45 minutes is the ideal time to bake a potato of this size and variability due to orientation within the oven
Request a Six Sigma Study showing variable cook times for various potato sizes and orientations
Check potato for doneness after 10 minutes
Check potato for doneness after 11 minutes
Check potato for doneness after 12 minutes
Become impatient with supplier (why is this simple potato taking so long to bake?).
Demand status reports every five minutes.
Conduct Value Engineering session and new market test
Change to 0.9 lb potato because customers will only notice if potato weight is reduce to 0.85 lb
Check potato for doneness after 15 minutes...
After 35 minutes, conclude that potato is nearing completion.
Pass through Gateway review reporting all Green status.
Congratulate supplier, then update your boss on all the great work you've done despite having to work with an uncooperative supplier
Remove potato from oven after 40 min. as a cost save without loss of function or quality vs. the original 45 minute baking time
Serve potato
Wonder aloud what on earth those Japanese folks are doing over there to make such good, low-cost baked potatoes that people seem to like better than Ford potatoes


You get the idea!

HH
ZoSo71
 

Re: If you park your foreign car near a park in Michigan, you can find it damage

You know, I really hate the Chevrolet commercials that play the "This is our country" song. BULLSH*T!!! If GM was so freakin patriotic about "this is our office, our playground" and so forth, then keep your jobs to "our" country.

It is funny, when I was a member of the Teamsters, local 332 on Dort HWY in Flint, MI. our membership was steadily declining. It wasn't just at our hall, all across America membership was declining for the Teamsters. Enough so that we went from a union of drivers and warehousemen to now include nurses. Before I left, locall332 had more nurses as members then traditional members and I think it was becoming the first Teamsters hall to have all nurses as elected officials.

I think for the big three to survive, it would take the US government to step in and restrict the amount of imports brought in and the amount of foreign manufacturers to build in the US. The Government would also have to hit the big three hard in the pocket book for importing their vehicles from plants outside the US.

I sure hope the union to work with the manufacturers and be able to keep their jobs, but the best advice I can give anyone in the auto industry right now is get back to school!!!!!!! I have been telling my brother in law this for years and he said he is not worried.......oh well.

It hurts me to think of even considering buying a foreign manufacturer vehicle but I have to consider all my options.

Currently I own, a 2005 Dodge Ram 4x4 Daytona, 2006 Mustang GT and a 2006 Ford F150 ext cab 4x4. Both Fords are leased and they get turned in here in a couple of months, I want to stay with American manufacurers and I am looking at either a Chevy HHR or a Dodge Nitro but ultimately, it will boil down to gas milage and cost and that is pointing to the foreign market.


Don Jose de la Mache said "Incidentally, I always thought that We were a Capitalistic driven Republic, one where open competition gave to the winner the profits. if our auto workers cannot compete, so be it. The rest of us have to. Vote "dissolve NAFTA" for your first step."

You are very, very correct. Do you know right now, there is a push to allow Mexican truck drivers to drive all across the United Stated? Currently, they are only allowed a 25 mile tether. Why do you think the companies are pushing for this? I will tell you, money! the different companies can pay the Mexican driver a lot less and less benefits too then an American driver.

NAFTA is but one tool that is killing the American worker.
 

I think for the big three to survive, it would take the US government to step in and restrict the amount of imports brought in and the amount of foreign manufacturers to build in the US. The Government would also have to hit the big three hard in the pocket book for importing their vehicles from plants outside the US.
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If someone can correct me if I am wrong. Japan/China/Korea put heavy taxes on US cars imported into there countries. I remember reading that somewhere.

I don't see why we can't do the same...

I also read lastnight that Kia is building a Raw Material to Product plant in Ga.
they said it will produce 330,000 cars annually.

On a side note.. My wife drives a KIA van. She bought it because of the safety rating 5 out of 5 stars, With 2 young kids in tow, driving 80 miles a day. I wouldn't have it anyother way.
It is a 2003 model with 81,000 miles to date. She has never spent a dime on any repairs
and they always give her a loaner van while they are doing the work.

She has had a few problems with it.. 2 that I considered major..The Master Cylinder went out with 76,000k miles and they replaced it under warranty as well as new rotors and brakes and wheel cylinders...They replaced the engine at around 65,000k because of oil sludge that was building up inside the engine.

I drive a 1996 Ford Mustang.. It now has 161,000 miles. I have paid to replace the head gaskets twice @ $2,500 per repair at 37,000k miles and another set at 72,000k.
I put in a rebuilt transmission at a huge cost at 46,800k miles.
And had to pay $75.00 for a front-end alignment with only 50 miles on the new car because the tie-rod broke. They covered the repair but not the alignment.

I work for Ford and my wife drives a KIA. I put my Kids safety before my job and my pride.
That is pretty hard to argue over!

Now...Speaking of "American Heritage"...
For many years "Bass Pro Shops & Tracker Marine" have preached there "American Heritage" in their commercials and sportsman catalogs.
But yet they support Toyota Tundra Trucks and advertise them as " Best Trucks Ever" or whatever they say now...I stopped spending money with them a few years back..

Cablea's has always supported American Made Trucks and said they would stand behind all American Automotive Manufacturing Plants through thick and thin.


I'm done for now

HH
ZoSo71
 

Yep, I had always bought American vehicles, and always had a lot of problems with their cars, I now drive a 2004 mazda3s built in japan, just turned 66,000 miles and not a single problem....my last American car a 2002 Ram Air Transam...bought it brand new off the showroom floor.....fast as lightning.....when it worked.....cheap interior,, car kept cutting off, fuel tank leaked, T top leaked....GM finally bought it back as a lemon.....I will never buy another American made car again
 

This is my last post on this subject. My daughter called me a few mounths ago. She said dad Don [my son in law] and I need a new car. We were looking at cars. It doesn,t matter whether we buy American or foreign anymore does it? I said no Nicole it does,nt matter, unless you want your father to disown you. They bought a Chevy. Do what ever you want. As for me and my household we will buy American and be American. ::) Mike.
 

And I'm sure she'll thank you for the next 10 trips to the dealer for repairs and recalls. ;) To insinuate that because people buy foreign cars makes them un-American, is just looking for a fight.
Like I said before, I don't own one, but would consider it, and I assure you my friend, I'm as American as you are.

I'm trying to feel the love here. ;)

Ima
 

Mike I have test drove a couple of Chevy's' prior to 2007 change of warrentee to 100k ? , please post what model they bought thanks


Recalls stopped me from buying a Malibu
 

"Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and Chevrolet" went the advertising jingle. They left out "sumo wrestling, sushi, sake, Isuzu, and Suzuki."


Chevys made in Japan?
In a recent NY Times article about moving the operations of the Rolling Rock brewery from Latrobe, PA, to Newark, NJ, one Latrobe resident remarked, "No offense to New Jersey, but I didn't think it had any mountain springs... and moving it someplace else is like hearing that Chevys will now be made in Japan."

Actually, the Chevrolet LUV pickup was built in Japan by Isuzu and sold in Chevy dealerships from 1972 to 1980. Curious name for a truck, though. "LUV" actually was an acronym for "Light Utility Vehicle."

Think we're making this up? GM documents its "capital alliance" with Isuzu beginning in 1971.

How much did people love their LUVs? Found a few on eBay selling between $1,500 and $3,500.

Chevrolet also sold the Sprint, a very small three-cylinder economy car. Originally introduced in 1984, the Sprint was imported from Suzuki in Japan.

Also to be found on Chevy showroom floors in the 1980s was the Spectrum, a larger subcompact, imported from Isuzu in Japan.

And who can forget Geo, GM's attempt to start a small-car brand from 1990-1997? Offerings included the diminutive Metro (built by Suzuki); the Prizm (based on a Toyota Corolla); the Storm (an Isuzu product), and the Tracker (small Suzuki SUV).

"Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and Chevrolet" went the advertising jingle. They left out "sumo wrestling, sushi, sake, Isuzu, and Suzuki."

We really don't know where anything is made anymore. Why would a good old USA manufacture go out of the US to add to its line up.........
 

Mike Silver -gold said:
This is my last post on this subject. My daughter called me a few mounths ago. She said dad Don [my son in law] and I need a new car. We were looking at cars. It doesn,t matter whether we buy American or foreign anymore does it? I said no Nicole it does,nt matter, unless you want your father to disown you. They bought a Chevy. Do what ever you want. As for me and my household we will buy American and be American. ::) Mike.
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Mike, I understand what you are saying, but to say you would disown a daughter for buying a foreign manufacturer vehicle is asinine. I am getting ready to trade in my 2006 Mustang GT and 2006 Ford F150, am I getting a foreign car? nope, I still can not bring myself to do it. I am getting my wife a 2007 Chevrolet HHR. It will be orange to match my 2005 Dodge ram Daytona which also is orange.

In your avatar, I see what looks like a service uniform, so I will assume you served, I did too, I am a gulf war vet. To say that if I ever do buy a foreign vehicle that I am un American would just be silly.

I wish........... I really wish that we could some how keep our national work force going in this global economy but, this will not happen when we have places like China, Indonesia and malaysia who does not have the same work standards and EPA standards as us. Also, I was talking with my father in law and brother in law and my brother in law said that there was a guy in China who tried to get the union started over there and guess what, the Chinese government arrested him and he is serving a 25 year sentence for trying to organize the union.


Here is a joke for you Mike to make you smile.

There was union official that was attending a union get away in Las Vegas and he decided to visit a brothel. The first brothel he visited he asked the Madam if the house was a union house. She replied "no" and he he promply left. The next house was the same as the first and he was starting to get discouraged. Finally, he found a house where the Madam said joyfully that "yes indeed this is the only union brothel in the whole state of Nevada". As the two were talking, a beautiful redhead walked by and she was young, fit and just what the union guy was looking for. He was pleased and said he really would like the company of that fine young redhead and the Madam said "oh.....I'm sorry, you can not be with Mary tonight, you'll have to settle for Maybelle" and she pointed to a really old lady sitting in a chair. "Why, she must be a hundred years old!" exclaimed the union guy. "Yea, close to it" replied the Madam "but she has 67 years seniority and if I don't give her the work first, then she'll file a grievence". ;D
 

HI again Peeps; Mike, I must add , I have a lil Ford Ranger XLT that is approaching 200,000 miles. Except for a water hose spliting, it has had nothing done to it other than normal servicing.

Yes, I would buy another one for running around town on short trips, but, for serious back road work, I will stick to My proven Isuzu Troopers.

Automobiles to me are strictly a tool, some ere prettier than others, but all are rated as a tool. How well odes it fit my needs?

Don Jose de La Mancha
 

Ok, now this realy is my last reply on this subject. Of course I would never disown my only dear daughter. I just would be very saddened if she bought a foreign car. She knows that my dad and me struggled all our working life in a GM factory. Yes I did get drafted and served in the Army and I,m sure you guys are as American as me. As far as the Isuzu trooper goes our gear and axle plant made the rear end for your truck. I didn,t make the polices at our plant ,I just did what I was told to bring home a paycheck. Last post guys I got detecting to do. :D Mike.
 

[=Mike Silver -. As far as the Isuzu trooper goes our gear and axle plant made the rear end for your truck.
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HI MIke, you did a good job thanks. (it is a limited slip)

donJose de La Mancha
 

I worked for a Chevy dealer for 8 yrs and we used to always look for parts actually made in the USA. Guess what.... I don't recall that we ever found one. They may be assembled in the states but not one part on them is made here!!!!!! You wonder why quality is always so crappy. Now that I'm with Toyota I understand what QUALITY really means. Most parts are made here for distribution here hmmm... interesting concept!!!!! Sorry guys the old Made in USA don't hold water anymore. When I saw Chevy trucks coming from Mexico that did it!!!!!!
Greg
 

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